CICO or Eating Clean?
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I know the term 'clean eating' is an ambiguous term . It means different to different people. When I say I eat clean I mean I try to stay away from refined starch, sugar, unhealthy saturated fats. I rely a lot on cooking my own food at home, eating healthy fats , vegetables, fruits, pulses legumes and protein. Clean Eating is more of a holistic term for me. I was eating a lot of junk before starting out on mfp. So that is my vantage point of saying I eat clean now.
I'd just say I try to eat healthily or focus on homecooked or nutrient dense foods and avoid the whole "clean eating" minefield and the various things people bring to it, but that's just me!
I'm just aware that plenty of foods I think are positive contributions to my diet (like greek yogurt or potatoes or, sure, ice cream) are things that someone out there has decided is "unclean," so really whatever.
I do think trying to eat in a way that promotes health is really helpful to me, including as a strategy to help me make CI<CO and just as a mental motivation.0 -
I know the term 'clean eating' is an ambiguous term . It means different to different people. When I say I eat clean I mean I try to stay away from refined starch, sugar, unhealthy saturated fats. I rely a lot on cooking my own food at home, eating healthy fats , vegetables, fruits, pulses legumes and protein. Clean Eating is more of a holistic term for me. I was eating a lot of junk before starting out on mfp. So that is my vantage point of saying I eat clean now.
What are unhealthy saturated fats?
You stay away from fruit sugar? Or vegetables? If not then how does that sugar differ than a piece of candy?
What's a refined starch?
Documentary on Netflix called "Fed Up" explains the difference between eating a 160 calorie fruit or 160 calories of candy or soda.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/does-the-movie-fed-up-make-sense/0 -
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kmsoucy457 wrote: »kmsoucy457 wrote: »I know the term 'clean eating' is an ambiguous term . It means different to different people. When I say I eat clean I mean I try to stay away from refined starch, sugar, unhealthy saturated fats. I rely a lot on cooking my own food at home, eating healthy fats , vegetables, fruits, pulses legumes and protein. Clean Eating is more of a holistic term for me. I was eating a lot of junk before starting out on mfp. So that is my vantage point of saying I eat clean now.
What are unhealthy saturated fats?
You stay away from fruit sugar? Or vegetables? If not then how does that sugar differ than a piece of candy?
What's a refined starch?
Calm down. I'm pretty sure that all these folks are trying to say is that their definition of "clean" food, which is an entirely subjective term, means food with good micronutrient content. Vesus, say, a cheeseburger from Mickey D's, which hits those macros like a M*****f*****, but will leave you feeling like crap after a while of consuming nothing else. Are micronutrients important to lose weight? No. Are they imperative for a body which is healthy in the long term? Absolutely.
I asked simple questions and you tell me to calm down? Yet you're the one using profanity. Lol. That's cute. Either answer my questions or keep it moving.
Hey man, I'm with you: a fat is a fat, a starch is a starch, etc. I'm just trying to say that you're telling folks that their opinions are wrong. An opinion is an opinion, not a fact, and therefore cannot be wrong except when presented as a fact; near every poster offering an opinion on 'clean eating' has responsibly prefaced said opinion with the fact that it is just that.
But OK I'll play:
^nailed it
Sugar da debil... it's what makes me ****ing swear so much
That spray starch you use to keep shirt collars stiff?
Opinions are opinions and can't be wrong but opinions stated as facts defining foods in general in terms of clean and not clean can most certainly be wrong.
Absolutely correct. Opinions presented as facts are dangerous at worst, but overall posters seem to have done well in this thread to distinguish between the two. Your opinion seems to be that there is no such thing as clean eating by your definition of that term, which is fine, and you certainly must be heard as that point is 50% of this debate; but you present that as a fact. It is an opinion. It's a two-way street. Again, I agree with you completely, food allergies/sensitivities and health conditions notwithstanding. Why are we even fighting?...oh yeah, I started it...
OP - there are some things I do not eat, or eat only rarely because of the way my body reacts to/digests them. I call those foods "dirty", but since that list of food pertains only to me I will not share them with you. I will tell you that my personal list even includes a few fresh vegetables. So if there are foods that your body doesn't like, cut down on them. Otherwise it is indeed pure cico. In my opinion/according to math.0 -
I am new to mfp and this my first post here. I would really like it if anybody could clear my doubt regarding Diet and Nutrition. I have read discussions where it says that only cico matters. We can eat everything in moderation. But I have seen that whenever I do not eat whole grain I feel bloated and gain a pound or two although I stay within my calorie limit. Is this bloating/weight gain temporary? I eat clean and exercise 5-6 days a week. But some days I have to have that mac an cheese or that slice of chocolate cake. I see so many people losing weight on mfp but they are not eating clean. How does it work? I am confused
assuming you have no food allergies or medical condition, food type does not matter for weight loss.
what matters is hitting your calorie target, and making sure that you hit macros/micros.
so eat nutrient dense foods like fish, chicken, rice, vegetables etc; but there is nothing wrong with filling your day in with things you like, like ice cream, cookies, candy, mac and cheese etc….
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YayFoodYayFood wrote: »Complicated question bc I would say both are kind of important .
clean eating is totally unnecessary for everything ….0 -
I know the term 'clean eating' is an ambiguous term . It means different to different people. When I say I eat clean I mean I try to stay away from refined starch, sugar, unhealthy saturated fats. I rely a lot on cooking my own food at home, eating healthy fats , vegetables, fruits, pulses legumes and protein. Clean Eating is more of a holistic term for me. I was eating a lot of junk before starting out on mfp. So that is my vantage point of saying I eat clean now.
What are unhealthy saturated fats?
You stay away from fruit sugar? Or vegetables? If not then how does that sugar differ than a piece of candy?
What's a refined starch?
Documentary on Netflix called "Fed Up" explains the difference between eating a 160 calorie fruit or 160 calories of candy or soda.
LOL …why does this always come up ..
for the millionth time..
160 calories of fruit = 160 calories of candy and or soda from an energy standpoint; however, they are not nutritionally the same.
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thecunninglinguist wrote: »thecunninglinguist wrote: »
you literally cannot deny that quality of foods matters (im not talking specifically about weight loss, which btw, op didnt mention at all in her post)YayFoodYayFood wrote: »Complicated question bc I would say both are kind of important .
Nope.
quality of foods is ambiguous, and therefore means nothing.
Do you mean the difference between industry farmed and organics?
Do you mean the difference between domestic and import?
Do you mean the difference between rotted fruit and fresh?
lulz.
no i mean the difference between a cheeseburger and an apple of course
also industry vs. organic makes a difference (pesticides and whatnot) and rotted fruit vs fresh actually has different calorie content, due to fermenting sugars and other chemical processes. There are actually foods that people regularly eat in other countries that would kill you if they were too ripe
what if I eat a cheeseburger for lunch and an apple for a mid day snack???
does my day implode…?
the correct answer is that what matters is the context of ones overall diet, as we don't consume singular foods in a vacuum….
so if I have eggs, a bagel, whole wheat bread, turkey breast, yogurt, a cheeseburger, an apple, and hit my calorie/macro/micro targets, what does it matter if I had a cheeseburger for dinner?0 -
I do CICO daily and TRY to eat clean but end up just eating more whole foods and less or no processed foods. My choices overall have become much better since starting this over 6 months ago, more educated about nutritional content and saying NO to something that is just not worth it calories or taste wise. I am much more selective and portion conscience with splurge food like desserts and fried things.
You will figure it out on your own through trial and error, realizing what choices you are willing to live with. Good luck to you and safe journey! -Nancy0 -
I know the term 'clean eating' is an ambiguous term . It means different to different people. When I say I eat clean I mean I try to stay away from refined starch, sugar, unhealthy saturated fats. I rely a lot on cooking my own food at home, eating healthy fats , vegetables, fruits, pulses legumes and protein. Clean Eating is more of a holistic term for me. I was eating a lot of junk before starting out on mfp. So that is my vantage point of saying I eat clean now.
What are unhealthy saturated fats?
You stay away from fruit sugar? Or vegetables? If not then how does that sugar differ than a piece of candy?
What's a refined starch?
Documentary on Netflix called "Fed Up" explains the difference between eating a 160 calorie fruit or 160 calories of candy or soda.
LOL …why does this always come up ..
for the millionth time..
160 calories of fruit = 160 calories of candy and or soda from an energy standpoint; however, they are not nutritionally the same.
Some people just don't understand that^
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thecunninglinguist wrote: »
nutrition wise they are equal, but if you believe in the negative effects of pesticides and whatnot they are not the same.
Little to no difference between industry v. organic.thecunninglinguist wrote: »thecunninglinguist wrote: »
you literally cannot deny that quality of foods matters (im not talking specifically about weight loss, which btw, op didnt mention at all in her post)YayFoodYayFood wrote: »Complicated question bc I would say both are kind of important .
Nope.
quality of foods is ambiguous, and therefore means nothing.
Do you mean the difference between industry farmed and organics?
Do you mean the difference between domestic and import?
Do you mean the difference between rotted fruit and fresh?
lulz.
no i mean the difference between a cheeseburger and an apple of course
also industry vs. organic makes a difference (pesticides and whatnot) and rotted fruit vs fresh actually has different calorie content, due to fermenting sugars and other chemical processes. There are actually foods that people regularly eat in other countries that would kill you if they were too ripe
There is a difference between rotted and fresh, however you never clarified what you were saying. So that's not the point you were trying to make.
If I need to up my proteins and fats for the day, eating an apple is a poor choice.
Are you one of those that thinks a little bit of processing magically erases any benefit of a food? Choosing a cheeseburger as an example would indicate that.
im not of of those processed=bad people. looking only at the apple vs. cheeseburger, the apple wins. i get the point about context of diet, but in most cases the apple wins. you can have a cheeseburger and be healthy, i used it as an example because they are a stereotypical american fast food item,.
How does an apple win?
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I do CICO daily and TRY to eat clean but end up just eating more whole foods and less or no processed foods. My choices overall have become much better since starting this over 6 months ago, more educated about nutritional content and saying NO to something that is just not worth it calories or taste wise. I am much more selective and portion conscience with splurge food like desserts and fried things.
You will figure it out on your own through trial and error, realizing what choices you are willing to live with. Good luck to you and safe journey! -Nancy
what are you defining as processed?
I like to eat frozen waffles sometimes, but they are whole grain waffles. So are they bad because processed, or good because whole grains, or something else?0 -
thecunninglinguist wrote: »
are you just asking questions now to try and trip me up?thecunninglinguist wrote: »thecunninglinguist wrote: »
you literally cannot deny that quality of foods matters (im not talking specifically about weight loss, which btw, op didnt mention at all in her post)YayFoodYayFood wrote: »Complicated question bc I would say both are kind of important .
Nope.
quality of foods is ambiguous, and therefore means nothing.
Do you mean the difference between industry farmed and organics?
Do you mean the difference between domestic and import?
Do you mean the difference between rotted fruit and fresh?
lulz.
no i mean the difference between a cheeseburger and an apple of course
also industry vs. organic makes a difference (pesticides and whatnot) and rotted fruit vs fresh actually has different calorie content, due to fermenting sugars and other chemical processes. There are actually foods that people regularly eat in other countries that would kill you if they were too ripe
In what world would you compare a cheeseburger and an apple? That makes absolutely no sense.
And why would a cheeseburger not be clean?
seriously dude, me and you have had this conversation so many times now, we are never going to agree. i know you dont like to compare individual foods. its one example of how the quality of food (by which i mean macro and micronutrient content) would have an impact on overall health.
put it this way; if i had 2 foods that had the same macro breakdown, but one had a better micro profile, which would be better for you?
it would depend on the rest of your day..
if your micros are already filled then the answer is neither ,as you do not get extra credit for extra micros….
why do we only have to view two foods in the context of an overall daily diet where many foods are being consumed….??0 -
I am new to mfp and this my first post here. I would really like it if anybody could clear my doubt regarding Diet and Nutrition. I have read discussions where it says that only cico matters. We can eat everything in moderation. But I have seen that whenever I do not eat whole grain I feel bloated and gain a pound or two although I stay within my calorie limit. Is this bloating/weight gain temporary? I eat clean and exercise 5-6 days a week. But some days I have to have that mac an cheese or that slice of chocolate cake. I see so many people losing weight on mfp but they are not eating clean. How does it work? I am confused
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1) It's not CICO *or* Clean Eating. To think that way speaks to a misunderstanding of the issue. CICO exists mostly outside of nutrition choices. Technically different macros have varying TEFs, but the differences are small and that's a relatively insignificant part of weight loss. If we find ourselves choosing to eat chicken breast instead of twinkies in lieu of going for a walk, then something has gone wrong. If you want to eat chicken breast instead of twinkies because you need more protein for other reasons, great...but don't skip the walk.
2) Don't over think this. We don't get bonus weight loss or health points for getting in more of nutrients than are required. As for what makes you "feel" better or worse after you eat it, that's all you. No one, apart from perhaps your physician, should probably help with that.
There seems to be a big industry around convincing people that certain things are "unhealthy" for them. Everything has an LD50. It's all about context and dosage. If you don't feel good after you eat something, then don't eat it. Someone else might not have a problem with it, and that's pretty normal.
Set reasonable calorie and macro goals. Measure/weigh and log your intake with honesty and consistency. Make adjustments over time...as in weeks. Be patient. Win. Sometimes it sucks, I know.0 -
thecunninglinguist wrote: »
nutrition wise they are equal, but if you believe in the negative effects of pesticides and whatnot they are not the same.
Little to no difference between industry v. organic.thecunninglinguist wrote: »thecunninglinguist wrote: »
you literally cannot deny that quality of foods matters (im not talking specifically about weight loss, which btw, op didnt mention at all in her post)YayFoodYayFood wrote: »Complicated question bc I would say both are kind of important .
Nope.
quality of foods is ambiguous, and therefore means nothing.
Do you mean the difference between industry farmed and organics?
Do you mean the difference between domestic and import?
Do you mean the difference between rotted fruit and fresh?
lulz.
no i mean the difference between a cheeseburger and an apple of course
also industry vs. organic makes a difference (pesticides and whatnot) and rotted fruit vs fresh actually has different calorie content, due to fermenting sugars and other chemical processes. There are actually foods that people regularly eat in other countries that would kill you if they were too ripe
There is a difference between rotted and fresh, however you never clarified what you were saying. So that's not the point you were trying to make.
If I need to up my proteins and fats for the day, eating an apple is a poor choice.
Are you one of those that thinks a little bit of processing magically erases any benefit of a food? Choosing a cheeseburger as an example would indicate that.
im not of of those processed=bad people. looking only at the apple vs. cheeseburger, the apple wins.
Why on earth? Why would you pick between them anyway?
Like for breakfast I had (among other things) half a pear and an omelet. Based on your comment above, you think I should have chosen between the pear and the omelet and that the pear would win (because fat and protein are bad or something? because more calories? I dunno). Seems to me that both are really complementary. Fruit has some nice carbs (sugar!) including fiber and some nutrients, a cheeseburger has some protein and various other nutrients and, assuming a whole wheat bun, possibly even some fiber. Plus, it's more filling.
Not that it really matters, but, for the record, I get my ground beef from a local farm, same with my eggs. I also usually don't eat the bun since I don't think it's worth the calories, I prefer eating it with some potatoes. But my lack of interest in most bread is just a weird quirk and not something I think is particularly health-promoting.0 -
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LORDY. I hope that the OP got useful information to help her achieve her goals before the usual Thread-Destroyer posse showed up to derail the whole topic.0
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thecunninglinguist wrote: »thecunninglinguist wrote: »
are you just asking questions now to try and trip me up?thecunninglinguist wrote: »thecunninglinguist wrote: »
you literally cannot deny that quality of foods matters (im not talking specifically about weight loss, which btw, op didnt mention at all in her post)YayFoodYayFood wrote: »Complicated question bc I would say both are kind of important .
Nope.
quality of foods is ambiguous, and therefore means nothing.
Do you mean the difference between industry farmed and organics?
Do you mean the difference between domestic and import?
Do you mean the difference between rotted fruit and fresh?
lulz.
no i mean the difference between a cheeseburger and an apple of course
also industry vs. organic makes a difference (pesticides and whatnot) and rotted fruit vs fresh actually has different calorie content, due to fermenting sugars and other chemical processes. There are actually foods that people regularly eat in other countries that would kill you if they were too ripe
In what world would you compare a cheeseburger and an apple? That makes absolutely no sense.
And why would a cheeseburger not be clean?
seriously dude, me and you have had this conversation so many times now, we are never going to agree. i know you dont like to compare individual foods. its one example of how the quality of food (by which i mean macro and micronutrient content) would have an impact on overall health.
put it this way; if i had 2 foods that had the same macro breakdown, but one had a better micro profile, which would be better for you?
it would depend on the rest of your day..
if your micros are already filled then the answer is neither ,as you do not get extra credit for extra micros….
why do we only have to view two foods in the context of an overall daily diet where many foods are being consumed….??
because its the best way to make an example of one healthy food choice. what if someone doesnt track macros? how would they make a healthy choice for a snack, or a meal?
look, i get the context of diet story. you literally cannot mention a single food here without it being pounded into your skull. but HEALTHY foods and UNHEALTHY foods exist. one of one or the other doesnt make or break a diet, but it contributes
sorry, but it is a ridiculous argument, because no one food is consumed in a vacuum and you would have to know the whole diet to analyze the next choice.
Ok, please list some of the unhealthy and healthy foods and explain why they are unhealthy or healthy ...0
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