Mother shamed for sending her child to school with oreos
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To each their own. As I said, I'm being judgy. I personally don't consider it a healthy lunch for a toddler. I've always made my kid's lunch past nursery school and would not put cookies in there for lunch. That is not to say she doesn't have treats, but lunch is usually a veggie sandwich or salad with plenty of protein (she's a vegetarian), veggie sides (carrots sticks or something), a piece of fruit, water, and a container of yogurt.0 -
ok, but some kids are skinny, and barely eat the lunch they are packed/provided. Giving them milk/juice/ a cookie can be helpful for those kids. (like my kid)0
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entropypsycho wrote: »lisafrancis888 wrote: »Whilst no one should shame a parent we should as a society start to see the growing problem of children's health.
For me an Oreo or cake or chocolate bar should be a treat for a child not an everyday normal part of lunch.
If all schools agreed to the same there should be no issues. Children will do what the grown ups tell them to. If the teacher says no sweet things and all the parents abide by it children will eat the sandwich or whatever they are given.
I actually wish only water was drunk at school not fruit juices.
We have to get tougher for the sake of our children.
As a parent we should not run out of a piece of fruit or a carrot.
The parents who put Oreos etc into their children's lunch packs are making it hard for every other parent to try and make healthy lunches as children will always complain they haven't got it. That's why I wish schools would ban sugary foods completely.
Seriously good points. They should be treats, not every day part of a meal
Well, if that's how you feel then don't give your child(ren) those kind of treats every day. If you want your child(ren) to have only water, by all means, only give them water. Unless there was a rule in place regarding which foods were not allowed to be packed in lunches which the parent saw and signed off on prior to sending the cookies, the school had no right to not give the cookies to the girl.
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This is a private school. Maybe it's part of their rules? If she doesn't like them, maybe send the child to a public school?
It may be a private school, but some of the students appear to be enrolled in the public school system? The article I linked said the public school system provides funds for some children to attend the preschool, which leads me to believe that the kids are enrolled in public school, but attend this school due to overflow/location/etc. I know when I was living in NC that the Head Start program was public, but was also held at private locations in addition to the public schools to keep up with the demand.
ETA: "Pearson says Natalee attends the private Children's Academy as a public school student under the state's preschool option program."
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/04/colorado-mom-chastised-by-school-for-packing-oreo-cookies-in-daughter-s-lunch-113596.html0 -
This is a private school. Maybe it's part of their rules? If she doesn't like them, maybe send the child to a public school?
It may be a private school, but some of the students appear to be enrolled in the public school system? The article I linked said the public school system provides funds for some children to attend the preschool, which leads me to believe that the kids are enrolled in public school, but attend this school due to overflow/location/etc. I know when I was living in NC that the Head Start program was public, but was also held at private locations in addition to the public schools to keep up with the demand.
I wondered because I couldn't find anything regarding that fact. I went directly to the Academy web site because I was curious but don't see anything regarding their lunchtime rules. I don't know. I always wonder if people just get their panties in a twist because they don't like rules being applied to them or their kids.
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Darn it, I just wrote a good post and accidentally deleted it
I am surprised by the vitriol this is causing. On one hand society is rightfully concerned about the childhood obesity epidemic, yet people are freaking out over a school enforcing its rules on healthy meals at the school (whatever their definition of healthy is, we all agree there are many definitions).
Whether or not the child has veggies and water at other meals is not the school's concern. The teachers are not about to poll the parents on what they are feeding kids outside of school hours to ensure they're getting a balanced diet. They have enacted rules that they see as protecting the student body as a whole. The expectation that teachers consider each student's diet individually is ridiculous. Presumably, the parents were made aware of the rule at the beginning of the school year. If they need a reminder every once in a while, oh well. Move on.
Schools have food rules to protect kids with allergies and parents seem to have no issue abiding by those rules. Sure I grumble that I can't send my child with peanut butter, which is one of his three food groups, but I completely understand the rationale. If I don't like the rules I can find another school or home-school.0 -
This is a private school. Maybe it's part of their rules? If she doesn't like them, maybe send the child to a public school?
It may be a private school, but some of the students appear to be enrolled in the public school system? The article I linked said the public school system provides funds for some children to attend the preschool, which leads me to believe that the kids are enrolled in public school, but attend this school due to overflow/location/etc. I know when I was living in NC that the Head Start program was public, but was also held at private locations in addition to the public schools to keep up with the demand.
I wondered because I couldn't find anything regarding that fact. I went directly to the Academy web site because I was curious but don't see anything regarding their lunchtime rules. I don't know. I always wonder if people just get their panties in a twist because they don't like rules being applied to them or their kids.
I edited, apparently she is a public school student but attends the private school as part of the state's preschool option program. I've seen quotes from the public school system about the matter, so I think they may be the ones implementing the policy, not the school itself.0 -
I'm not buying the whole "it's a private school so their rules" type of argument. If a private school has rules then parents should be notified about them ahead of time before they enroll their kids. I seriously doubt this private school had made the parent aware of the "no oreos" policy ahead of time.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with a sandwich, a piece of cheese, and a pack of oreo cookies. It's not like all the parent gave her child was candy for lunch.
Let the kids live and be kids and enjoy being kids. You know what's "unhealthy"? Giving a kid nothing but a box of celery sticks for lunch while their peers have more balanced things to eat.0 -
entropypsycho wrote: »@3bambi3 It's the ingredients. Check 'em out sometime. You'd be surprised what is in it that are chemicals, additives, dyes, whatever. I'm talking about the things your body can't use or doesn't easily break down. To clarify, just because you can eat it, does not make it food. I hope this cleared up what I meant by that. There is a book you can check out that can explain this in depth! "If It's Not Food...Don't Eat It!" Check it out!
http://www.amazon.com/its-Food-Dont-Eating-Health/dp/097656680X
Not a chance. The woman who wrote that book seems to have zero qualifications to be giving out nutritional advice. She is a "certified nutritional consultant" whatever that means. And her previous career was as a chiropractic assistant.
And yes, I know what's in oreos. Fat, carbs, and a little bit of protein. Along with fiber, sugar, calcium and potassium. Please, tell me which chemicals in oreos your body "can't use" and what happens to these chemicals when you eat them. Also, fiber isn't easily broken down by the body, does that mean it isn't "food" and we shouldn't eat it?0 -
entropypsycho wrote: »@3bambi3 It's the ingredients. Check 'em out sometime. You'd be surprised what is in it that are chemicals, additives, dyes, whatever. I'm talking about the things your body can't use or doesn't easily break down. To clarify, just because you can eat it, does not make it food. I hope this cleared up what I meant by that. There is a book you can check out that can explain this in depth! "If It's Not Food...Don't Eat It!" Check it out!
http://www.amazon.com/its-Food-Dont-Eating-Health/dp/097656680X
Not a chance. The woman who wrote that book seems to have zero qualifications to be giving out nutritional advice. She is a "certified nutritional consultant" whatever that means. And her previous career was as a chiropractic assistant.
And yes, I know what's in oreos. Fat, carbs, and a little bit of protein. Along with fiber, sugar, calcium and potassium. Please, tell me which chemicals in oreos your body "can't use" and what happens to these chemicals when you eat them. Also, fiber isn't easily broken down by the body, does that mean it isn't "food" and we shouldn't eat it?
Oreos are junk food. Nothing wrong with it in moderation. Me, I'd rather bake my own cookies where I control what goes in it than eat that crap. But again, to each their own.0 -
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/preschooler-gets-note-about-cookies-in-her-lunch
Who says a small snack of Oreo's is so unhealthy as part of a balanced lunch that included a sandwich and string cheese. Are we taking nutrition in schools too far?
Yes. We are taking it way too far.0 -
entropypsycho wrote: »@3bambi3 It's the ingredients. Check 'em out sometime. You'd be surprised what is in it that are chemicals, additives, dyes, whatever. I'm talking about the things your body can't use or doesn't easily break down. To clarify, just because you can eat it, does not make it food. I hope this cleared up what I meant by that. There is a book you can check out that can explain this in depth! "If It's Not Food...Don't Eat It!" Check it out!
http://www.amazon.com/its-Food-Dont-Eating-Health/dp/097656680X
Not a chance. The woman who wrote that book seems to have zero qualifications to be giving out nutritional advice. She is a "certified nutritional consultant" whatever that means. And her previous career was as a chiropractic assistant.
And yes, I know what's in oreos. Fat, carbs, and a little bit of protein. Along with fiber, sugar, calcium and potassium. Please, tell me which chemicals in oreos your body "can't use" and what happens to these chemicals when you eat them. Also, fiber isn't easily broken down by the body, does that mean it isn't "food" and we shouldn't eat it?
Oreos are junk food. Nothing wrong with it in moderation. Me, I'd rather bake my own cookies where I control what goes in it than eat that crap. But again, to each their own.
A few Oreos with lunch would be moderation.0 -
This is a private school. Maybe it's part of their rules? If she doesn't like them, maybe send the child to a public school?
It may be a private school, but some of the students appear to be enrolled in the public school system? The article I linked said the public school system provides funds for some children to attend the preschool, which leads me to believe that the kids are enrolled in public school, but attend this school due to overflow/location/etc. I know when I was living in NC that the Head Start program was public, but was also held at private locations in addition to the public schools to keep up with the demand.
I wondered because I couldn't find anything regarding that fact. I went directly to the Academy web site because I was curious but don't see anything regarding their lunchtime rules. I don't know. I always wonder if people just get their panties in a twist because they don't like rules being applied to them or their kids.
I edited, apparently she is a public school student but attends the private school as part of the state's preschool option program. I've seen quotes from the public school system about the matter, so I think they may be the ones implementing the policy, not the school itself.
A note home is not shaming or berating or anything else. It is a reminder of the rules. The note is poorly written, but if those are the rules, then those are the rules. I'm sure a list of rules were provided at the beginning of the school year. My DD is in public school and they have similar rules about snacks and less strict rules for lunches, but they still have rules. If a child brings an unacceptable snack, say fruit snacks, they are not allowed to eat their snack but the teacher usually has alternatives to offer the child. This is for snack time. If a child brings a soda with their lunch, they are not allowed to consume it as it is against the rules.
Maybe this girl tried to eat the Oreos for the snack or maybe they really police the lunchroom this much, but if cookies are against the rules for snacks/lunches, then all students must be expected to abide by the rules. It is completely not fair to the other students for the school to allow one student to break the rules and not the others. If little Janie gets to eat Oreos today, then little Jonny and Jimmy will have them tomorrow and when does it stop? The child still had plenty of food to eat, it's not as if they were her entire lunch. Her mom made a poor decision and probably full well knew the rules and now she's getting her 15 minutes of fame over what should be a non-issue. If everyone who cried foul would stop getting media attention, you'd probably see a lot fewer people crying foul over ridiculousness.0 -
I would have flexed, asked whoever gave the note to give me 10 burpees with good form and if they couldn't do it, I'd tell her my DD can do it easily, along with 10 real pushups while eating Oreos. What kids eat for a snack doesn't impact THE WHOLE DAY of whatever other meals they are eating.
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entropypsycho wrote: »http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/preschooler-gets-note-about-cookies-in-her-lunch
Who says a small snack of Oreo's is so unhealthy as part of a balanced lunch that included a sandwich and string cheese. Are we taking nutrition in schools too far?
Okay this made me laugh out loud.0 -
My kids frequently pack lunch and while they are no longer pre-schoolers, typically it consists of sandwich, yogurt or cheese, fruit, veg and one of: cookies(no more than 2)/granola bar/pretzels/trail mix.
Heck, my 12yo son packed all that, plus two slices of leftover pizza the other day, lol.
ETA: The poor kid is 5'8" and maybe 100lbs. I honestly would let him eat pretty much ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING at this point.0 -
Well I'm going to be judgy here and agree that it wasn't a healthy lunch, especially for a toddler. Not instilling good nutrition habits (and mom is obviously overweight) and dealing with toddlers after sugar rush ....not fun. But is it for the school to scold the parent...no.
My daughter takes a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, 2 Oreos, fruit snacks, carrots and ranch dressing, and two juice boxes everyday and some goldfish. Today I threw in a waffle from breakfast also. If only I would have had a McDonald's syrup package. ......
She will not eat the school lunches. Nasty.
Eta she's 11. One level away from being in competitive gymnastics. In public school.0 -
This is a private school. Maybe it's part of their rules? If she doesn't like them, maybe send the child to a public school?
They were talking about this one the radio this morning and said it was a public school? ETA: just found another article and it sounds like the school IS part of the public school system- http://abc7.com/family/preschooler-not-allowed-to-eat-oreos-at-school/686900/ "A spokesperson for Aurora Public Schools said it's not typical for notes such as Pearson's to go home to parents."
When I heard this on the radio I actually snorted-the only choice for hot lunch today at my kid's public school (no cold lunch option), is Little Caeser's pizza.
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I think people should be more concerned that the adults teaching your children can't seem to put together a note that makes any kind of logical sense. That would worry me more than an oreo.0
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Total overreaction. I frankly think that unless a kid being fed from home is showing signs of malnourishment or severe obesity (and no, I do not mean general chub), the school needs to butt out.0
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+1ginny92802 wrote: »I think people should be more concerned that the adults teaching your children can't seem to put together a note that makes any kind of logical sense. That would worry me more than an oreo.
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This type of thing (without the note home) has happened to my kids at school. Even Lunchables have a small chocolate or something inside of them, which the kids are told they can not eat. It very much so bothers me because I agree that everything is ok in moderation. Especially for small children who tend to be very active. If anything, this policy teaches children to sneak and to hide... because if they are told they can not have something they really want, they most likely are going to eat it anyway... behind the teacher/lunchperson/principals' back.
Of course, having a lunch consisting of ONLY junk food would be wrong in my opinion, but this situation, that was not the case.0 -
Instead of debating the health merits of Oreos, why not address the fact that this woman chose not to follow the rules and now she's a media sl sensation. I'm sorry, she and her daughter are not special and don't get to do whatever they want. My first thought when I saw the article on Facebook this morning? My DD would be sent home to change if she wore a tank top like that little girl. Would that be body shaming? No, that would be expecting her to follow the school's dress code. No different.0
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didn't sound like there were any vegetables or fruit and no no for the oreos.
You better be careful. You'll get bashed the same as the mom did, but those who bash you will be "justified???". It seems many people on this site think there aren't more healthy options. But what amazes me is that most people are on this site due to bad dietary habits learned from childhood.
I agree that it isn't the school's right to "bash" a parent but it isn't anyone else's right to bash you for yours. And assuming this child "might" have had fruits and vegetables at another meal is just silly. Considering mom's physical condition, it's highly unlikely.
They imply that the dietary rules were in place at the school. As another poster said, if you don't like it, talk about it or go to another school.
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Instead of debating the health merits of Oreos, why not address the fact that this woman chose not to follow the rules and now she's a media sl sensation. I'm sorry, she and her daughter are not special and don't get to do whatever they want. My first thought when I saw the article on Facebook this morning? My DD would be sent home to change if she wore a tank top like that little girl. Would that be body shaming? No, that would be expecting her to follow the school's dress code. No different.
I'm not saying the mother shouldn't abide by the rules, but the rules seem stupid and arbitrary. If you eat potatoes you have to eat bread with it. What? I haven't seen in the article (the one that I read) that the parents were given a food exclusion or inclusion list. Did they get one?0 -
AnotherXFitGuy wrote: »didn't sound like there were any vegetables or fruit and no no for the oreos.
You better be careful. You'll get bashed the same as the mom did, but those who bash you will be "justified???". It seems many people on this site think there aren't more healthy options. But what amazes me is that most people are on this site due to bad dietary habits learned from childhood.
I agree that it isn't the school's right to "bash" a parent but it isn't anyone else's right to bash you for yours. And assuming this child "might" have had fruits and vegetables at another meal is just silly. Considering mom's physical condition, it's highly unlikely.
They imply that the dietary rules were in place at the school. As another poster said, if you don't like it, talk about it or go to another school.
As a previous poster state, one article said that the mother had run out of fruit and veg and that's why she sent oreos.
Also, the assumption that the mother is overweight and therefore it is "highly unlikely" that she feeds her child fruits and veg is ridiculous and offensive.0 -
ginny92802 wrote: »I think people should be more concerned that the adults teaching your children can't seem to put together a note that makes any kind of logical sense. That would worry me more than an oreo.
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This should be titled: Mother was politely informed of private school policy.
I don't agree with the policy because I don't think an occasional cookie is unhealthy. However, they have a right to set the policy and this is not shaming.0 -
Personally, I agree. I have 3 kids. I see the way my 5 and 3 year olds react to things like Oreos. I wouldn't want to teach a class of 30 kids who had just eaten that. Plus, do they need a sandwich, cheese and cookies? My son took packed lunch last year and had a sandwich and a yogurt, and he generally couldn't finish it, and he's a tall, active boy.
I'm glad we have a healthy schools policy in England.0
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