The joys of office broscience - misguided food/nutrition advice
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jeffkennedymembermensaorg wrote: »stevencloser wrote:1 Calorie to heat 1 liter of water by 1 degree Celsius
Almost... a kilocalorie (kcal) would heat 1 liter of water by 1 degree C.
(And yes, some people use Calorie for kcal, but most people don't understand that.)
A calorie (cal) would heat 1 milliliter the same amount.
Here's a calc I just did the other day . . .
Yes, we all know that 1 calorie will heat 1 mL of water 1 degree C. But convert that to dietary terms, and it quite interesting that approximately:
1 kcal (or 1 Calorie, or 1 food Calorie) will heat 1 fluid ounce of water from 32F to 98F.
Therefore, you burn 1 Calorie for every fluid ounce of ice water you drink (because your body expends energy raising the temperature of that water). I'm not saying anybody's getting skinny by drinking 5 gallons of ice water instead of going for a run. But every bit counts, right?
I thought it's rather that your body transfers its own heat to the water because of heat transfer, and uses energy to get itself back to body temperature.
Same thing in the end but your body isn't actively trying to heat up the water.0 -
AngInCanada wrote: »A lady I know won't buy any more fresh farm eggs from us because most of them are double yolkers. Double yolkers are bad because they have double the cholesterol and so they are bad eggs. She had to throw away half of the eggs last time. Seriously....that's what she told me.
They're the best ones!
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sobriquet01 wrote: »Oh! Oh! I have stories for you!
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Oh, but she had no clue that World War 2 happened. Or world war one, for that matter. Or the Holocaust. Never heard of Hitler.
She was a hoot.
That hurts my soul.
(I love how southerners use "bless her heart" rather than a more ... direct term. Lol)
I'm from Alabama and now live in Florida (which is geographically more Southern but culturally not so) and was having a conversation with this lady from Georgia, and when referencing another person, I said "Bless that babies heart." And she simply nodded. We both knew what we meant, but this other guy, (Not Southern) chimed in, "I thought you hated her? Why are you blessing her?" And we both giggled. Bless her heart is almost NEVER a positive thing, and it's kind of awesome when you can say it, and others have no clue what you truly mean.
And yeah, she hurt my soul also. I work in the snack bar of a indoor amusement park, and our POS systems have labeled buttons you press for items (I.e. "Soda" "Pizza"), and it tells you the total. You then press the total they give you, and it tells you the change to give them. The same girl would manage to get to the part where it told you what the change should be, (An example of this happening is total was 2.15, girl was given a 5$, and change would have been 2.85$) and she would look at the bill, look at me, then throw the bill down and walk away, proclaiming that she couldn't do it. She would give people 8 dimes and a nickel, instead of 3 quarters and a dime, because she honestly didn't know how to count quarters. I could go on for DAYS about her silliness.
It took me a few years of living in Alabama before I figured this one out. I'm a Yankee living in Dixie.
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She should have sent them to my house. A hawk got my mom's chickens so no more fresh eggsAngInCanada wrote: »A lady I know won't buy any more fresh farm eggs from us because most of them are double yolkers. Double yolkers are bad because they have double the cholesterol and so they are bad eggs. She had to throw away half of the eggs last time. Seriously....that's what she told me.
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AngInCanada wrote: »A lady I know won't buy any more fresh farm eggs from us because most of them are double yolkers. Double yolkers are bad because they have double the cholesterol and so they are bad eggs. She had to throw away half of the eggs last time. Seriously....that's what she told me.
If you were in my neck of the woods I would constantly buy eggs from you. I love yolks so much.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »So not to be argumentative, but I think it's interesting that people seem to be thinking that we should EAT our sign (i.e., Pisces eats fish, Taurus eats beef). As a Sagittarius, I'm not really into this idea (although I guess it goes back to how as a Type B I should be drinking the kumis), but my initial assumption was that we would eat as our sign would eat.
Not that that helps me a lot! ;-)
How can I get a conclusive answer on this very important question?
I am wholeheartedly against this idea.
Because I'm a Libra, and scales don't eat anything. But, if Libras can eat all of the food that we weigh on scales ... I'm sooo in.0 -
nicsflyingcircus wrote: »Angelfire365 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Lots of people eliminate carbs; that doesn't qualify as "broscience".
As my mother would say, "If your friends jumped off the High Level bridge, would you do it too?" Just because it's popular right now does not mean it's good science. Or even good. We have three macro-nutrients and many, many micro-nutrients. I won't find many people who would argue over the necessity of a micro-nutrient, say, Vitamin D. So why do people think that the answer to their diet woes is to eliminate an entire macro-nutrient?
Besides, chances are they'll get it wrong. They'll cut breads and pastas but keep eating yams and fruit. And wonder why their carb numbers are still so high.
When I was diabetic, a well-meaning bunkmate at a women's retreat brought me a big bag of "sugar free" candies. I took one look at the nutrition label and rejected them. First ingredient? Glucose. Her nose was seriously out of joint. Oh well. I wasn't going to flake out on a sugar high just so she wouldn't be offended in her ignorance.
Edmonton Proud!!! Well, Leduc proud, but close enough right?
Fort Saskatchewan, baby!
I was born in The Fort! :-D0 -
Angelfire365 wrote: »nicsflyingcircus wrote: »Angelfire365 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Lots of people eliminate carbs; that doesn't qualify as "broscience".
As my mother would say, "If your friends jumped off the High Level bridge, would you do it too?" Just because it's popular right now does not mean it's good science. Or even good. We have three macro-nutrients and many, many micro-nutrients. I won't find many people who would argue over the necessity of a micro-nutrient, say, Vitamin D. So why do people think that the answer to their diet woes is to eliminate an entire macro-nutrient?
Besides, chances are they'll get it wrong. They'll cut breads and pastas but keep eating yams and fruit. And wonder why their carb numbers are still so high.
When I was diabetic, a well-meaning bunkmate at a women's retreat brought me a big bag of "sugar free" candies. I took one look at the nutrition label and rejected them. First ingredient? Glucose. Her nose was seriously out of joint. Oh well. I wasn't going to flake out on a sugar high just so she wouldn't be offended in her ignorance.
Edmonton Proud!!! Well, Leduc proud, but close enough right?
Fort Saskatchewan, baby!
I was born in The Fort! :-D
I wasn't, but lived there from age 5 to 20. Attended the ooooold school downtown that they tore down to build the freakin' Safeway. Then Rudolph Hennig. *grins*
Btw, I am 35 now, have lived in the US for 15 years and Alabama for almost 12 and I still refer to it as "The Fort".
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stevencloser wrote: »jeffkennedymembermensaorg wrote: »stevencloser wrote:1 Calorie to heat 1 liter of water by 1 degree Celsius
Almost... a kilocalorie (kcal) would heat 1 liter of water by 1 degree C.
(And yes, some people use Calorie for kcal, but most people don't understand that.)
A calorie (cal) would heat 1 milliliter the same amount.
Here's a calc I just did the other day . . .
Yes, we all know that 1 calorie will heat 1 mL of water 1 degree C. But convert that to dietary terms, and it quite interesting that approximately:
1 kcal (or 1 Calorie, or 1 food Calorie) will heat 1 fluid ounce of water from 32F to 98F.
Therefore, you burn 1 Calorie for every fluid ounce of ice water you drink (because your body expends energy raising the temperature of that water). I'm not saying anybody's getting skinny by drinking 5 gallons of ice water instead of going for a run. But every bit counts, right?
I thought it's rather that your body transfers its own heat to the water because of heat transfer, and uses energy to get itself back to body temperature.
Same thing in the end but your body isn't actively trying to heat up the water.
Okay - I suppose that's true. In the end, it's all thermodynamics, and the Universe just trying to get to the state of highest entropy.0 -
She should have sent them to my house. A hawk got my mom's chickens so no more fresh eggsAngInCanada wrote: »A lady I know won't buy any more fresh farm eggs from us because most of them are double yolkers. Double yolkers are bad because they have double the cholesterol and so they are bad eggs. She had to throw away half of the eggs last time. Seriously....that's what she told me.
Birds eat birds?????
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Now I'm in it for all the Albertans. *waves to: Leduc, Fort Saskatchewan, Red Deer, and Calgary. I hope I didn't miss anyone, eh.0
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YEAH, don't you remember Foghorn Leghorn and the chicken hawk on Bugs Bunny. Except the real chicken hawks are bigger and can kill a chicken.
She should have sent them to my house. A hawk got my mom's chickens so no more fresh eggsAngInCanada wrote: »A lady I know won't buy any more fresh farm eggs from us because most of them are double yolkers. Double yolkers are bad because they have double the cholesterol and so they are bad eggs. She had to throw away half of the eggs last time. Seriously....that's what she told me.
Birds eat birds?????
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KatieJane83 wrote: »I just had to sit and suffer through overhearing a coworker go on, ad nauseam through my cubicle wall, how eating carbs after dinner will mean they don't get digested but get immediately turned into evil evil adipose! Apparently everything else if fine, just not doze evil carbz.
The evens that I can't = all of them
Sorry, just had to spread my misery. Anyone have any other overheard gems to share?
I workout in the evening and slam 100+ grams of carbs after the workout. I hear this a lot..and when I do I just sent them this.
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She should have sent them to my house. A hawk got my mom's chickens so no more fresh eggsAngInCanada wrote: »A lady I know won't buy any more fresh farm eggs from us because most of them are double yolkers. Double yolkers are bad because they have double the cholesterol and so they are bad eggs. She had to throw away half of the eggs last time. Seriously....that's what she told me.
Birds eat birds?????
Birds eat ANYTHING! Our chickens would fight over frogs, snails, mice - anything that was unfortunate enough to venture into their run.0 -
She should have sent them to my house. A hawk got my mom's chickens so no more fresh eggsAngInCanada wrote: »A lady I know won't buy any more fresh farm eggs from us because most of them are double yolkers. Double yolkers are bad because they have double the cholesterol and so they are bad eggs. She had to throw away half of the eggs last time. Seriously....that's what she told me.
Birds eat birds?????
No different than mammals eating mammals, right?0 -
Why are you so threatened by other people being successful differently than you?
Because it is a risky dietary practice and I don't advocate risky. Even if it is popular. I'm not threatened by it any more than I am threatened by people who engage in other risky behaviours like bungee jumping, driving too fast, or recreational drug use. It's bro science.
It's much less risky than weight loss surgery.0 -
I had 2 coworkers who lived with each other and did some sort of daily rotation diet based on the old food pyramid. You could only eat from one food group for the day and volume didn't matter at all. They rotated a full day of just eating meat, then just veggies, grains and pasta, fruit, dairy, and one day of just fats. Day 7 was just water to "clean out". There was some sort of order to it but I can't remember what it was- but fat day was always followed by the water day.
I do remember that it was disgusting.
I came into the break room one day to find them eating the trimmings of a brisket they apparently had cooked earlier in the week and sipping herb infused vegetable oil from little Dixie cups. Two very large ladies with big Texas hair gobbling strips of greasy fat like ravenous vultures- licking their fingers and telling me from shiny lips how great they felt and how "if you care about yourself and your self image you should eat the pyramid." I wasn't very smart about eating back then either but it was so GROSS it turned my stomach.
They did this for at least a year that I know of- and I don't recall them loosing any weight. They sure were dedicated to it though. Then they had some sort of falling out that involved a dispute over a parrot and one lady throwing a hot skillet at the other. They separated and eventually one quit and I moved on not long after that.
Now I ponder what possible advantage this could have been and can't think of a singe thing. They would have been WAY over calories on 6 of the 7 days after consider the volume aspect. Even veggie day and fruit day would have been over because of the various sauces / dips they ate. Bowls of guacamole or half a bottle of salad dressing add up fast.
Also, dairy day was horrible as I'm pretty sure one of those ladies shouldn't have been eating any dairy...at all.
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Nettamere3 - That just sounds hideous! Ugh!! That beats the "I don't want all that heavy muscle" for me. -shudders-0
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nettamere3 wrote: »I had 2 coworkers who lived with each other and did some sort of daily rotation diet based on the old food pyramid. You could only eat from one food group for the day and volume didn't matter at all. They rotated a full day of just eating meat, then just veggies, grains and pasta, fruit, dairy, and one day of just fats. Day 7 was just water to "clean out". There was some sort of order to it but I can't remember what it was- but fat day was always followed by the water day.
I do remember that it was disgusting.
I came into the break room one day to find them eating the trimmings of a brisket they apparently had cooked earlier in the week and sipping herb infused vegetable oil from little Dixie cups. Two very large ladies with big Texas hair gobbling strips of greasy fat like ravenous vultures- licking their fingers and telling me from shiny lips how great they felt and how "if you care about yourself and your self image you should eat the pyramid." I wasn't very smart about eating back then either but it was so GROSS it turned my stomach.
They did this for at least a year that I know of- and I don't recall them loosing any weight. They sure were dedicated to it though. Then they had some sort of falling out that involved a dispute over a parrot and one lady throwing a hot skillet at the other. They separated and eventually one quit and I moved on not long after that.
Now I ponder what possible advantage this could have been and can't think of a singe thing. They would have been WAY over calories on 6 of the 7 days after consider the volume aspect. Even veggie day and fruit day would have been over because of the various sauces / dips they ate. Bowls of guacamole or half a bottle of salad dressing add up fast.
Also, dairy day was horrible as I'm pretty sure one of those ladies shouldn't have been eating any dairy...at all.
LMAO this is hilarious. Not that they'd do such a stupid diet, but that they wouldn't even do it right. I'm guessing the fruit and veggie days are not supposed to include salad dressings and sauces (guacamole is fine obviously!).0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »So not to be argumentative, but I think it's interesting that people seem to be thinking that we should EAT our sign (i.e., Pisces eats fish, Taurus eats beef). As a Sagittarius, I'm not really into this idea (although I guess it goes back to how as a Type B I should be drinking the kumis), but my initial assumption was that we would eat as our sign would eat.
Not that that helps me a lot! ;-)
How can I get a conclusive answer on this very important question?
I guess as a pisces that resigns me to a lifetime of spirulina, kelp and sardines.0 -
spacequiztime wrote: »
I don't think I'd mind eating horse but that's illegal in the US.lemurcat12 wrote: »So not to be argumentative, but I think it's interesting that people seem to be thinking that we should EAT our sign (i.e., Pisces eats fish, Taurus eats beef). As a Sagittarius, I'm not really into this idea (although I guess it goes back to how as a Type B I should be drinking the kumis), but my initial assumption was that we would eat as our sign would eat.
Not that that helps me a lot! ;-)
How can I get a conclusive answer on this very important question?
"Pet broscience" is a whole other can of worms
It's illegal... what... why... how...
It's a damn good meat, and I say that as a horse lover. I don't see how a country can outlaw specific meats (other than human of course). As long as it is killed according to law then it really shouldn't matter.0 -
if you think that's bad, kinder surprise eggs are also banned here.MonsoonStorm wrote: »
it's illegal... what... why... how...spacequiztime wrote: »
I don't think I'd mind eating horse but that's illegal in the US.lemurcat12 wrote: »So not to be argumentative, but I think it's interesting that people seem to be thinking that we should EAT our sign (i.e., Pisces eats fish, Taurus eats beef). As a Sagittarius, I'm not really into this idea (although I guess it goes back to how as a Type B I should be drinking the kumis), but my initial assumption was that we would eat as our sign would eat.
Not that that helps me a lot! ;-)
How can I get a conclusive answer on this very important question?
"Pet broscience" is a whole other can of worms
It's a damn good meat, and I say that as a horse lover. I don't see how a country can outlaw specific meats (other than human of course). As long as it is killed according to law then it really shouldn't matter.
It's all very silly at the end of the day.
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-americans-dont-eat-horse-meat-2013-20 -
LMAO this is hilarious. Not that they'd do such a stupid diet, but that they wouldn't even do it right. I'm guessing the fruit and veggie days are not supposed to include salad dressings and sauces (guacamole is fine obviously!).
Agree! Guacamole is good. All things in moderation!0 -
MonsoonStorm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »So not to be argumentative, but I think it's interesting that people seem to be thinking that we should EAT our sign (i.e., Pisces eats fish, Taurus eats beef). As a Sagittarius, I'm not really into this idea (although I guess it goes back to how as a Type B I should be drinking the kumis), but my initial assumption was that we would eat as our sign would eat.
Not that that helps me a lot! ;-)
How can I get a conclusive answer on this very important question?
I guess as a pisces that resigns me to a lifetime of spirulina, kelp and sardines.
I'm still trying to figure out if being a Gemini means I should eat for two or eat people...0 -
I don't work in an office, so I have no office stories to tell, but when I was at university I had a bro-sciencey gym professor. One of my "favorite" pieces of advice that she gave was that breathing was VERY important when you worked out. That's true on it's face, but she followed that advice up by saying that your muscles would develop "incorrectly" and be misshapen if you breathed "wrong."0
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MonsoonStorm wrote: »spacequiztime wrote: »
I don't think I'd mind eating horse but that's illegal in the US.lemurcat12 wrote: »So not to be argumentative, but I think it's interesting that people seem to be thinking that we should EAT our sign (i.e., Pisces eats fish, Taurus eats beef). As a Sagittarius, I'm not really into this idea (although I guess it goes back to how as a Type B I should be drinking the kumis), but my initial assumption was that we would eat as our sign would eat.
Not that that helps me a lot! ;-)
How can I get a conclusive answer on this very important question?
"Pet broscience" is a whole other can of worms
It's illegal... what... why... how...
It's a damn good meat, and I say that as a horse lover. I don't see how a country can outlaw specific meats (other than human of course). As long as it is killed according to law then it really shouldn't matter.
It's not illegal to eat horse in the US. It's illegal to produce for sale, because they've defunded horse slaughter inspections, and you can't sell meat without USDA inspection. You can import it from other countries if you want it. or kill your own horse and eat it. It's not as simple as going to Aldi for ground beef and getting a bonus, though.0 -
She should have sent them to my house. A hawk got my mom's chickens so no more fresh eggsAngInCanada wrote: »A lady I know won't buy any more fresh farm eggs from us because most of them are double yolkers. Double yolkers are bad because they have double the cholesterol and so they are bad eggs. She had to throw away half of the eggs last time. Seriously....that's what she told me.
Birds eat birds?????
As a teenager I helped out on an egg farm. If as you took a freshly laid egg and dropped it on the henhouse floor, there would be a scuffle of hens for the goal of eating what they could of the egg - even the hen that laid the egg.0 -
I have a coworker who refuses to eat meat. I told her it was nice that she was a vegetarian.
She said "no, I'm not a vegetarian. I just don't eat anything with muscles because I read that muscle weighs so much more than fat and I don't want to ingest all that heavy meat muscle". (shovels in the macaroni and cheese)
Go ahead...be flabbergasted.
What!
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nettam3re3 wrote: »I had 2 coworkers who lived with each other and did some sort of daily rotation diet based on the old food pyramid. You could only eat from one food group for the day and volume didn't matter at all. They rotated a full day of just eating meat, then just veggies, grains and pasta, fruit, dairy, and one day of just fats. Day 7 was just water to "clean out". There was some sort of order to it but I can't remember what it was- but fat day was always followed by the water day.
I do remember that it was disgusting.
I came into the break room one day to find them eating the trimmings of a brisket they apparently had cooked earlier in the week and sipping herb infused vegetable oil from little Dixie cups. Two very large ladies with big Texas hair gobbling strips of greasy fat like ravenous vultures- licking their fingers and telling me from shiny lips how great they felt and how "if you care about yourself and your self image you should eat the pyramid." I wasn't very smart about eating back then either but it was so GROSS it turned my stomach.
They did this for at least a year that I know of- and I don't recall them loosing any weight. They sure were dedicated to it though. Then they had some sort of falling out that involved a dispute over a parrot and one lady throwing a hot skillet at the other. They separated and eventually one quit and I moved on not long after that.
Now I ponder what possible advantage this could have been and can't think of a singe thing. They would have been WAY over calories on 6 of the 7 days after consider the volume aspect. Even veggie day and fruit day would have been over because of the various sauces / dips they ate. Bowls of guacamole or half a bottle of salad dressing add up fast.
Also, dairy day was horrible as I'm pretty sure one of those ladies shouldn't have been eating any dairy...at all.
This should be written into a script for a soap opera. It would be way more interesting (in my opinion) than the stories they seem to have.
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