NoS diet
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I lost a good deal of weight doing something similar...basically I tried to keep my portions within the recommended serving sizes and balancing out my diet. I also made it a rule to have some kind of veg at every meal and a serving of fruit or two a day. I still snacked, but I snacked primarily on veggies or a serving of fruit. I still use the no seconds rule most of the time.
I lost a good 20 Lbs basically "cleaning" up my diet and eating better and eating in more reasonable portions. I didn't really get onto MFP until I started getting back into fitness. When I started on MFP I found that what I was doing to begin with was, for the most part, lining up with my calorie goals on MFP.
I logged for a good while and counted calories, but I was one of those people for which this really wasn't healthy. I didn't develop an eating disorder, but I got pretty obsessive about things and it got to the point where it was really upsetting my wife because I would refuse to go out to dinner if I didn't know how many calories my meal was, etc. A lot of people do just fine with calorie counting and others don't. Calorie counting did teach me how to monitor my intake better and I learned a lot doing it, it just wasn't a long term solution for me.
I've maintained my weight loss for 2 years without logging...I eat very well and exercise regularly.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »Frankly - it sounds ridiculous.
I really don't understand why people try to complicate something is so beautiful in its simplicity with so many random and unnecessary rules.
I mean if it works for you, great...I've got no issues with it. But I'm a big proponent of K I S S
I don't understand why people think it's ridiculous. It's basically telling you to eat 3 meals a day instead of 6 and try to save the sweets for special occasions or eat less of them. For me, I don't see how it can NOT fit into my life or even be sustained for life.
The guy who created it was a programmer who got a bit chubby and invented it for himself. (Yes he's not even a doctor or a scientist) Then put it out there to help others who are like minded. Yes there's a book, but it only came out much later than the actual diet, and there's nothing in it that he doesn't tell you for free on the website, so no he's not TRYING to sell anything.
I guess I can see how it would be messed up by someone who knows NOTHING about nutrition. But I know enough to be able to judge good food combinations. I'm smart enough to not use triple cheese pasta, deep fried chicken, and avocado to fill my divided plate. USDA says lean protein (deep fried is not lean), complex carbs (but the triple cheese ain't helping you), and NON-STARCHY vegetables (avocado does not count as one). It's using common sense IMHO.
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chivalryder wrote: »This is the plate you'll be using, right?
Uh nope.0 -
SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Frankly - it sounds ridiculous.
I really don't understand why people try to complicate something is so beautiful in its simplicity with so many random and unnecessary rules.
I mean if it works for you, great...I've got no issues with it. But I'm a big proponent of K I S S
I don't understand why people think it's ridiculous. It's basically telling you to eat 3 meals a day instead of 6 and try to save the sweets for special occasions or eat less of them. For me, I don't see how it can NOT fit into my life or even be sustained for life.
Yet there are other diet plans that tell you to eat 6 meals a day for the same results.
This is why everyone says it's silly.0 -
chivalryder wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Frankly - it sounds ridiculous.
I really don't understand why people try to complicate something is so beautiful in its simplicity with so many random and unnecessary rules.
I mean if it works for you, great...I've got no issues with it. But I'm a big proponent of K I S S
I don't understand why people think it's ridiculous. It's basically telling you to eat 3 meals a day instead of 6 and try to save the sweets for special occasions or eat less of them. For me, I don't see how it can NOT fit into my life or even be sustained for life.
Yet there are other diet plans that tell you to eat 6 meals a day for the same results.
This is why everyone says it's silly.
Yes, but they say you will lose more weight eating that way (faster metabolism yada yada). The reason for 3 meals here is to cut down on the amount of food you eat. (That is, cut down on calories).0 -
When you post on a calorie-counting website, it makes sense that people will advocate calorie counting.
Since the diet you intend to follow specifically avoids calorie counting, it doesn't really align with the methods used on this website to lose weight. That's not to say that there's anything wrong with it, per se, just that it's not something that fits into the framework provided here.
If you don't lose weight (or even gain weight) on your NoS diet, you can always come back and use MyFitnessPal to track your food intake.0 -
SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »I'll give it a go. My mom said I can lose however I want as long as I don't count calories. And I added: or do stupid cleanses and detoxes.
Are you really 22? Why do you need your mom's permission to do anything, let alone eat?
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SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Frankly - it sounds ridiculous.
I really don't understand why people try to complicate something is so beautiful in its simplicity with so many random and unnecessary rules.
I mean if it works for you, great...I've got no issues with it. But I'm a big proponent of K I S S
I don't understand why people think it's ridiculous. It's basically telling you to eat 3 meals a day instead of 6 and try to save the sweets for special occasions or eat less of them. For me, I don't see how it can NOT fit into my life or even be sustained for life.
The guy who created it was a programmer who got a bit chubby and invented it for himself. (Yes he's not even a doctor or a scientist) Then put it out there to help others who are like minded. Yes there's a book, but it only came out much later than the actual diet, and there's nothing in it that he doesn't tell you for free on the website, so no he's not TRYING to sell anything.
I guess I can see how it would be messed up by someone who knows NOTHING about nutrition. But I know enough to be able to judge good food combinations. I'm smart enough to not use triple cheese pasta, deep fried chicken, and avocado to fill my divided plate. USDA says lean protein (deep fried is not lean), complex carbs (but the triple cheese ain't helping you), and NON-STARCHY vegetables (avocado does not count as one). It's using common sense IMHO.
Avocado is a non-starchy veg...it is a nutritional powerhouse and is an outstanding source of healthy fat. I eat 1/2 an avocado pretty much every single day. Also, there's nothing wrong with having a startchy veg to sub for a grain side. I get what you're saying, but you might want to brush up on nutrition...0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Frankly - it sounds ridiculous.
I really don't understand why people try to complicate something is so beautiful in its simplicity with so many random and unnecessary rules.
I mean if it works for you, great...I've got no issues with it. But I'm a big proponent of K I S S
I don't understand why people think it's ridiculous. It's basically telling you to eat 3 meals a day instead of 6 and try to save the sweets for special occasions or eat less of them. For me, I don't see how it can NOT fit into my life or even be sustained for life.
The guy who created it was a programmer who got a bit chubby and invented it for himself. (Yes he's not even a doctor or a scientist) Then put it out there to help others who are like minded. Yes there's a book, but it only came out much later than the actual diet, and there's nothing in it that he doesn't tell you for free on the website, so no he's not TRYING to sell anything.
I guess I can see how it would be messed up by someone who knows NOTHING about nutrition. But I know enough to be able to judge good food combinations. I'm smart enough to not use triple cheese pasta, deep fried chicken, and avocado to fill my divided plate. USDA says lean protein (deep fried is not lean), complex carbs (but the triple cheese ain't helping you), and NON-STARCHY vegetables (avocado does not count as one). It's using common sense IMHO.
Avocado is a non-starchy veg...it is a nutritional powerhouse and is an outstanding source of healthy fat. I eat 1/2 an avocado pretty much every single day. Also, there's nothing wrong with having a startchy veg to sub for a grain side. I get what you're saying, but you might want to brush up on nutrition...
Okay. Rephrase: Low calorie vegetables, which happen to mostly be non starchy too.
And I hate avocado. So. Hahaha
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SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »I'll give it a go. My mom said I can lose however I want as long as I don't count calories. And I added: or do stupid cleanses and detoxes.
Are you really 22? Why do you need your mom's permission to do anything, let alone eat?
I don't need her permission. I just hate her freaking out so much. She's a drama queen when it comes to this stuff. And she's going to start making all sorts of snide comments to get me to stop, which probably will make me stop and then yell at her and then I'm the lowest of lowest dogs in the family and such.
She's not like this with everything so I figured I'll make this one exception to let her chill out a bit.0 -
If it works for you, great. Sounds like you have a basic handle on the food portion of it. It will ultimately come down to how many calories you're actually eating, not just the portions and plates however but hopefully that will help you get that under control.0
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It's strange how calorie counting worries your mother but she thinks a diet where you base your planning on days beginning with S is okay. I am guessing your poor sister was anorectic and any sign of calorie restriction sets your mother off. I guess this plan is okay. Personally, i like snacks because otherwise I get too hungry and gorge at meals. If it works for you, though then you do what you have to do to lose weight and keep your mother off your back,0
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SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »I'll give it a go. My mom said I can lose however I want as long as I don't count calories. And I added: or do stupid cleanses and detoxes.
Are you really 22? Why do you need your mom's permission to do anything, let alone eat?
I don't need her permission. I just hate her freaking out so much. She's a drama queen when it comes to this stuff. And she's going to start making all sorts of snide comments to get me to stop, which probably will make me stop and then yell at her and then I'm the lowest of lowest dogs in the family and such.
She's not like this with everything so I figured I'll make this one exception to let her chill out a bit.
I'm sure you can probably be quite successful on this eating plan if you apply good nutritional choices so if it works for you then go for it.
However, I know from experience that at some point in your life you're going to have to stop doing things just to appease your mom. The sooner you do this, the better.0 -
PeachyPlum wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »I'll give it a go. My mom said I can lose however I want as long as I don't count calories. And I added: or do stupid cleanses and detoxes.
Are you really 22? Why do you need your mom's permission to do anything, let alone eat?
I don't need her permission. I just hate her freaking out so much. She's a drama queen when it comes to this stuff. And she's going to start making all sorts of snide comments to get me to stop, which probably will make me stop and then yell at her and then I'm the lowest of lowest dogs in the family and such.
She's not like this with everything so I figured I'll make this one exception to let her chill out a bit.
I'm sure you can probably be quite successful on this eating plan if you apply good nutritional choices so if it works for you then go for it.
However, I know from experience that at some point in your life you're going to have to stop doing things just to appease your mom. The sooner you do this, the better.
^^^^^ This ^^^^^^^^^
I hope this works for you, but what your mother does not realize is it ultimately comes down to calories in versus calories out.
I know some people that didn't "cut the cord" and their mom is still meddling in their lives into their 40's. Even after they have married and had kids of their own.0 -
SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »I'll give it a go. My mom said I can lose however I want as long as I don't count calories. And I added: or do stupid cleanses and detoxes.
Are you really 22? Why do you need your mom's permission to do anything, let alone eat?
I don't need her permission. I just hate her freaking out so much. She's a drama queen when it comes to this stuff. And she's going to start making all sorts of snide comments to get me to stop, which probably will make me stop and then yell at her and then I'm the lowest of lowest dogs in the family and such.
She's not like this with everything so I figured I'll make this one exception to let her chill out a bit.
Therapy for you. Yesterday. Far more important than weight loss right now for you. It is going to take time and money, and you desperately need it, and the sooner you start the better for you. Not being sarcastic, I come from a very dysfunctional family and this is the advice I wish I had followed at your age and saved myself a lot of trouble. Your way of thinking is just flawed, sorry. I understand it, feel your pain, I understand what you want to do, but it will not work. You are right in the middle of it, was raised like this and cannot see how crazy what you are trying to do is. Talk to a therapist and in a few years you will be looking back at this and wondering "WTF was I tying to do?"0 -
I think it's a sensible diet and a healthy way to eat. Losing weight is not for certain if you don't know how many calories you're taking in, but if you're currently indulging in snacks, sweets and seconds regularly and you cut them out, there is I think a pretty good chance that you'll lose weight with that change.0
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SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »I'll give it a go. My mom said I can lose however I want as long as I don't count calories. And I added: or do stupid cleanses and detoxes.
Are you really 22? Why do you need your mom's permission to do anything, let alone eat?
I don't need her permission. I just hate her freaking out so much. She's a drama queen when it comes to this stuff. And she's going to start making all sorts of snide comments to get me to stop, which probably will make me stop and then yell at her and then I'm the lowest of lowest dogs in the family and such.
She's not like this with everything so I figured I'll make this one exception to let her chill out a bit.
Apparently some people think it's abnormal that you don't want to upset your mom. I'd actually call it considerate, especially bearing in mind the previous problem you mentioned with your sister. BTW I'm 47 and I don't like to upset my mom, either, so perhaps I'm abnormal too.
The eating plan you've outlined makes good sense. No snacks is hardly controversial; no seconds means you'll be having moderate portions (something constantly preached on these forums) and as for the days beginning with 'S', I've seen a lot of people posting that they have 'cheat days' on weekends, so that's just another way of saying the same thing.
I think this will work for you, particularly as you clearly realise you can't just get a supersized plate and then load it with junk. I know several people who successfully manage their weight without counting calories.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »I'll give it a go. My mom said I can lose however I want as long as I don't count calories. And I added: or do stupid cleanses and detoxes.
Are you really 22? Why do you need your mom's permission to do anything, let alone eat?
I don't need her permission. I just hate her freaking out so much. She's a drama queen when it comes to this stuff. And she's going to start making all sorts of snide comments to get me to stop, which probably will make me stop and then yell at her and then I'm the lowest of lowest dogs in the family and such.
She's not like this with everything so I figured I'll make this one exception to let her chill out a bit.
Apparently some people think it's abnormal that you don't want to upset your mom. I'd actually call it considerate, especially bearing in mind the previous problem you mentioned with your sister. BTW I'm 47 and I don't like to upset my mom, either, so perhaps I'm abnormal too.
The eating plan you've outlined makes good sense. No snacks is hardly controversial; no seconds means you'll be having moderate portions (something constantly preached on these forums) and as for the days beginning with 'S', I've seen a lot of people posting that they have 'cheat days' on weekends, so that's just another way of saying the same thing.
I think this will work for you, particularly as you clearly realise you can't just get a supersized plate and then load it with junk. I know several people who successfully manage their weight without counting calories.
Not abnormal, just codependent as ****.
I'm not bashing on the OP, I struggled with this for many years. Like the poster above, therapy helped me realize that I am NOT responsible for my Mom's feelings.
I think that's the point we're trying to make. OP is a grown adult who does not need her mother to make her decisions, even in the name of "protecting" her. OP's Mom needs to let OP make her own decisions, even at times when those decisions turn out to be mistakes, because she's an adult now. Mom's snide remarks about calorie counting are passive-aggressive, manipulative, and controlling - and Mom is making OP's dietary choices all about Mom.0 -
SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »I've decided that I'm going to do the NoS diet to appease my mom, because she thinks counting calories lead to eating disorders. (Past experience with my sister)
NoS goes like this: NoSnacks, NoSeconds, NoSweets, except "sometimes" on days that start with S. (The creator added the "sometimes" to remind you to not be an idiot on S days and eat a whole gallon of ice cream hehehe) So basically, you're eating 3 meals a day on this diet.
In addition to ensure I am indeed in a caloric deficit, and to ensure I get good nutrition from those three meals, I will also use the USDA MyPlate rule, which means 1/2 the plate is filled with vegetables, 1/4 with protein and 1/4 with starch.
I think this plan will fit effortlessly into my life and I'm hoping it will put my mom at ease as well. Opinions?
Well, my opinion is that you can certainly try it and you may lose weight. It doesn't sound dangerous just that all the rules are kind of silly and unnecessary.
I tried different things that weren't calorie counting. They worked for awhile. I ate "healthy" food. I followed overly complicated rules. They were not sustainable plans and didn't teach me how many calories to actually eat for my activity level so it was very easy to go over or give up. Calorie counting is easy and has the fewest rules and restrictions because you only need to stay with your calorie goal. Everything else is personal preference.
Maybe you shouldn't discuss weight loss with your mom since she is so overly sensitive about it.
Good luck to you.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »I'll give it a go. My mom said I can lose however I want as long as I don't count calories. And I added: or do stupid cleanses and detoxes.
Are you really 22? Why do you need your mom's permission to do anything, let alone eat?
I don't need her permission. I just hate her freaking out so much. She's a drama queen when it comes to this stuff. And she's going to start making all sorts of snide comments to get me to stop, which probably will make me stop and then yell at her and then I'm the lowest of lowest dogs in the family and such.
She's not like this with everything so I figured I'll make this one exception to let her chill out a bit.
Apparently some people think it's abnormal that you don't want to upset your mom. I'd actually call it considerate, especially bearing in mind the previous problem you mentioned with your sister. BTW I'm 47 and I don't like to upset my mom, either, so perhaps I'm abnormal too.
The eating plan you've outlined makes good sense. No snacks is hardly controversial; no seconds means you'll be having moderate portions (something constantly preached on these forums) and as for the days beginning with 'S', I've seen a lot of people posting that they have 'cheat days' on weekends, so that's just another way of saying the same thing.
I think this will work for you, particularly as you clearly realise you can't just get a supersized plate and then load it with junk. I know several people who successfully manage their weight without counting calories.
I don't like to upset my mother either but at some point you do need to grow up and live your own life. If I had let her, my mother would still be dictating my religious beliefs, my parenting and how I wear my hair just to name a few. If the OP still lives with her mom, I guess it would be difficult to diet without her being involved. But if she lives on her own, then frankly, mom needs to butt out.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »I'll give it a go. My mom said I can lose however I want as long as I don't count calories. And I added: or do stupid cleanses and detoxes.
Are you really 22? Why do you need your mom's permission to do anything, let alone eat?
I don't need her permission. I just hate her freaking out so much. She's a drama queen when it comes to this stuff. And she's going to start making all sorts of snide comments to get me to stop, which probably will make me stop and then yell at her and then I'm the lowest of lowest dogs in the family and such.
She's not like this with everything so I figured I'll make this one exception to let her chill out a bit.
Apparently some people think it's abnormal that you don't want to upset your mom. I'd actually call it considerate, especially bearing in mind the previous problem you mentioned with your sister. BTW I'm 47 and I don't like to upset my mom, either, so perhaps I'm abnormal too.
The eating plan you've outlined makes good sense. No snacks is hardly controversial; no seconds means you'll be having moderate portions (something constantly preached on these forums) and as for the days beginning with 'S', I've seen a lot of people posting that they have 'cheat days' on weekends, so that's just another way of saying the same thing.
I think this will work for you, particularly as you clearly realise you can't just get a supersized plate and then load it with junk. I know several people who successfully manage their weight without counting calories.
I don't like to upset my mother either but at some point you do need to grow up and live your own life. If I had let her, my mother would still be dictating my religious beliefs, my parenting and how I wear my hair just to name a few. If the OP still lives with her mom, I guess it would be difficult to diet without her being involved. But if she lives on her own, then frankly, mom needs to butt out.
If me deciding to count calories upsets my mom, that's on her. It isn't on me.
Adult children should never feel guilty for living their own lives and making their own decisions.0 -
SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »SkinnyMiss053 wrote: »I'll give it a go. My mom said I can lose however I want as long as I don't count calories. And I added: or do stupid cleanses and detoxes.
Are you really 22? Why do you need your mom's permission to do anything, let alone eat?
I don't need her permission. I just hate her freaking out so much. She's a drama queen when it comes to this stuff. And she's going to start making all sorts of snide comments to get me to stop, which probably will make me stop and then yell at her and then I'm the lowest of lowest dogs in the family and such.
She's not like this with everything so I figured I'll make this one exception to let her chill out a bit.
Speaking from years of experience, you need to nip that snide comment making and controlling behavior before it goes any further. You are a grown adult and - provided you're not doing anything to harm yourself or others - what you do with your life is your own choice.
The more you let her words determine your actions, the worse it will get. It's great that you want to heed her concern for you, but at some point you have to respectfully tell her "thanks mum, but this is what I'm going to do." And if you have a healthy relationship with her, she should respect that her daughter is a grown woman fully capable of making her own life choices.
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I read the book last year and it makes a lot of sense. I have tried to follow the basic rules and once I got used to not snacking I have found it great. I am in my fifties and it is very similar to the way I used to eat when younger.
I can understand your mum's concerns in view of her experience with your sister.0 -
The NoS diet is not a fad diet, no food is off limit, and there is no magic involved! It's a good and sensible plan, and using MFP for over a year has taught me to eat in a pattern that really resembles the NoS diet a lot - eat meals, portion control, balance between food groups, treats only on special occasions. If I couldn't count calories, I'd follow that plan, or maybe the 21 day fix. But I prefer to count calories and my mom has nothing to say in that matter
OP, you're not your sister, and calorie counting is not the reason behind eating disorders. And you are not your mother. You have to decide how to manage your own food intake.0
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