Tear me a new one,gained 8lbs despite diet and exercise, please help
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snowflake954 wrote: »I think someone "qualified" needs to start a "muscle thread". The newbs seem to be confused as to how one acquires muscle. Hint---it's hard, and doesn't happen by accident.
I started one a while back .....it got about 30 pages deep before dying out...
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I am going with inaccurate logging + no food scale for 1000.00 Alex....
Cosigned.
I know some people are resistant to the idea of weighing their intake, but it is soooo very effective in getting your portions correct.
Here's a video showing the difference between eyeballing and using a scale:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjKPIcI51lU
And here's another one where vismal is using spoons and such to measure and is measuring a packaged food:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5sovhvLAig
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snowflake954 wrote: »I think someone "qualified" needs to start a "muscle thread". The newbs seem to be confused as to how one acquires muscle. Hint---it's hard, and doesn't happen by accident.
I started one a while back .....it got about 30 pages deep before dying out...
It needs to be resurected every now and again. It'a amazing how many people always come up with "but you're probably gaining muscle" card. And they're really convinced too. I notice it's usually the newer posters. 0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »I am going with inaccurate logging + no food scale for 1000.00 Alex....
Cosigned.
I know some people are resistant to the idea of weighing their intake, but it is soooo very effective in getting your portions correct.
Here's a video showing the difference between eyeballing and using a scale:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjKPIcI51lU
And here's another one where vismal is using spoons and such to measure and is measuring a packaged food:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5sovhvLAig
damn, that first video is crazy!!! 2900 VS 1700!!????0 -
snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I think someone "qualified" needs to start a "muscle thread". The newbs seem to be confused as to how one acquires muscle. Hint---it's hard, and doesn't happen by accident.
I started one a while back .....it got about 30 pages deep before dying out...
It needs to be resurected every now and again. It'a amazing how many people always come up with "but you're probably gaining muscle" card. And they're really convinced too. I notice it's usually the newer posters.
apparently, building muscle is easy and everyone can do it just by doing 50 minutes of turbo jam and eating 1200 calories...0 -
Not that it really matters, but I thought the "eat only for 30 minutes" thing as "don't sit and eat really fast, or don't let your meals drag on, so you can read your satiety signals more easily". An effort to keep the cheat meal smaller/lower calorie.0
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mamapeach910 wrote: »I am going with inaccurate logging + no food scale for 1000.00 Alex....
Cosigned.
I know some people are resistant to the idea of weighing their intake, but it is soooo very effective in getting your portions correct.
Here's a video showing the difference between eyeballing and using a scale:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjKPIcI51lU
And here's another one where vismal is using spoons and such to measure and is measuring a packaged food:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5sovhvLAig
damn, that first video is crazy!!! 2900 VS 1700!!????
You know what scares me so much about that? To me, so many of those things look the same. I am TERRIBLE at eyeballing.
And even for the ones that look different? How easy would it be for that coffee to get a little lighter each day before you realized it? Or to add just a tiny bit more and more PB to the sandwich over time? I'm thinking ahead to maintenance with these kinds of questions.
I'm so glad I've seen that video. I don't care that I'll need a food scale to measure accurate portions forever, I'm just glad I know it.
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Donuts, potato chips, pizza OH MY! You need to weigh/ measure everything! Try cutting out some of the crap, you take in alot of sodium! One day you were over by almost 2000 caloires, it only takes 3500 to equal 1 pound, and you were over a couple other days too, it adds up. Allow yourself a "cheat" once a week, not everyday!0
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mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »I am going with inaccurate logging + no food scale for 1000.00 Alex....
Cosigned.
I know some people are resistant to the idea of weighing their intake, but it is soooo very effective in getting your portions correct.
Here's a video showing the difference between eyeballing and using a scale:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjKPIcI51lU
And here's another one where vismal is using spoons and such to measure and is measuring a packaged food:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5sovhvLAig
damn, that first video is crazy!!! 2900 VS 1700!!????
You know what scares me so much about that? To me, so many of those things look the same. I am TERRIBLE at eyeballing.
And even for the ones that look different? How easy would it be for that coffee to get a little lighter each day before you realized it? Or to add just a tiny bit more and more PB to the sandwich over time? I'm thinking ahead to maintenance with these kinds of questions.
I'm so glad I've seen that video. I don't care that I'll need a food scale to measure accurate portions forever, I'm just glad I know it.
I was thinking about it, and if you figure that there are about 12 items on the table and if each one just had 100 calories more in it, then boom! there is 1200 calorie difference. And with something like peanut butter or granola 100 calories can be like an ounce, which is not that much of a difference from an eyeball standpoint.
Here is something that I do that has helped me with eye balling for when I am at a restaurant or something. I will guess the weight before I weigh it and then see how close I am. I have found that doing this over the years has made me pretty good at eyeballing....0 -
Donuts, potato chips, pizza OH MY! You need to weigh/ measure everything! Try cutting out some of the crap, you take in alot of sodium! One day you were over by almost 2000 caloires, it only takes 3500 to equal 1 pound, and you were over a couple other days too, it adds up. Allow yourself a "cheat" once a week, not everyday!
*sigh* ..eating "crap" has nothing to do with it. It is the fact that the logging is not accurate and non use of a food scale.
You can eat donuts and what not, be in a deficit, and still lose weight.
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No one has mentioned the thyroid yet
because as well as MFP being able to build muscle at incredible rates it also has the highest rate of thyroid issues on the planet 0 -
Donuts, potato chips, pizza OH MY! You need to weigh/ measure everything! Try cutting out some of the crap, you take in alot of sodium! One day you were over by almost 2000 caloires, it only takes 3500 to equal 1 pound, and you were over a couple other days too, it adds up. Allow yourself a "cheat" once a week, not everyday!
*sigh* ..eating "crap" has nothing to do with it. It is the fact that the logging is not accurate and non use of a food scale.
You can eat donuts and what not, be in a deficit, and still lose weight.
Well since eating crap at a deficit isn't working for her..... For me if I eat junk I don't lose weight, I feel bloated and my performance suffers in my workouts. When I eat good healthy food my body responds much better to my efforts. That's all I'm saying!0 -
I took a peek at your diary and I agree with others on the generic entries and measurements.
You really need to weigh your food. I used to use the "1 potato, medium, baked in skin" entry. Then I weighed what I thought was a "medium" potato. It was not a medium potato. Also avoid entries with an asterisk that you can't verify and/or do not have multiple confirmations. If you're not sure, find one that says USDA if you can. The barcode scanner is also not always accurate - be sure you verify back to the nutrition info on the package.
I have an entire separate category for alcohol on my diary. Separating it out was really helpful for seeing exactly how much of my daily allowance was going to booze. Also, be aware that an average shot glass is not 1 oz when full, it's more like 1.5 oz. I would suggest grabbing a 99 cent 1 oz or 1/2 oz jigger from the liquor store to measure your spirits. Those extra little bits add up, especially if you drink often or in quantity. Oh, and flavored liquors are way higher in calories than the non-flavored versions so be sure you're logging the right thing.
Just as a whatever, after I started tracking my alcohol separately, I also found an interesting pattern: I ate a lot more and/or gave up on my daily calorie goal much faster on days that I also drank a lot. Seeing that motivated me to change my habits.
Good luck, op.0 -
Donuts, potato chips, pizza OH MY! You need to weigh/ measure everything! Try cutting out some of the crap, you take in alot of sodium! One day you were over by almost 2000 caloires, it only takes 3500 to equal 1 pound, and you were over a couple other days too, it adds up. Allow yourself a "cheat" once a week, not everyday!
*sigh* ..eating "crap" has nothing to do with it. It is the fact that the logging is not accurate and non use of a food scale.
You can eat donuts and what not, be in a deficit, and still lose weight.
Well since eating crap at a deficit isn't working for her..... For me if I eat junk I don't lose weight, I feel bloated and my performance suffers in my workouts. When I eat good healthy food my body responds much better to my efforts. That's all I'm saying!
Have you read the thread? It's unlikely, given the state of her logging, that she IS at a deficit.0 -
Donuts, potato chips, pizza OH MY! You need to weigh/ measure everything! Try cutting out some of the crap, you take in alot of sodium! One day you were over by almost 2000 caloires, it only takes 3500 to equal 1 pound, and you were over a couple other days too, it adds up. Allow yourself a "cheat" once a week, not everyday!
*sigh* ..eating "crap" has nothing to do with it. It is the fact that the logging is not accurate and non use of a food scale.
You can eat donuts and what not, be in a deficit, and still lose weight.
Well since eating crap at a deficit isn't working for her..... For me if I eat junk I don't lose weight, I feel bloated and my performance suffers in my workouts. When I eat good healthy food my body responds much better to my efforts. That's all I'm saying!
She's NOT eating at deficit. Her logging isn't accurate.
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AllOutof_Bubblegum wrote: »sciencenovice wrote: »
I know I have to live off celery and egg whites and workout three hours a day to really make it work
False.
+1
What a sad world that would be.
And Yes to what everyone else is saying... get a food scale and work on your logging accuracy.0 -
Donuts, potato chips, pizza OH MY! You need to weigh/ measure everything! Try cutting out some of the crap, you take in alot of sodium! One day you were over by almost 2000 caloires, it only takes 3500 to equal 1 pound, and you were over a couple other days too, it adds up. Allow yourself a "cheat" once a week, not everyday!
Yeah I read the thread and looked at her diary, she's way over and inaccurate. Its amazing how people crucify you for suggesting a little clean eating. You don't have to be so exact with your measurements when your eating whole foods. Palm size serving of lean meat, one piece of fruit, handful of nuts. If measuring and weighing is too overwhelming this is an option
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Donuts, potato chips, pizza OH MY! You need to weigh/ measure everything! Try cutting out some of the crap, you take in alot of sodium! One day you were over by almost 2000 caloires, it only takes 3500 to equal 1 pound, and you were over a couple other days too, it adds up. Allow yourself a "cheat" once a week, not everyday!
Yeah I read the thread and looked at her diary, she's way over and inaccurate. Its amazing how people crucify you for suggesting a little clean eating. You don't have to be so exact with your measurements when your eating whole foods. Palm size serving of lean meat, one piece of fruit, handful of nuts. If measuring and weighing is too overwhelming this is an option
Crucifixion? Really? You must have a wonderfully tranquil life if someone disagreeing with you on the internet makes you feel like you are being crucified.
If your goal is "x" and the calories in fruit and nuts make you go over "x," you will not meet your goal.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »I am going with inaccurate logging + no food scale for 1000.00 Alex....
Cosigned.
I know some people are resistant to the idea of weighing their intake, but it is soooo very effective in getting your portions correct.
Here's a video showing the difference between eyeballing and using a scale:
And here's another one where vismal is using spoons and such to measure and is measuring a packaged food:
When you purposefully lay out a table to hide calories and demonstrate how much difference there can be between weighing food and eyeballing it, of course there is going to be a large difference. Most people don't underestimate their calories by as much as the guy in the video did. The larger the meal, the more people underestimate. For smaller meals, people are pretty good at guessing. Weighing one's food is one way to handle the problem, but not having a food scale isn't necessarily going to cause someone to eat too much.0 -
She didn't suggest 'a little clean eating'. She suggested she needs to live off of celery and egg whites... which is false.Donuts, potato chips, pizza OH MY! You need to weigh/ measure everything! Try cutting out some of the crap, you take in alot of sodium! One day you were over by almost 2000 caloires, it only takes 3500 to equal 1 pound, and you were over a couple other days too, it adds up. Allow yourself a "cheat" once a week, not everyday!
Yeah I read the thread and looked at her diary, she's way over and inaccurate. Its amazing how people crucify you for suggesting a little clean eating. You don't have to be so exact with your measurements when your eating whole foods. Palm size serving of lean meat, one piece of fruit, handful of nuts. If measuring and weighing is too overwhelming this is an option
She can eat whatever she wants in the context of weight loss, as long as she maintains a deficit. If that's from 'clean' eating or otherwise, that's her choice. But if there's no deficit, there will be no weight loss.
I think crucify is a bit strong of a term to use in this scenario. OP clearly stated in her title to rip her a new one... meaning she wants honest and truthful (maybe even hard to hear) advice.
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She didn't suggest 'a little clean eating'. She suggested she needs to live off of celery and egg whites... which is false.Donuts, potato chips, pizza OH MY! You need to weigh/ measure everything! Try cutting out some of the crap, you take in alot of sodium! One day you were over by almost 2000 caloires, it only takes 3500 to equal 1 pound, and you were over a couple other days too, it adds up. Allow yourself a "cheat" once a week, not everyday!
Yeah I read the thread and looked at her diary, she's way over and inaccurate. Its amazing how people crucify you for suggesting a little clean eating. You don't have to be so exact with your measurements when your eating whole foods. Palm size serving of lean meat, one piece of fruit, handful of nuts. If measuring and weighing is too overwhelming this is an option
She can eat whatever she wants in the context of weight loss, as long as she maintains a deficit. If that's from 'clean' eating or otherwise, that's her choice. But if there's no deficit, there will be no weight loss.
I think crucify is a bit strong of a term to use in this scenario. OP clearly stated in her title to rip her a new one... meaning she wants honest and truthful (maybe even hard to hear) advice.
I think @acollis1 is suggesting that she herself is being "crucified," not OP.0 -
Donuts, potato chips, pizza OH MY! You need to weigh/ measure everything! Try cutting out some of the crap, you take in alot of sodium! One day you were over by almost 2000 caloires, it only takes 3500 to equal 1 pound, and you were over a couple other days too, it adds up. Allow yourself a "cheat" once a week, not everyday!
Yeah I read the thread and looked at her diary, she's way over and inaccurate. Its amazing how people crucify you for suggesting a little clean eating. You don't have to be so exact with your measurements when your eating whole foods. Palm size serving of lean meat, one piece of fruit, handful of nuts. If measuring and weighing is too overwhelming this is an option
What kind of lean meat? There's a difference between chicken and fish, and even differences between white meat and dark meat chicken. I won't even get into how you could go overboard with nuts.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
She didn't suggest 'a little clean eating'. She suggested she needs to live off of celery and egg whites... which is false.Donuts, potato chips, pizza OH MY! You need to weigh/ measure everything! Try cutting out some of the crap, you take in alot of sodium! One day you were over by almost 2000 caloires, it only takes 3500 to equal 1 pound, and you were over a couple other days too, it adds up. Allow yourself a "cheat" once a week, not everyday!
Yeah I read the thread and looked at her diary, she's way over and inaccurate. Its amazing how people crucify you for suggesting a little clean eating. You don't have to be so exact with your measurements when your eating whole foods. Palm size serving of lean meat, one piece of fruit, handful of nuts. If measuring and weighing is too overwhelming this is an option
She can eat whatever she wants in the context of weight loss, as long as she maintains a deficit. If that's from 'clean' eating or otherwise, that's her choice. But if there's no deficit, there will be no weight loss.
I think crucify is a bit strong of a term to use in this scenario. OP clearly stated in her title to rip her a new one... meaning she wants honest and truthful (maybe even hard to hear) advice.
I think @acollis1 is suggesting that she herself is being "crucified," not OP.
Uh... ok. I still don't see any crucifixion, even with that...0 -
isulo_kura wrote: »No one has mentioned the thyroid yet because as well as MFP being able to build muscle at incredible rates it also has the highest rate of thyroid issues on the planet
Also I have noticed that for anyone 30-39, the 30's are when it gets harder to lose weight. Repeat for the 40's, 50's and 60's. Everyone struggling is just in that one decade where it's not as easy as it is for everyone else.
Oh and I'm happy to have learned today that pointing out when someone is incorrect is exactly the same as nailing them to a cross and letting them die in slow agony. I guess from now on I'll take my hammer wherever I go...0 -
I love this! Thank you for sharing!!! Crap... That's a huge eye opener!!mamapeach910 wrote: »I am going with inaccurate logging + no food scale for 1000.00 Alex....
Cosigned.
I know some people are resistant to the idea of weighing their intake, but it is soooo very effective in getting your portions correct.
Here's a video showing the difference between eyeballing and using a scale:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjKPIcI51lU
And here's another one where vismal is using spoons and such to measure and is measuring a packaged food:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5sovhvLAig
damn, that first video is crazy!!! 2900 VS 1700!!????
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you eat to much
When you gain you eat to much calories
Now the cause can be not weighing your food
Here a small video in addition to the earlier posted video's
Short one showing only what a difference it makes for some peanut butter and oats So two kinds of foods that makes hundreds of difference by weighing on a food scale or measuring cups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjWPclrWVY
Just be more accurate in your logging!0 -
OP, you don't have to eat just celery and egg whites if you get a food scale!
I don't use mine religiously, but I always use it on calorie dense items, and every once in a while I take a week and weigh everything to make sure I'm not getting out of control. I have to say for me personally, the food scale takes all the stress out of this for me! Before I would eyeball portions and always have this nagging worry that I ate too much. Now when I get into that psyche, i can weigh out my portions and be confidant I'm doing what i need to.
If you can't see yourself using it all the time, at least use it for a week or two so you can figure out where your problem is. Hang in there :drinker:0 -
TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »you eat to much
When you gain you eat to much calories
Now the cause can be not weighing your food
Here a small video in addition to the earlier posted video's
Short one showing only what a difference it makes for some peanut butter and oats So two kinds of foods that makes hundreds of difference by weighing on a food scale or measuring cups.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjWPclrWVY
Just be more accurate in your logging!
I like this video much better - shows the actual measurements in cups/tbsp vs grams and calorie differences per food.0 -
Get a digital scale. Log accurately by weighing in grams or ounces and using verified choices in the MFP food log. By that I mean search for entries that are based on the USDA nutritional info or look at the food labels on what you eat and verify it against the entries you find in the system.
You have a lot of entries like "Aladdin BBQ Chicken Breast, 1 breast." A chicken breast can be small or huge and the calories change accordingly. Same for "Watermelon, 3.13 cup." It's great that you appear to be measuring in some way but stuff like that needs to be weighed whenever possible. Especially since all of your watermelon measurements end in .13 cup. The odds of all of your watermelon servings ending in .13 cup are low, which makes me think that you are bs'ing your measurements.
You also seem to drink a lot of your calories. That is a personal preference but keep in mind that you may find solid foods more filling than liquids.
Good advice here.
Also, stick with it longer than a couple of weeks. You yourself said you've only been at this for a month, and that the first week or two you were logging what you ate without restriction and eating an "entire pound" worth of calories in one day sometimes. You could still be seeing the effects of that weight gain. A couple of weeks isn't long enough to see results.
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sciencenovice wrote: »i started really getting serious about MFP and working out on April 6. I've lost a lot of weight before, but I'm not sure if it because I'm in my thirties now or what but I just can't drop any weight.
Anyway, I started logging everything, even my cheat days. Which was eye opening! After a week of deficit and working out I'd actually eat an entire pounds worth of calories in one day! Negating the entire 6 days. So I reigned that mess in and just stuck within maintenance of cheats were to come up. That's been just over 2 weeks.
I also had a calculated TDEE of 2270 and put my calorie goal at 1470. I workout 5 days a week and try not to eat back my calories. If I do eat back my calories, its about 100-200 calories over 1470, and not everyday.
No, I don't have a scale, though I measure and portion almost all of my food. Plus I try to add a bigger size or 10% more calories to what I'm unsure of. I feel like it's better to over shoot calories than under.
I think my diary is open, so you can see sometimes I sneak chips or ice cream in if my calories allow it. I know I haven't been perfect, but I don't know how it's *kitten* possible I gained almost 10lbs in a month!!! My clothes are not fitting any better. My only improvement is muscle definition in my arms. I Jazzercise, kickbox, and do interval strength training about 50 minutes at day. Sometimes more sometimes less.
Please tell me how I can possibly have *kitten* up this bad??? I mean I never gained this much not trying!
I know I have to live off celery and egg whites and workout three hours a day to really make it work but I was hoping for a conservative sustainable way of life. And yesterday's entry was my *kitten* it all to hell in eating 8lbs I beer and pizza because it doesn't matter anyway.
No. Just, no. I've lost almost 60lbs and I've been maintaining for over two years now-I eat all the foods that I enjoy, just make it fit into my calorie goals. During my active weight loss phase I ate out 2-3 times a week (and no salads, snort). Heck, last week I think I had pizza out 3 times (lost count lol).
First-stop using words like 'cheat' days, 'sneaking' etc. This is not a healthy attitude towards food. Food is food, and you can eat all the foods that you like, GUILT FREE, just by figuring out how to fit them into your calorie goals.
Second-make sure you're running your numbers correctly. I used a couple different online calculators to make sure I was following the right calorie deficit number.
Third-a food scale is under $20 and it can be a huge help. It's so worth it to pick one up and see where you're really at. It's very easy to mis-judge food by eyeballing it.
Fourth-I did not exercise during my active weight loss phase. It's very easy to over-estimate calories burned, and that can lead to all sorts of issues. Really make sure you're not eating more calories back then you're actually burning.0
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