Are there any other thin girls who have an insanely high BF%?
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To the OP: yes, you did. You commented that it is too hard to eat enough protein within your low maintenance caloric limits.
To MrM27: Yes, your point being? The OP is the one claiming she has trouble meeting protein requirements to gain muscle, not me.
I am pointing out to her that even if you take an unreasonably high amount of protein, and couple it to a less than reasonable caloric goal, she still won't have trouble meeting it.
Which, to me, means that she has a less than reasonable caloric goal in mind; but, hey, if I said that I wouldn't be supportive now, would I.0 -
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Then why are you hanging around the weight loss section as opposed to posting in the maintenance or exercise sections?and why wouldn't they be? regardless, i'm not looking to lose weight and i've never said i am. i'm maintaining/ gaining, whichever proves necessary (ultimately, trying to lower my BF%)0 -
To the OP: yes, you did. You commented that it is too hard to eat enough protein within your low maintenance caloric limits.
To MrM27: Yes, your point being? The OP is the one claiming she has trouble meeting protein requirements to gain muscle, not me.
I am pointing out to her that even if you take an unreasonably high amount of protein, and couple it to a less than reasonable caloric goal, she still won't have trouble meeting it.
Which, to me, means that she has a less than reasonable caloric goal in mind; but, hey, if I said that I wouldn't be supportive now, would I.
can you show me where i said that? i have not said that. i don't have any calorie limits, low or otherwise. i'm underweight and looking to maintain or gain.0 -
and i don't know why you told me about your bone density. i think you're misreading something here0
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this board is called "General Diet and Weight Loss Help". GENERAL DIET AND weight loss help, not just weight loss help. my question was a general one, and it wasn't about exercise or maintaining my weight. it was asking if there are any other thin girls who have a high body fat percentage relative to their weight. i can't say i vetted every board to check which was most appropriate to post this thread, but i don't think i've put it in the wrong place, either. in any case, would it really bother you that much if i had?
and can you please show me where i said that thing i supposedly said about it being "too hard to eat enough protein within your low maintenance caloric limits"
i appreciate that you're only trying to help, but i think you've misread a couple of things and gotten confused0 -
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0.7g per lb of body weight to 1g per lb of body weight equals between 77g and 110g of protein per day for a total of less than 440 Calories.
0.4g of fat per lb of body weight means 44g of fat, or 396 Calories.
The two together add up to 836 Calories a day.
Even assuming 20% metabolic adaptation, sedentary lifestyle, no exercise, and 1g of protein per lb of body weight (as opposed to lb of lean body mass), I still did not manage to raise your protein requirement above 36%, and that was on a measly 1200Cal budget.
Assuming no kidney issues, how exactly is this protein goal difficult to meet in the context of a TDEE level caloric budget?
OP: are you sure that hanging around weight loss boards is the best thing for you?
sorry, are you addressing me or someone else on the thread? confused. if you are, then i don't know whether i meet my protein requirements, i don't think i've commented on my protein consumption here? aside to say that for someone who wants to build muscle, i could probably use more. also i eat a lot more than 1200 haha
and why wouldn't they be? regardless, i'm not looking to lose weight and i've never said i am. i'm maintaining/ gaining, whichever proves necessary (ultimately, trying to lower my BF%)
Protein requirements are lower on a bulk than it is on a cut.
i wouldn't know about that and i'm too tired to look into it so i'll take your word. i don't understand what that has to do with me, though, as i'm neither bulking or cutting0 -
"Constant and have minimums is really self explanatory. You are assuming those people are neglecting protein. Pretty much every argument you are making is with people having a poor protein intake. That's a huge assumption."
@MrM27 perhaps they're self explanatory terms to someone who's slept, but i haven't (for a long time), and i'm asking you to elaborate so that i can better understand what you're saying, because in doing so i'm much more likely to absorb what you're saying to me. if i can't absorb the information you're throwing at me, then what's the point in saying it at all? surely it's just to inform?
if you find that you physically cannot muster the words to elaborate, then fair enough, leave that stone unturned...
i've made a lot of arguments, i don't know which you're referring to because our discussion isn't strictly chronological, at the beginning you went back pages and picked up on what i'd said hours ago so forgive me for being perplexed, especially when the other poster in this thread is making no sense in his posts to either of us. who are the people you're referring to that i'm assuming have a poor protein intake?0 -
I believe I made my point to the OP. I'm not even sure why you responded to me since I never even mentioned or quoted you.
When you responded to the OP you quoted what she said.
The expanded quote includes my post to which she had responded to, hence I thought you were in part responding to me; though I now understand that you weren't!
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OP, I am an inch taller than you. At some point in my life I had to be literally immobile for several months, because of a health problem. At this point, I was around 110-115 lbs. There was no muscle, because whatever muscle I had just turned to jello. Staying in your bed for months and moving with assistance around the room does that to the body. Even then, I did not have a high body fat, I just had little muscle. Because it is impossible to have a very low BMI and high fat or to even look fat. You might have no muscle, you might look fragile, out of shape, and all these need exercise, and probably to put on some weight to correct. But if you are seeing yourself as high fat, it is time to talk to a therapist.0
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0.7g per lb of body weight to 1g per lb of body weight equals between 77g and 110g of protein per day for a total of less than 440 Calories.
0.4g of fat per lb of body weight means 44g of fat, or 396 Calories.
The two together add up to 836 Calories a day.
Even assuming 20% metabolic adaptation, sedentary lifestyle, no exercise, and 1g of protein per lb of body weight (as opposed to lb of lean body mass), I still did not manage to raise your protein requirement above 36%, and that was on a measly 1200Cal budget.
Assuming no kidney issues, how exactly is this protein goal difficult to meet in the context of a TDEE level caloric budget?
OP: are you sure that hanging around weight loss boards is the best thing for you?
sorry, are you addressing me or someone else on the thread? confused. if you are, then i don't know whether i meet my protein requirements, i don't think i've commented on my protein consumption here? aside to say that for someone who wants to build muscle, i could probably use more. also i eat a lot more than 1200 haha
and why wouldn't they be? regardless, i'm not looking to lose weight and i've never said i am. i'm maintaining/ gaining, whichever proves necessary (ultimately, trying to lower my BF%)
Protein requirements are lower on a bulk than it is on a cut.
i wouldn't know about that and i'm too tired to look into it so i'll take your word. i don't understand what that has to do with me, though, as i'm neither bulking or cutting
I've skimmed this thread so I think I have the general picture
You just want to find other people who think they have a high body fat % at a low weight
You aren't calorie counting, bulking or cutting and have no intention of changing your macro intakes (protein, fats) you don't consider you eat a nutritionally balanced diet
You don't want to research anything you just want an online compadre who shares your views
You started lifting weights a week ago
I can't help feeling you have a goal or aspiration I am missing
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OP where, if anywhere do you fall on this chart?
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more_productive wrote: »Someone could be 60lbs and still have an abnormally high bfp if they were 40% fat
Wait, what?
I must be missing something, because that's not biologically possible unless they're about 3 foot tall.
lol yeps
but according to the person who wrote this I have to read a bit more about this
Let alone the fact that the OP is with her 5.5 and 110lbs underweight.
But who am i? I dont know nothing lol
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I was small and "soft" like you at age 20. I did some hard core "Arnold style" workouts and biked for cardio and got extremely lean but, I was very dedicated and it took about 9 months to really have that wow factor. Now I'm 42 and I have to work much harder but, it's worth it. Plus if I take time off of my workouts my body remembers pretty quick so it does not take me nearly as long to notice changes in my appearance. Start now, work hard, and it will be easier for you when your older to maintain or regain it!!! BTW I was 103 @ 5'3.5 at age 20. I'm 108 now but much stronger. I can bench my body weight easy. Hope this inspires you.0
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Op quit comparing yourself to your friends! Your frieken 5'5" and 110lbs and can eat crap...yes your great genetics are at play here which are keeping you thin! Seriously tho just start a strength training routine and eat more protein, soon you will see more definition. I wish I was I was able to eat junk and be thin but I have to count my calories and work out to lose weight. Good luck just focus on the weights and firm up, I'm sure your body fat percentage isn't as much as you think it is. Good luck!0
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Here's the entire chart with numbers for both men and women. Fitness athletes who train for competition only maintain the low level of body fat for competition season. The 10-13% essential body fat level isn't a 365 day sustainable thing for women. Women do need more body fat than men due to hormones and ovulation. I'd really get a reading of your body fat so you have a baseline. It might not be as high as you think.
http://www.builtlean.com/2010/08/03/ideal-body-fat-percentage-chart/
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That built lean site ALWAYS crashes my iPad
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This quote from that site: "Older individuals tend to have a lower body density for the same skinfold measurements, which is assumed to indicate a higher body fat percentage. Older, athletic individuals, however, might not fit this assumption because their body density may be underestimated."
Recently my body fat read 34% on the bone density meter, but I'm an athlete. That device doesn't have a setting for women over 59 - it assumes you are not an athlete after that, so they couldn't measure me correctly for my activity level. If I go by the visual chart, my body looks like I'm between 20 - 22%.
All I know for sure is that at 127lb and 5'4", I wear a size 4.
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stevencloser wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »OP, what you eat doesn't determine your BF% as long as you eat enough protein. Define "eat like ***."
Simple carbs/ starchy *kitten*/ sugary *kitten* will increase your BF%. You're wrong. There's a reason body builders drastically reduce their carbohydrate intake when they're cutting.
It won't if you're not eating at a surplus.
yeah, it will. if you're not eating the right amount of protein to sustain your muscle mass then you'll lose it. and if you're only eating within your maintenance and you're eating too many carbs, then you can't possibly get enough protein. that, and many other factors. isn't this like a universally accepted given? an excess of carbs is like exactly what you need to avoid to get leanmore_productive wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »and btw my last posting and reaction was to @more_productive who found it necessary to be rude and to send me out reading and come back when i knew more about it.
Because you do need to "[know] more about it"
It's really obvious that you don't know what you're talking about when you can't make the distinction between the volume of fat and the fat:muscle ratio...
Someone could be 60lbs and still have an abnormally high bfp if they were 40% fat
Uhhhh nope. 60 lbs and 40% bf, not possible.
It's called hyperbole...
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