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How I feel about some of these forums
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baby05phat wrote: »I can confirm it with myself, I become the rat when I binge and do a few days of mostly junk (even in my calorie range) I can't handle it and it escalates and I stop wanting clean food and the clean food starts tasting like paper.
What is clean food? (For example, dark chocolate is great, but I count it as one of my many deviation from what I understand to be "clean eating.")
In any case, if this is so, then don't eat the "junk." I don't think it's correct or helpful to claim it's an addiction, but it sounds like your palate may need some correction or you may need to build up some healthy habits. No one is saying you must eat something that doesn't work for you.0 -
baby05phat wrote: »I'm not sorry:) It has kept me and my family healthy, as well as most of Europe...which has banned gmo's based on their own studies. Places with high gmos/monsanto/take-out all have high disease, high pharmacy profit and high obesity.
We all have our own beliefs and our bodies are different, plus we all overall don't know much in the big picture. We don't even know where in the universe we are located really, there's much to learn
See that right there^^^^ You're crying about why people are so rude but what you did there is exactly what all the other ones that cry the same thing do, they take shots at people in the thread. Are we all doctors? You know the answer to that. Unfortunately you don't seem to know about thing about detoxes. You went ahead and got all defensive because you believe the nonsense and want to say we don't know anything because we aren't doctors. That attitude right there is a big reason why you're crying about the attitude we have. I'm sorry you believe in detoxes and all the gmo stuff. What you should do is go ahead and block all the rude people you are talking about and only listen to the nice ones, see how far that takes you and how much awesome advice you get.
GMO study that was later retracted because it was so widely discredited.
Plus, GMO's only became readily available in 1996. How do you explain that the obesity surge began in the 1980's? I personally believe the timing coincides with the rise of computers and video games, leading to a much more sedentary lifestyle. I would not be offended in the slightest if someone disagreed with me, or provided scientific proof that I was wrong.
If eating clean works for you, great! Just don't live in the delusion that it is the end all be all to health and wellness. Read some of the links (with an open mind) from very reputable websites/news organizations/medical journals on a simple google search for "GMO myths". You might be surprised.0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »And because it's proven useful in the past, I'll throw up my list of clean eating definitions. These have all been off-the-cuff answers given to the question of what clean eating really is. I've cleaned a few of them up for punctuation/spelling, but may of them are directly copy/pasted from their original posts.
Nothing but minimally processed foods.
Absolutely no processed foods.
Shop only the outside of the grocery store.
Nothing out of a box, jar, or can.
Only food that's not in a box or hermetically sealed bag, or from e.g. McDonald's.
Nothing at all with a barcode.
Nothing with more than 5 ingredients.
Nothing with more than 4 ingredients.
Nothing with more than 3 ingredients.
Nothing with more than 1 ingredient.
No added preservatives.
No added chemicals.
No chemicals, preservatives, etc. at all.
No ingredients that you can't pronounce.
No ingredients that sound like they came out of a chemistry book.
Don't eat products that have a TV commercial.
Don't eat products that have a longer shelf life than you do.
No added sugar.
No added refined sugar.
Swap white sugar for brown.
No "white" foods.
Nothing but lean meats, fruits, and vegetables.
Only meat from grass-fed animals and free-range chickens.
Only pesticide-free foods.
Anything that doesn't cause your body bloat or inflammation.
And I'll note that by some of those definitions, Fritos are a clean food.
By some of those definitions eggs, potatoes, kale and oranges are unclean.
By paleo definitions potatoes aren't clean. And grains.
Also, there is a version of "clean eating" that excludes meat.0 -
baby05phat wrote: »I have binge eating disorder and I managed to eat strictly organic/healthy foods and never binge for a year and then I went to tim hortons followed by mcdonalds on someones birthday and binged nonstop, anytime I eat those foods the binging is triggered.
Maybe moderation only works for some people and not for others at all
And see, I can go to McDonald's and be satisfied with a Quarter Pounder without Cheese, small fries (of which I will only eat a few and discard the rest), and a small Coca Cola...log it for the calories that it is...and go about my merry way. No binging. In fact, I may not eat much for dinner that night because I am still satisfied from the gazillion grams of protein consumed...and I may just have something light for dinner and finish my day with a refreshing glass of water.
The other day I went to Dunkin Donuts and had a glazed donut, because I really wanted one. And guess what? I still registered a loss this week, and I didn't binge and binge and binge. Of course the last time I had a donut was a month ago.
Maybe your problem is in restricting it for sooooo long that your desire eventually becomes insatiable. Perhaps if you allow yourself something on your "no no list" every so often, and you know you can have one again as long as you count it in your calories, you won't be so tempted to binge.
I had 1 serving of ice cream the other night. In fact, I have ice cream frequently during this time of year. Knowing I can have it, I think, keeps me from going nuts when I do indulge. I get a small cone at the ice cream stand (in the past I only got large ones). I have a small bowl at home - in the past I would easily consume the equivalent of 3 cups.
But whatever. If it's cool for you to restrict yourself that much, then by all means do it...but it's not necessary for weight loss.0 -
barbecuesauce wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »I thought clean eating was just no take-out or junk food at all.
I usually have a massive garden salad, 1/2 an avocado, and some kind of protein and some kind of fruit for my lunch...didn't have time to get stuff together for today's lunch so I tossed my avocado into my lunch bag along with some cherries for desert and went and bought a full Asian Cashew Chicken salad from Wendy's. Is my lunch dirty since I didn't make the salad at home?
I did something similar, but I bought the salad from a local place called Protein Bar. It lists the ingredients so I could recreate the salad I bought at home and they are all ingredients I have and would happily use. But it was take out. So unclean?
I mean, the steel cut oats I had for breakfast were already unclean, since they had a bar code, and I also added--gasp!--protein powder to them, so I'm under no illusions about my filthy, filthy status, but just curious.
Did you add the powder before cooking or after?
After.
I make the oats in my rice cooker and then add the powder and a bit more water. In all seriousness, I highly recommend this method to anyone with a rice cooker. Easiest thing in the world and they always come out perfectly with no fuss.
Also some blueberries, which--I admit it--came in a carton that also had a bar code.0 -
baby05phat wrote: »In the experiment, one group of rats was given healthy, nutritionally balanced food. A different group was given "unlimited access to the worst stuff Johnson could find at [the supermarket] Publix, including bacon, sausage, cheesecake, pound cake, Ding Dongs and frosting," reports the Sun-Sentinel.
The junk food group gained weight and became less active. "More surprisingly, the fat rats exhibited the sort of self-destructive behavior associated with human junkies. The rats would eat junk food even if they knew doing so would result in a mild but distinctly uncomfortable electrical shock to their feet," reports the Sun-Sentinel.
The scientists then replaced the unhealthy food with the healthy diet of the first gtoup of rats, and the fat rats refused to eat at all
It's a good thing we're not rats and actually have the higher mental capacity to exercise self-accountability, no?0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »I found this thread to be both helpful & nice from some people and I enjoyed reading their responses/learning more and from others I felt like they're saying I'm an idiot for any beliefs I have outside of their own. So it's hard and I'm torn but I'm going to stay here to keep learning from the awesome people
Well, here's the thing. You seem to have a disconnect.
You state your beliefs as facts.
People debate facts that aren't true.
That's not attacking your beliefs. That's correcting misinformation.
People seem to want to debate anything that hasn't yet been proven by a peer-reviewed study. Dare I mention cider vinegar..?
But seriously, I'm sure you know that just because something hasn't been verified by a study yet doesn't mean it's not true.
That's why you need to keep those things as matters of opinion instead of spreading them as facts.
Facts can be backed by evidence. No one asks for evidence for opinions.
Or they can just cut and paste links while leaving out important information then later claim they didn't think it was "relevant". Amirite?????
When you're right, you're right.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »I thought clean eating was just no take-out or junk food at all.
I usually have a massive garden salad, 1/2 an avocado, and some kind of protein and some kind of fruit for my lunch...didn't have time to get stuff together for today's lunch so I tossed my avocado into my lunch bag along with some cherries for desert and went and bought a full Asian Cashew Chicken salad from Wendy's. Is my lunch dirty since I didn't make the salad at home?
I did something similar, but I bought the salad from a local place called Protein Bar. It lists the ingredients so I could recreate the salad I bought at home. But it was take out. So unclean?
I mean, the steel cut oats I had for breakfast were already unclean, since they had a bar code, and I also added--gasp!--protein powder to them, so I'm under no illusions about my filthy, filthy status, but just curious.
gmoats
Brilliant.
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baby05phat wrote: »Everyone has their own definition of clean eating but it does exist for everyone.
For me personal clean eating is not touching my trigger foods, anything from fast food chains, anything in the junk food aisles and high gmo foods. If I follow that I feel great
So I can claim to "clean eat" so long as I don't eat my personal trigger foods?
What if my main trigger foods are pork shoulder and rack of lamb?0 -
baby05phat wrote: »Everyone has their own definition of clean eating but it does exist for everyone.
For me personal clean eating is not touching my trigger foods, anything from fast food chains, anything in the junk food aisles and high gmo foods. If I follow that I feel great
Everyone has their own definition of happiness, too, but you can't then ask for suggestions or feedback on happiness and not expect some people to send you to church while others send you to porn.
Exactly. "Clean eating" has no real definition, so it shouldn't be touted around like it's the only correct way to eat.
Also, this is just a clean eating thread disguised as a mean people thread. Clever move, OP. That's a new one.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »barbecuesauce wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »I thought clean eating was just no take-out or junk food at all.
I usually have a massive garden salad, 1/2 an avocado, and some kind of protein and some kind of fruit for my lunch...didn't have time to get stuff together for today's lunch so I tossed my avocado into my lunch bag along with some cherries for desert and went and bought a full Asian Cashew Chicken salad from Wendy's. Is my lunch dirty since I didn't make the salad at home?
I did something similar, but I bought the salad from a local place called Protein Bar. It lists the ingredients so I could recreate the salad I bought at home and they are all ingredients I have and would happily use. But it was take out. So unclean?
I mean, the steel cut oats I had for breakfast were already unclean, since they had a bar code, and I also added--gasp!--protein powder to them, so I'm under no illusions about my filthy, filthy status, but just curious.
Did you add the powder before cooking or after?
I make the oats in my rice cooker and then add the powder and a bit more water. In all seriousness, I highly recommend this method to anyone with a rice cooker. Easiest thing in the world and they always come out perfectly with no fuss.
Also some blueberries, which--I admit it--came in a carton that also had a bar code.
Wonder how that would work with flax meal...0 -
UltimateRBF wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »I can confirm it with myself, I become the rat when I binge and do a few days of mostly junk (even in my calorie range) I can't handle it and it escalates and I stop wanting clean food and the clean food starts tasting like paper.
If some people have it figured out with moderation thats awesome, but not everyone has. The only way to keep happy for me is to have healthy foods and desserts like dark chocolate, frozen banana ice cream, fruits etc
You turn into a rat? Some kind of transformation?
Didn't @stevencloser already do that?
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Or they can just cut and paste links while leaving out important information then later claim they didn't think it was "relevant". Amirite?????
No, you're talking bollocks and you know it.
I did find your recommendations on protein (other thread) quite useful though, so thank you for that information.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »barbecuesauce wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »I thought clean eating was just no take-out or junk food at all.
I usually have a massive garden salad, 1/2 an avocado, and some kind of protein and some kind of fruit for my lunch...didn't have time to get stuff together for today's lunch so I tossed my avocado into my lunch bag along with some cherries for desert and went and bought a full Asian Cashew Chicken salad from Wendy's. Is my lunch dirty since I didn't make the salad at home?
I did something similar, but I bought the salad from a local place called Protein Bar. It lists the ingredients so I could recreate the salad I bought at home and they are all ingredients I have and would happily use. But it was take out. So unclean?
I mean, the steel cut oats I had for breakfast were already unclean, since they had a bar code, and I also added--gasp!--protein powder to them, so I'm under no illusions about my filthy, filthy status, but just curious.
Did you add the powder before cooking or after?
I make the oats in my rice cooker and then add the powder and a bit more water. In all seriousness, I highly recommend this method to anyone with a rice cooker. Easiest thing in the world and they always come out perfectly with no fuss.
Also some blueberries, which--I admit it--came in a carton that also had a bar code.
Oooh, I think I'm going to do this for dinner (sans rice cooker). Nothing else in my house appeals to me.0 -
Dear lord, it's getting to the point where the misinformed hippies are causing more problems then the science deniers. And they're merging in to some mutant cancer ridden species because they ate GMOs.
I also love how we're all for pointing to SCIENCE to back our wild claims, right up until you run in to someone who SCIENCES better then you do. Then science becomes biased twattle and personal experience is all that matters.0 -
baby05phat wrote: »It was a study brought to people's attention on the news
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rats-starve-rather-than-eat-healthy-food/
Even going to the original source of the story there is no study linked. Those are both just news articles. We are wanting the actual study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947358/
In case they haven't linked it. Was a *kitten* to find.0 -
barbecuesauce wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »barbecuesauce wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »I thought clean eating was just no take-out or junk food at all.
I usually have a massive garden salad, 1/2 an avocado, and some kind of protein and some kind of fruit for my lunch...didn't have time to get stuff together for today's lunch so I tossed my avocado into my lunch bag along with some cherries for desert and went and bought a full Asian Cashew Chicken salad from Wendy's. Is my lunch dirty since I didn't make the salad at home?
I did something similar, but I bought the salad from a local place called Protein Bar. It lists the ingredients so I could recreate the salad I bought at home and they are all ingredients I have and would happily use. But it was take out. So unclean?
I mean, the steel cut oats I had for breakfast were already unclean, since they had a bar code, and I also added--gasp!--protein powder to them, so I'm under no illusions about my filthy, filthy status, but just curious.
Did you add the powder before cooking or after?
I make the oats in my rice cooker and then add the powder and a bit more water. In all seriousness, I highly recommend this method to anyone with a rice cooker. Easiest thing in the world and they always come out perfectly with no fuss.
Also some blueberries, which--I admit it--came in a carton that also had a bar code.
Oooh, I think I'm going to do this for dinner (sans rice cooker). Nothing else in my house appeals to me.
When I was sick earlier this year I had basically just oatmeal for three days straight. It was crazy, but sometimes it's the perfect comfort food.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »It was a study brought to people's attention on the news
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rats-starve-rather-than-eat-healthy-food/
Even going to the original source of the story there is no study linked. Those are both just news articles. We are wanting the actual study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947358/
In case they haven't linked it. Was a *kitten* to find.
LOLOLOLOLOL. Yup, it was totes the fault of the food.0 -
QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »I also love how we're all for pointing to SCIENCE to back our wild claims, right up until you run in to someone who SCIENCES better then you do. Then science becomes biased twattle and personal experience is all that matters.
Yes, or berating someone's advice because of their lack of qualifications, and then on a separate thread slamming a different person who shares the fact that they have very advanced qualifications by saying qualifications don't mean anything.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Main problems with this forum:
1. People constantly demanding peer reviewed studies when someone posts a personal experience. We all know so-called scientific research can be biased, paid-for, factually incorrect or disproven by a better science next year. If all you want to do is read studies then why come to a board like this at all?
2. Endless squabbling about definitions: addiction and clean eating being two obvious contenders.
3. Close-minded, point-scoring debate as opposed to real productive dialogue. I'd like to listen to someone else's viewpoint and share mine and hopefully both of us would emerge with a greater understanding.
4. And yeah, unnecessary rudeness. If people are saying they're tired of answering the same questions over and over then... don't answer them! How often do you see a thread where the OP's question is answered correctly with the first reply, and it's then followed by twenty other replies in tones of increasing snarkiness, telling him/her the exact same information.
Totally. I posted a link to a study about and mentioned that I thought it was interesting and food for thought. People seemed to answer in very sarcastic and snarky ways. I wasn't telling people, hey. change the way you eat right now OHMYGOD, it was more oh, this is interesting. So yeah. I do see what you are saying.
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