Fed Up Documentary

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  • Sarasmaintaining
    Sarasmaintaining Posts: 1,027 Member
    edited May 2015
    Saryia wrote: »
    My numbers are solid, my blood pressure is great, I have no health issues, I take no medication and I look decent in a two piece swimsuit, for being a 36 year old mom of three kids :)
    I think that's great that works for you.

    I will say though that I think it's oversimplistic to state that simply losing weight will eliminate the likelihood of developing type II diabetes for everyone, although weight loss can certainly help reduce the risk. My maternal grandmother and paternal grandfather both had type II diabetes and were in the normal weight range--my grandfather being 5'8 and 140 lbs when he was diagnosed.

    Perhaps my family is unusual but I doubt it.

    Yep I can only go by my own experience, overweight=high glucose numbers. Weight loss=normal glucose numbers. And every family members who has/had T2 in my family is/was either overweight or obese.

    On the other hand, my husband's grandma probably weighs 80lbs soaking wet and she's been a pre-diabetic for years. She's also had several strokes, surgery for clogged arteries, her blood pressure issues have sent her to the ER numerous times etc. But yet she is the poster child for the whole 'clean' eating movement-her diet is 99% whole foods, made from scratch, comes from their garden etc. In spite of this she's had more health problems than anyone I've ever known. Her husband is super healthy though and has no health issues. Sometimes this whole thing just doesn't make a whole lot of sense :p
  • Sarasmaintaining
    Sarasmaintaining Posts: 1,027 Member
    edited May 2015
    Pu_239 wrote: »
    Saryia wrote: »
    I think the documentary is great. It's oversimplistic, but considering how rates of type II diabetes are skyrocketing in the United States, it is not a stretch to say most Americans are eating too much sugar.

    Overall, our eating habits have changed significantly as a nation over time, sugar is just one part of that. More processed food, larger portion sizes, fewer home-cooked meals etc...it all makes a difference.

    I am on the keto diet and for the first time in my life, my skin is clear and I'm losing weight easily
    . Before I started keto, I was eating healthfully (no processed food), but not as low carb/sugar as I am now. Since my entire family is prone towards type II diabetes, I'm happy with the changes the diet has made to my energy levels, complexion, inflammation levels, and blood sugar.

    Anecdotal evidence is not very good evidence, but in my opinion Fed Up is a very good documentary and the advice in it is decent. You can read for yourself what other nutritional factors affect health, the documentary is not supposed to be your be-all and end-all information source in regards to nutrition.

    Thing is, I used to actually be a pre-diabetic (have lost relatives to complications from T2 as well), and I got my glucose number back down into the normal range, where it's stayed for over two years now, while still eating sugar, processed foods, higher carb foods etc. The only thing I changed during my active weight loss phase was that I started eating at a weekly calorie deficit. Losing the poundage made me healthier, not restricting certain foods.

    For what it's worth-here's my blood work, done earlier this month. My woe includes fast food several times a week, processed/boxed foods, sugary foods, high carb foods, candy chips etc. As well as other things like veggies, whole grains, fish etc, which I also enjoy.

    Current Stats:
    -maintenance range: 120lbs-125lbs
    -bmi range: 19.4-20.2
    -bf% around 22 percent

    BLOOD PANEL RESULTS 5/19/15

    -Fasting glucose number: 86
    *2013: 89
    **2012: in the 120 range

    -Total cholesterol: 150
    *2013: 163

    -HDL cholesterol: 58
    *2013: 47

    -Triglycerides: 49
    *2013: 86

    -LDL cholesterol: 82

    *2013: 99

    -Coronary Heart Disease Risk 2.6 (less than 4.4 is recommended)
    *2013: 3.5

    *2013 blood panel was done as I began transitioning into maintenance
    **September 2012 fasting glucose number

    My numbers are solid, my blood pressure is great, I have no health issues, I take no medication and I look decent in a two piece swimsuit, for being a 36 year old mom of three kids :)
    Exercising and calorie deficit lowers the effect of "sugars/processed foods"

    Except I haven't been in a calorie deficit in over a year? My weight's been pretty stable since the fall of 2013, when I finally finished transitioning into maintenance. I do exercise on and off, but it's pretty low key stuff (over the fall/winter months this past year I did no exercise at all).

    My blood work taken earlier this month are the best results I've ever had. At the time it was done the only exercise I was doing was wrapping up a second round of the 100 push-ups challenge. I actually started a new body-weight strength training program the afternoon after I had my doctor appointment, and I started aiming for specific macro ratios later that week. But that was all after I had my blood drawn :)


  • MoiAussi93
    MoiAussi93 Posts: 1,948 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Just if people don't know, there are at least 3 countries that consume more sugar than the US. And they don't even come close to the obesity rates that the US has.

    http://www.sucden.com/statistics/4_world-sugar-consumption


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    You're interpreting that incorrectly. That is total consumption, not PER CAPITA consumption. India may consume more sugar than us, but they have 1.3 billion people. The US has the highest per capita consumption, meaning the "average" American eats more sugar than anyone else in the world.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/05/where-people-around-the-world-eat-the-most-sugar-and-fat/

    This article has recent data.
  • Sarasmaintaining
    Sarasmaintaining Posts: 1,027 Member
    edited May 2015
    Pu_239 wrote: »
    Pu_239 wrote: »
    Saryia wrote: »
    I think the documentary is great. It's oversimplistic, but considering how rates of type II diabetes are skyrocketing in the United States, it is not a stretch to say most Americans are eating too much sugar.

    Overall, our eating habits have changed significantly as a nation over time, sugar is just one part of that. More processed food, larger portion sizes, fewer home-cooked meals etc...it all makes a difference.

    I am on the keto diet and for the first time in my life, my skin is clear and I'm losing weight easily
    . Before I started keto, I was eating healthfully (no processed food), but not as low carb/sugar as I am now. Since my entire family is prone towards type II diabetes, I'm happy with the changes the diet has made to my energy levels, complexion, inflammation levels, and blood sugar.

    Anecdotal evidence is not very good evidence, but in my opinion Fed Up is a very good documentary and the advice in it is decent. You can read for yourself what other nutritional factors affect health, the documentary is not supposed to be your be-all and end-all information source in regards to nutrition.

    Thing is, I used to actually be a pre-diabetic (have lost relatives to complications from T2 as well), and I got my glucose number back down into the normal range, where it's stayed for over two years now, while still eating sugar, processed foods, higher carb foods etc. The only thing I changed during my active weight loss phase was that I started eating at a weekly calorie deficit. Losing the poundage made me healthier, not restricting certain foods.

    For what it's worth-here's my blood work, done earlier this month. My woe includes fast food several times a week, processed/boxed foods, sugary foods, high carb foods, candy chips etc. As well as other things like veggies, whole grains, fish etc, which I also enjoy.

    Current Stats:
    -maintenance range: 120lbs-125lbs
    -bmi range: 19.4-20.2
    -bf% around 22 percent

    BLOOD PANEL RESULTS 5/19/15

    -Fasting glucose number: 86
    *2013: 89
    **2012: in the 120 range

    -Total cholesterol: 150
    *2013: 163

    -HDL cholesterol: 58
    *2013: 47

    -Triglycerides: 49
    *2013: 86

    -LDL cholesterol: 82

    *2013: 99

    -Coronary Heart Disease Risk 2.6 (less than 4.4 is recommended)
    *2013: 3.5

    *2013 blood panel was done as I began transitioning into maintenance
    **September 2012 fasting glucose number

    My numbers are solid, my blood pressure is great, I have no health issues, I take no medication and I look decent in a two piece swimsuit, for being a 36 year old mom of three kids :)
    Exercising and calorie deficit lowers the effect of "sugars/processed foods"

    Except I haven't been in a calorie deficit in over a year? My weight's been pretty stable since the fall of 2013, when I finally finished transitioning into maintenance. I do exercise on and off, but it's pretty low key stuff (over the fall/winter months this past year I did no exercise at all).

    My blood work taken earlier this month is the best results I've ever had. At the time it was done the only exercise I was doing was wrapping up a second round of the 100 push-ups challenge. I actually started a new body-weight strength training program the afternoon after I had my doctor appointment, and I started aiming for specific macro ratios later that week. But that was all after I had my blood drawn :)

    okay that's good, i misread, your "active weight loss" so I was addressing that. The reason why that works is because just lowering body weight improves insulin sensitivity. As you probably know, people who are prediabetic are usually recommended to lose weight. Just by losing weight health indicators improve.

    The twinkie diet, not sure if you seen this, but this professor at 2/3 of his calories from junk food. His health improved.
    "Being overweight is the central problem that leads to complications like high blood pressure, diabetes and high cholesterol, she said. "
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

    Ah gotcha. And yes, weight loss was the only thing my doctor recommended to normalize my glucose number. And it worked :) I do try and eat a balanced diet, and now that I'm focusing on specific macros ratios I've really started paying attention to nutritional information. But, I will still continue to eat all the foods I enjoy, just have to try a bit harder to make them fit with my new goals (this whole IIFYM thing is like putting together a puzzle every morning before I can begin eating lol).
  • Hollywood_Porky
    Hollywood_Porky Posts: 491 Member
    I think the documentary has a big political slant but let's be very very very clear on this - you cannot outrun a bad diet. You have to eat nutritiously, now for some people that means having candy/cake whatever - but that's not the staple of the diet, but for others that means you cannot touch added sugars at all. I know I am one of the latter. Having been a former chocolatier and having grown up surrounded by sugar all the time, I can flat out tell you that increased sugar intake over the course of many years WILL cause a problem.
  • Saryia
    Saryia Posts: 38 Member
    Yep I can only go by my own experience, overweight=high glucose numbers. Weight loss=normal glucose numbers. And every family members who has/had T2 in my family is/was either overweight or obese.

    On the other hand, my husband's grandma probably weighs 80lbs soaking wet and she's been a pre-diabetic for years. She's also had several strokes, surgery for clogged arteries, her blood pressure issues have sent her to the ER numerous times etc. But yet she is the poster child for the whole 'clean' eating movement-her diet is 99% whole foods, made from scratch, comes from their garden etc. In spite of this she's had more health problems than anyone I've ever known. Her husband is super healthy though and has no health issues. Sometimes this whole thing just doesn't make a whole lot of sense :p
    Yeah--my grandfather has been thin his whole life, and they live in farm country so they've been eating wholesome home-grown foods their entire lives. My grandmother cooks from scratch as well.

    The whole family was shocked when we found out my grandfather had diabetes, because while a couple of members of the family have a tendency towards weight gain, his scale hasn't budged in years. The doctor said that our family is likely genetically predisposed towards type II, and that his smoking habit during his younger years (he quit before age 40) might have been a factor.

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    edited May 2015
    MoiAussi93 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Just if people don't know, there are at least 3 countries that consume more sugar than the US. And they don't even come close to the obesity rates that the US has.

    http://www.sucden.com/statistics/4_world-sugar-consumption


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    You're interpreting that incorrectly. That is total consumption, not PER CAPITA consumption. India may consume more sugar than us, but they have 1.3 billion people. The US has the highest per capita consumption, meaning the "average" American eats more sugar than anyone else in the world.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/05/where-people-around-the-world-eat-the-most-sugar-and-fat/

    This article has recent data.
    I'll give you that. But overall along with sugar consumption per capita, the average US citizen is consuming about 800+ calories more per day than they need. And trump that inadequate physical activity, it's the main reason obesity in the US is the highest in the world. Is it all that 800 calories from sugar? Maybe half, but the amount of high fat combined with the sugar (especially in the Southern states where A LOT of food is fried) is more than likely the reason.
    Still even countries like Brazil with a smaller population as a whole consumes more sugar yet doesn't have the obesity issues that face the US.
    It's more than just about sugar. It's overall about how US citizens don't monitor how much they consume a day.

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  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    shell1005 wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    JPW1990 wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    shell1005 wrote: »
    Whenever I watch a documentary like that....I look for what their bias is and where it is evident. I also usually have google open while watching so I can google the "stats" they are giving and check what it really says and where it came from.

    While I don't like that a lot of food is so much more processed than it used to be and sugar is added to things that I think it has no business being in...I don't think it's the cause of obesity. Just like parents sending cupcakes in to school on their birthday doesn't cause childhood obesity.

    If I got anything from that documentary...it is a reminder to always look at the list of ingredients before even considering putting it in your cart. However, I knew that before I plunked down to watch this.

    Nice post. Although (just because it's a pet peeve) I find the tomato sauce example particularly odd since, although I don't add it myself and never have, it's a pretty traditional ingredient to add to cut the acidity. What bothers me most about that one is just how misleading the numbers are, though--my own homemade sugarless sauce has, well, 7 grams of sugar per serving, because of the tomatoes and veggies.

    I'm actually going to force myself to watch it just because it comes up so incessantly. But first I started Forks Over Knives which so far is exactly what I expected (and I can't help but argue along while watching it which annoys everyone so my choice to watch it alone was the right one!), ;-)

    Bread would've been a better one, really. Commercial bakeries in the US use sugar to speed up the proofing process, which is why anyone who visits the US from Europe gags when they try regular sandwich bread here.

    Yeah. It's funny because I like sweet things, but I hate extra sweetness in things not supposed to be sweet (including, in my mind, coffee and tea) and one of the things that drove my mom crazy when I was a kid is that I wouldn't eat what I called "sliced bread" (basically bread from the grocery store vs. like what my grandmother would bake) and I hated cold cereal (which was typically sugary, of course).

    I wonder if it's because in my mind those things weren't supposed to taste sweet and did. (I also dislike ketchup and sweetish salad dressings and anything honey mustard.)

    Anyway, despite my personal preferences, I don't believe that obesity in the US has a thing to do with ketchup or the bit of sugar in our bread, etc.

    As a kid I would never EVER eat my cereal with milk....and ate potatoes raw. We're all weird in one way or another. ;)

    I had less weird things as a kid, but I recall liking raw bacon, which just seems crazy now.

    My inclinations were definitely fat and protein focused, though. I hated bread and cereal, but recall ordering an adult sized steak at age 10, which the waitress told my dad was inappropriate for me, and he laughed and said "she'll finish it," which I did. It was amusing then, since I was perfectly normal weight until my late 20s, and actually kind of on the small size at 10.
  • jillybeansalad
    jillybeansalad Posts: 239 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    They should just make a Fed Up documentary sticky at this point

    Seriously.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    Saryia wrote: »
    My numbers are solid, my blood pressure is great, I have no health issues, I take no medication and I look decent in a two piece swimsuit, for being a 36 year old mom of three kids :)
    I think that's great that works for you.

    I will say though that I think it's oversimplistic to state that simply losing weight will eliminate the likelihood of developing type II diabetes for everyone, although weight loss can certainly help reduce the risk. My maternal grandmother and paternal grandfather both had type II diabetes and were in the normal weight range--my grandfather being 5'8 and 140 lbs when he was diagnosed.

    Perhaps my family is unusual but I doubt it.

    Yep I can only go by my own experience, overweight=high glucose numbers. Weight loss=normal glucose numbers. And every family members who has/had T2 in my family is/was either overweight or obese.

    On the other hand, my husband's grandma probably weighs 80lbs soaking wet and she's been a pre-diabetic for years. She's also had several strokes, surgery for clogged arteries, her blood pressure issues have sent her to the ER numerous times etc. But yet she is the poster child for the whole 'clean' eating movement-her diet is 99% whole foods, made from scratch, comes from their garden etc. In spite of this she's had more health problems than anyone I've ever known. Her husband is super healthy though and has no health issues. Sometimes this whole thing just doesn't make a whole lot of sense :p

    And in my family no one seems to be diabetic, including my mom, who's been overweight or obese for years and had other health issues, and me, who had great blood sugar and cholesterol numbers even when I was overweight or obese (but I also never ate that much sugar, although my mom is a sugar fiend). Various people in my family, including my dad and my maternal grandfather have had cholesterol issues, and neither was ever overweight.

    Anyway, based on this and my own numbers and current weight I really don't see a reason to worry about sugar.

    I do have a friend who is T2 Diabetic and not overweight, but for him it really seems to be straight genetics.
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    tsawrie wrote: »
    Has anyone seen the documentary "Fed Up" that discusses the impact of sugar on American's obesity issues?

    If so, what are your thoughts?

    That's kind of a broad question. What did you see in that extended editorial that you *want* to believe is true?
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    edited May 2015
    Saryia wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    IMO, the key to successfully fighting the obesity epidemic is education...people know jack *kitten* about actual nutrition.
    Yes. Read the studies yourself and make up your own mind, know what sort of flaws to look for in research studies, educate yourself. Good advice no matter the topic.

    I get the positive intent, but IMO that's not very practical advice. Most people have neither the time nor the inclination nor in many cases the knowledge/experience to wade through "studies". It's not their fault - humans just aren't built for that.

    Better advice IMO would be find role models who are accessible and actually successful over the long term - and then emulate what they do.


  • Saryia
    Saryia Posts: 38 Member
    edited May 2015
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    And in my family no one seems to be diabetic, including my mom, who's been overweight or obese for years and had other health issues, and me, who had great blood sugar and cholesterol numbers even when I was overweight or obese (but I also never ate that much sugar, although my mom is a sugar fiend). Various people in my family, including my dad and my maternal grandfather have had cholesterol issues, and neither was ever overweight.

    Anyway, based on this and my own numbers and current weight I really don't see a reason to worry about sugar.

    I do have a friend who is T2 Diabetic and not overweight, but for him it really seems to be straight genetics.
    I think the problem is that not everyone knows what they are or are not genetically predisposed towards.

    In context, the message "limit sugar" isn't necessarily a bad one. It's like the "watch your salt" recommendation that we've often heard--despite the fact that not everyone is reactive to sodium intake. But, in regards to genetic predisposition, that lack of knowledge will likely change as testing for these sorts of conditions becomes cheaper and more commonplace.

    The diet I am on, keto, is admittedly a rather extreme diet when it comes to carb/sugar. I wouldn't recommend it to everyone, because it's not necessary for everyone, I don't think--calorie restriction and exercise is probably enough. But for me, the benefits of cutting out sugar and refined carbohydrates was well worth it.
  • phxhiker
    phxhiker Posts: 22 Member
    This was the worst documentary I have ever seen! I really wanted to stop watching, I ended up fast forwarding it and I honestly didn't find any substance in there.

  • dubird
    dubird Posts: 1,849 Member
    shell1005 wrote: »
    As a kid I would never EVER eat my cereal with milk....and ate potatoes raw. We're all weird in one way or another. ;)

    Ok, now I don't feel so odd. I've never liked milk in my cereal, and I still eat a couple slices of raw potato when cooking them!
  • glfernandes828
    glfernandes828 Posts: 101 Member
    Yeah! I liked it, I already knew about how serious of a problem it is in our country but it was interesting to learn that companies try to act like they're helping the problem by putting out "reduced fat" products when really all the fat is being replaced with added sugar which is the number one cause of the rapid weight gain to obesity. So sad
  • Eudoxy
    Eudoxy Posts: 391 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    MoiAussi93 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Just if people don't know, there are at least 3 countries that consume more sugar than the US. And they don't even come close to the obesity rates that the US has.

    http://www.sucden.com/statistics/4_world-sugar-consumption


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    You're interpreting that incorrectly. That is total consumption, not PER CAPITA consumption. India may consume more sugar than us, but they have 1.3 billion people. The US has the highest per capita consumption, meaning the "average" American eats more sugar than anyone else in the world.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/05/where-people-around-the-world-eat-the-most-sugar-and-fat/

    This article has recent data.
    I'll give you that. But overall along with sugar consumption per capita, the average US citizen is consuming about 800+ calories more per day than they need. And trump that inadequate physical activity, it's the main reason obesity in the US is the highest in the world. Is it all that 800 calories from sugar? Maybe half, but the amount of high fat combined with the sugar (especially in the Southern states where A LOT of food is fried) is more than likely the reason.
    Still even countries like Brazil with a smaller population as a whole consumes more sugar yet doesn't have the obesity issues that face the US.
    It's more than just about sugar. It's overall about how US citizens don't monitor how much they consume a day.

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    According to that link, our fat consumption is 65.5 g per, which is within the guidelines for a 2000 cal diet. We're eating a lot more than 2000 cals, but the excess is not from fat.

  • Sarasmaintaining
    Sarasmaintaining Posts: 1,027 Member
    Yeah! I liked it, I already knew about how serious of a problem it is in our country but it was interesting to learn that companies try to act like they're helping the problem by putting out "reduced fat" products when really all the fat is being replaced with added sugar which is the number one cause of the rapid weight gain to obesity. So sad

    Ugh, added sugar is not the 'number one cause of rapid weight gain.' Eating at a calorie surplus causes weight gain. Period.
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  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Pu_239 wrote: »
    Pu_239 wrote: »
    It's a good documentary, people keep on saying it's about "weight loss" i saw it as more in terms of health. And it seems people are forgetting is that sugar is a fast acting carbohydrate, processed carbhoydrates act in the same way.

    I never seen someone suggest "the majority of your calories should come from processed/sugary foods." I wonder why...

    because they are calorie heavy not evil

    what makes them calorie heavy? Compare something like broccoli, to gatorade.

    Roughly 300g of broccoli is 20 carbs, and 20oz of gatorade is also 20g of carbs. You'll say it's more calorie dense, well just add water to it to dilute the calorie content to get the same volume. Volume is the same, carb count is the same, one is just more processed, which would fill you up more dilute gatorade or broccoli for the same volume?

    To be more specific broccoli density is 0.4g/ml. 300g of broccoli is the volume of 1.2L. Drinking 1.2liters of dilute gatorade. What do you think will keep you fuller longer? Calories are the same, volume is the same...hence calorie density is the same, so now what's the problem?

    Blend the 300g of broccoli into a 1.2L smoothie and drink it. See if that leaves you full as long as actually eating it. Then drink 1.2L of broccoli... juice? and see if that leaves you full as long.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Pu_239 wrote: »
    That link is misleading. Alan Aragon had the same views, here is part of an article i wrote...
    "There is a famous blog article called, “The Bitter Truth, Fructose Alarmism” It’s pretty much a post saying, Dr.Lustig is wrong, the obesity epidemic isn’t caused by an increase in sugars.(Which is one of Dr.Lustig’s Claims). It even has data from USDA of the increase of food inake in % from 1970 -2007.
    • Meats, eggs, and nut kcals decreased 4%.
    • Dairy kcals decreased 3%.
    • Percentage of fruit kcals stayed the same.
    • Percentage of vegetable kcals stayed the same.
    • Flour and cereal product kcals increased 3%.
    • Added fat kcals are up 7%,
    • Added sugars kcals decreased 1%

    Ignoring the fact that protein sources decreased (which is a huge factor). The only thing that increased is flour and cereal products, and fat calories. Looking at the GI index, the index is a representation of the effect of food on a person’s blood glucose level. The higher the GI index, the higher the blood glucose increases, thus the higher insulin increases. There are many “cereal/flour products” that have the same GI as sucrose (table sugar), they literally have the same effect on our blood glucose levels as eating pure sugar.

    Most of us know there is a “fat scare” going on. People intentionally go out of their way to avoid dietary fats. If people go out of their way to avoid fats, how did the fat calories increase by 7%? Think about it… do most obese people, sit there eating flour based products that are fat free? Flour in its purest form? Think of bread products, pastries things like that. A lot of these contain fat. Looking at the GI of most flours, here are the results."

    I am not saying "sugar is bad" or processed foods are bad. The issue is it's a multifacted issue. Processed foods do contain more calories, they are less filling(you're going to eat more of it), also lacks fiber, etc...

    All these things are related. To say, you're eating sugary foods is synonymous with saying "i am eating calorie dense food, that's low and fiber and less filling.I will likely eat more of it.(which will make the problem worse)" This is also related to the insulin, and so on. It's all related.
    The numbers from the FAO are a bit different than those from the USDA.
    http://www.fao.org/3/a-i4175e.pdf
    According to them, cereal consumption went down by a bit (30 calories, 2%), at least in the last 20 years. But they agree that fat went up (by 100 calories, 2%). Dairy went down by 1%, or a about 15 calories. Sugars stayed the same percentually meaning volume increased only proportional to the rise in energy intake by 36 calories. Everything else pretty much stayed at the same proportions as before while calorie intake rises too.

    So what does that mean? People are eating more of almost everything, there is no one culprit. But the numbers also say that fat intake increased faster than everything else. My guess is that this is a result ofthe fat scare being over.
  • LilliaNikita
    LilliaNikita Posts: 1 Member
    LINIA wrote: »
    On this website, if there is no acceptable proof, the person who posts get a lot of criticism ..however i'm pulling up my big girl pants to say "sugar should be consumed very sparingly ". Limit fruit to 2 or 3 servings per day--Diabetics and prediabetics probably have different requirements.

    I would agree completely for anyone leading a very sedentary lifestyle. However, for your more active group, and especially athletes, sugar is not the evil everyone wants it to be. Sugar is a necessity to keep your body supplied with instant energy (glucose).
  • Butterf1y_Effect
    Butterf1y_Effect Posts: 30 Member

    Excellent! Thank you.
  • evileen99
    evileen99 Posts: 1,564 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    I think the documentary has a big political slant but let's be very very very clear on this - you cannot outrun a bad diet. You have to eat nutritiously, now for some people that means having candy/cake whatever - but that's not the staple of the diet, but for others that means you cannot touch added sugars at all. I know I am one of the latter. Having been a former chocolatier and having grown up surrounded by sugar all the time, I can flat out tell you that increased sugar intake over the course of many years WILL cause a problem.

    Care to finally elaborate on what you mean by that exactly? "you cannot outrun a bad diet"

    It means you can't eat tons of calories and expect to burn them all off with exercise and lose weight.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Ted's definition is different.
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    edited May 2015
    Yeah! I liked it, I already knew about how serious of a problem it is in our country but it was interesting to learn that companies try to act like they're helping the problem by putting out "reduced fat" products when really all the fat is being replaced with added sugar which is the number one cause of the rapid weight gain to obesity. So sad

    Ugh, added sugar is not the 'number one cause of rapid weight gain.' Eating at a calorie surplus causes weight gain. Period.

    It's a fair statement for Americans in general - SAD is so heavy in sugar- and refined-carbs that if all you did was drop those, you end up with good macros and a reasonable caloric deficit.

    It's not the only way to do it, of course, but it will work, and it will certainly be more healthy than SAD.

    The usual exceptions for highly active people apply - but then those people aren't typically SADers anyway.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Mr_Knight wrote: »
    Yeah! I liked it, I already knew about how serious of a problem it is in our country but it was interesting to learn that companies try to act like they're helping the problem by putting out "reduced fat" products when really all the fat is being replaced with added sugar which is the number one cause of the rapid weight gain to obesity. So sad

    Ugh, added sugar is not the 'number one cause of rapid weight gain.' Eating at a calorie surplus causes weight gain. Period.

    It's a fair statement for Americans in general - SAD is so heavy in sugar- and refined-carbs that if all you did was drop those, you end up with good macros and a reasonable caloric deficit.

    It's not the only way to do it, of course, but it will work, and it will certainly be more healthy than SAD.

    The usual exceptions for highly active people apply - but then those people aren't typically SADers anyway.

    Even if the average American (TM) would drop added sugar alltogether, they'd still consume over 3000 calories per day.
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    edited May 2015
    Mr_Knight wrote: »
    Yeah! I liked it, I already knew about how serious of a problem it is in our country but it was interesting to learn that companies try to act like they're helping the problem by putting out "reduced fat" products when really all the fat is being replaced with added sugar which is the number one cause of the rapid weight gain to obesity. So sad

    Ugh, added sugar is not the 'number one cause of rapid weight gain.' Eating at a calorie surplus causes weight gain. Period.

    It's a fair statement for Americans in general - SAD is so heavy in sugar- and refined-carbs that if all you did was drop those, you end up with good macros and a reasonable caloric deficit.

    It's not the only way to do it, of course, but it will work, and it will certainly be more healthy than SAD.

    The usual exceptions for highly active people apply - but then those people aren't typically SADers anyway.

    Even if the average American (TM) would drop added sugar alltogether, they'd still consume over 3000 calories per day.

    That's based on a food production number, not a food consumption. Once wastage is accounted for, the average daily intake is around 2800 calories (source:USDA), of which around 500 is average caloric intake of added sweeteners (source:USDA).
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