My Food Diary - Your opinions please

MamaBirdBoss wrote: »

rabbitjb wrote: »

MamaBirdBoss wrote: »

Guys, people who HAVE had WLS eat 1200 cal a day, and all of their health markers improve. Why is it so terrible that he's eating 1200-1600 (if he is) if he's honestly full? What's wrong with weight loss similar to minor WLS? Clearly people are getting it all the time and having positive results, so why castigate him over it?

He can transition to maintenance once he bouncing into the upper range of a healthy weight by slowing his diet once he dips below overweight. His level of weight loss will naturally slow then, anyway. He's over 100 pounds overweight, at the edge of the morbid obesity range. Once he hits 185, he can up his calories by 100 calories a day per week until he hits maintenance and recomp. As he does that, he might lose another 5-10lbs. His weight would STILL be at the high end of normal.

I do not understand why he's getting the hate, and I can see nothing but possible gallbladder complications that will cause an issue here. Adherence is normally the issue with low cal. If he's not hungry, it won't be a problem.

People who have WLS initially eat a small amount with supplements and monitoring and build up to eating more with supplements and slightly less monitoring

He is 310lbs ..he is logging under the nutritional minimum and his macros were initially well out of whack

And every time people say no big deal they reinforce the fact that this is most likely a quick step to crashing and burning whereas a reasonable approach would result

The research you're quoting on gallstones was in morbidly obese patients over 70% developed gallstones at a rate of 3.3lbs per week or over

Gallstones are not the only thing at issue ...LBM has been covered off then there's the standard issues of inadequate nutrition: fatigues, nail, hair, skin issues and long term issues etc etc

He came in saying he was naive and didn't understand...we are trying to help him understand not support him on a path that "seems ok cos the weight is falling off and I don't feel hungry"

You are as entitled your opinion as anyone and I'm entitled to think you're most likely wrong ...he has major scope to make minor adjustments and healthily and easily reach his goal body without taking drastic actions that may start off a lifelong battle with yo-yo diets

Why are his macros out of whack? The Ornish diet is a valid and healthy diet at 10% fat. He's getting nearly TWICE that!

.45 grams of protein per pound is enough to sustain the lean mass of bodybuilders. Dude is not a bodybuilder, but that should be more than enough. 150lbs lean mass is probably grossly overstating his stats at the moment (sorry, dude ) which means that his 93g is way more than the 67.5g probably needed--and 105g (.7/lb) would be as much as his body could possibly use right now.

Because he's (well) above 1200 calories, he's above the minimums for men. People his size are put on 800 cal diets (with supplements there).

Yo-yo dieting is usually a cycle of bingeing and punishment. He doesn't seem to have the attitude that he's punishing his body or that he's sprinting toward some goal as fast as he possibly can in order to go back to eating the way he has been.

I'm kinda baffled by a number of people here. I'm TERRIBLE for eating a 1200 calorie-ISH diet because I'm too close to my goal weight. He's just as bad for eating a 1300-1500 calorie-ISH diet because he's too big. Who exactly should be eating this amount, given that it's in the safe range for both men and women?

My first two pregnancies, I shed weight very quickly after the babies. VERY quickly. With my second, I was back in my regular pants in a month, back to my pre-pregnancy weight in two. And it was pretty painless and I went straight into maintenance without a thought--and maintained for years. (I got chubby briefly again--about up to where I am now--while remodeling the house once because I wasn't paying attention and was wearing stretchy pants, but I lost it again as soon as I realized. Another time, I quit a major active hobby and gained nearly 10lb, then lost it by changing exercise regimes.) There's nothing that makes a transition from losing to maintenance inherently difficult. There really isn't.

If he's used to eating really calorie-packed meals, the volume of food at 1500 calories when you choose less dense stuff can be very surprising and filling. If it is, then fine.

The ONLY thing I'd be seriously concerned about is the gallbladder.