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  • barbecuesauce
    barbecuesauce Posts: 1,771 Member
    edited July 2015
    moesis wrote: »
    I didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been addressed. He is 6'3" and over 300 pounds, is eating 1600 calories a day enough? It is possible that his body may be going into starvation mode and storing every calorie.

    http://www.coachcalorie.com/not-eating-enough-calories-to-lose-weight/

    Also, do you take measurements weekly or monthly in addition or are you relying completely on the scale?

    Well, that's not possible. At least some of the things the author claims happen when you don't eat enough calories are true, but their conclusion--that the body will hang onto excess weight when not given enough calories--is absolutely false. I continued to lose weight while netting well under 1000 calories (and suffering health consequences from those few calories--fatigue, hair loss, possible cause of my gallbladder issue.)

    If the OP's husband was eating 1600 calories per day, his weight would be at least -8 from one month ago, not +10.

    He's sneaking food. It's possible. I don't care if your kids are narcs or whatever, he's sneaking food.

    My suggestion would be for OP to stop worrying about her husband's weight and start worrying about why he feels the need to hide things from her. Time to back off.
  • madhatter2013
    madhatter2013 Posts: 1,547 Member
    moesis wrote: »

    Also, do you take measurements weekly or monthly in addition or are you relying completely on the scale?

    Yes we have been measuring him and his chest and arms have been getting smaller. He's more worried about his lower section. It's his pants that are getting tighter.
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
    moesis wrote: »
    I didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been addressed. He is 6'3" and over 300 pounds, is eating 1600 calories a day enough? It is possible that his body may be going into starvation mode and storing every calorie.

    http://www.coachcalorie.com/not-eating-enough-calories-to-lose-weight/

    Also, do you take measurements weekly or monthly in addition or are you relying completely on the scale?

    Disregard the bold OP.

  • moesis
    moesis Posts: 874 Member
    edited July 2015
    Do some research.
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    moesis wrote: »
    Well, that's not possible. At least some of the things the author claims happen when you don't eat enough calories are true, but their conclusion--that the body will hang onto excess weight when not given enough calories--is absolutely false. I continued to lose weight while netting well under 1000 calories (and suffering health consequences from those few calories--fatigue, hair loss, possible cause of my gallbladder issue.)

    Yeah, you are incorrect. This is possible, if you do a quick search of the net you will find that this is possible. He gave his body a pretty good jolt by losing weight and it is reacting.
    I think you're confusing "possible" and "impossible."

    At most, the concept you're putting forward would mean he'd lose weight more slowly than he otherwise would, not that he'd fail to lose weight and certainly not that he'd gain weight.

    A quick search of the net can tell me that we didn't land on the moon. You should move beyond quick searches.

  • barbecuesauce
    barbecuesauce Posts: 1,771 Member
    moesis wrote: »
    Do some research.

    No, YOU do some research. Google pictures of famine victims. For the science behind what happens to the body during extreme caloric deficit, the Minnesota Starvation Experiment might be a good place to start. A healthy group of men lost about 25% of their body weight on roughly 1560 calories while doing light exercise. The purpose of the experiment was to test the physiological and psychological effects of starvation, not whether or not weight loss through starvation could be achieved.

    The body simply does not hold onto the weight.
  • slaite1
    slaite1 Posts: 1,307 Member
    Damn. Went to work. And I was SO impressed this thread went so long without "starvation mode" rearing its ugly head.
  • Timshel_
    Timshel_ Posts: 22,834 Member
    I agree he's secret eating.

    Gotta be.

  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    auddii wrote: »
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    slaite1 wrote: »
    msf74 wrote: »
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    msf74 wrote: »
    I wanted to say water retention. But then I read that this 6'3, 300lb man doesn't lose at 1800 calories per day.

    But we don't know if he has stopped losing fat right? That's an unknown quantity. We know he has stopped losing weight which is something else altogether.

    We do know that he was losing on that caloric intake with cardio (presumably low intensity) but also he has recently started a more intense form of exercise (lifting) which is more likely to prompt water / fluid retention.

    What I would add is I think OP started him calorie goal too low to start. We all know what happens as you keep losing weight. Especially with aggressive deficits.

    Sure, and there's too many variables at play to make any confident predictions really (calories go down, cardio is dropped, weights are introduced and so on.)

    I think an approach would be to go to a sensible baseline level of calories, keep exercise consistent for a month and then tweak depending on results.

    Yup

    Absolutely. So what's a good baseline. Should he bump back up to the 2000 and go from there or would that be too low for his size?

    are you only seeing what you want to see?

    2000 for a man who is 6 ft 3 and over 300lbs is not enough even if he wasn't working out.

    My son albeit younger maintains on 4000-4500 depending on his daily work...as a welder.

    he is 6 ft 3 and 21 but 240lbs...smh

    give that man some food so he stops starving and eating behind your back.

    My maintenance during the summer is more than 2k...and I am a 150lb female...

    based on scooby with 1-3hours of light activty his BMR is 2627and TDEE is 2889...

    ^This. You were given the calculator because it is going to be more accurate than people guessing. Don't assume everything is an attack. Playing the victim in this thread isn't going to help your husband.

    No one is attacking me. I'm not sure whre in my posts your getting that vibe. I'm not playing the victim either. Only asking for advise, from other people who may have experienced similar concerns, to help my stubborn husband beyond what I've learned in the two years I've been doing this. As I said previously, I am not a guy so I don't know if things change differently with those genes.
    Honestly, on a sample size of one, as someone who was your husband's size and bigger and who lifted at that size, if the weight isn't pouring off of him at 1800, let alone 1600, he's eating stuff you don't know about or he has a medical condition. I don't mean that to be dismissive or snarky or insensitive to the effort you're making to help him help himself. It's just inconceivable to me that he'd be retaining enough fluid to more than offset the fat he should be losing.

    Another vote that the likely explanation is that 1,600 calories isn't enough and he is eating in secret.

    I'm under 5'7" and I lose weight at 1,600 calories.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Guy04 wrote: »
    I think he's cheating ! I would also suggest trying cardio exercises instead of weight training and stop the cheat day !

    epic failure on recommending dropping strength training for cardio.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    moesis wrote: »
    I didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been addressed. He is 6'3" and over 300 pounds, is eating 1600 calories a day enough? It is possible that his body may be going into starvation mode and storing every calorie.

    http://www.coachcalorie.com/not-eating-enough-calories-to-lose-weight/

    Also, do you take measurements weekly or monthly in addition or are you relying completely on the scale?

    I think coach calorie needs to go back to nutrition school...
  • minties82
    minties82 Posts: 907 Member
    Starvation mode eh. I guess Karen Carpenter got really fat before she died? No such thing.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    moesis wrote: »
    Do some research.

    riddle me this ..if starvation mode is real they why aren't all the starving people in Africa fat???
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    edited July 2015

    You should move beyond quick searches.

    that's a good line that I will steal...thanks.
  • lpadancer
    lpadancer Posts: 20 Member
    Hi all--a first post, but I've lurked for several months now.

    Some have written along the same vein...Why is he not logging himself? Not to say you can't lose weight sans tracking, but making a personal commitment to log on a site such as MFP (and browse the forums, learn the lingo, develop a radar for bullsh**, etc.) indicates a strong desire to see whatever goals through and opens the logger to engagement with personal data, informed food choices, and accountability.

    And fine, fine--maybe he doesn't want to track his food (sounds like that is what is happening now). That could be because he is not interested in putting forth the effort to lose the weight. Or maybe he is interested, but not to the point that it overcomes a desire for lots and lots of food. I think you need to be okay with this. It seems like he is being verbally and at home accountable to you, but not personally accountable.

    I would go ahead and stop logging for him. At this point the logging is only for your data purposes--you've said that he chooses what he'd like to eat and that's that. He might miss the data you were able to provide and start logging for himself, including whatever food you don't know about (should that exist). He can engage with it as he wishes and use the data to ask his own pointed questions.

    You don't even need to see his log should he start one. Because he may be eating more than you know during the day, I'd actually recommend against it for a few months unless he asks you to check it out. If he ends up logging and jumps into the MFP world like you have, think of how great it will be to navigate the finer points of weight loss/health/athleticism together.

    It's also difficult for anyone to glean much when we cannot see a log. Of which one doesn't exist. Because you can't know everything he eats during the day. And that's okay :)

    If it is in fact water weight--awesome. But he should still log himself if he wants a food log in his weight loss toolbox.
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
    edited July 2015
    moesis wrote: »
    Do some research.

    You might not want to put what you research in practice. You will spin your wheels and waste time that could be used getting to your goal.
  • madhatter2013
    madhatter2013 Posts: 1,547 Member
    slaite1 wrote: »
    Damn. Went to work. And I was SO impressed this thread went so long without "starvation mode" rearing its ugly head.

    I hear ya!