a week of clean eating
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I find it amusing that most of us on page one were actually trying to help the OP and then get slammed for asking her questions and suggesting an alternative that would probably provide long term success; rather then OP trying clean eating for a week and bouncing back and forth between dieting, clean eating, and somehow trying to avoid all processed foods, as if there was something inherently bad with something processed.0
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brianpperkins wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »maryelgin1988 wrote: »I am not trying to start a debate here. I'm a newbie with a question, settle down.
The forums here are used more for entertainment than anything else, unfortunately. You might have better luck checking out a clean eating group here or looking for another forum altogether -- maybe on Reddit or Facebook? Here's some links:
MFP - Clean Eating Group
r/Clean Eating
Aha - I understand now. "Clean Eating" means buying your groceries at Whole Foods.
Where foods are still processed, packaged, etc.
Using the criteria put forth in this thread alone, I can't figure out where people get this "clean" food. Not prepackaged means it cannot get boxed, wrapped, bagged, canned, bottled, put in a carton ... so pretty much nothing that makes it to a store. Not processed eliminates anything cooked, cleaned, sterilized, fertilized, harvested, cultivated, butchered ... there goes food stuffs from animals and plants.AlabasterVerve wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »maryelgin1988 wrote: »I am not trying to start a debate here. I'm a newbie with a question, settle down.
The forums here are used more for entertainment than anything else, unfortunately. You might have better luck checking out a clean eating group here or looking for another forum altogether -- maybe on Reddit or Facebook? Here's some links:
MFP - Clean Eating Group
r/Clean Eating
Aha - I understand now. "Clean Eating" means buying your groceries at Whole Foods.
That's what I always assume someone means (eating whole foods, not shopping at a particular store) when they say clean eating given the context of the posts and I haven't been wrong yet. Why everyone here pretends they don't know what they're talking about is beyond me.
Ahh ... a "whole food" .. introducing yet another arbitrary, subjective, and therefore meaningless term into the discussion.
ETA: Based on your diary, heaving whipping cream must be a "whole food" along with coffee which is heavily processed from its natural, cherry pit state to a roasted and ground product suitable for making a beverage.
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brianpperkins wrote: »I get the OP's reaction to the responses.
If someone asks about ideas on clean eating recipes, it certainly seems fair to ask what parameters for clean eating she has in mind. However...
I don't necessarily think it's important to ask why they want to try it...unless there's an explicitly stated claim that can be discussed. That is, if someone wants to try something (in this case clean eating), who the hell am I to ask her why she wants to? There was nothing weird about the initial question. There were no outlandish claims. People just decided to harp on it because of baggage that happens in other threads that should stay in other threads. It's a charged topic, to be sure. No need to keep the charge going.
She wants to change what she eats to feel better physically. "Clean eating," however it ends up being defined by her, may have an effect on that or not. Wish her well, and let it go at that until some sort of unsupported claim gets made.
If one cannot clearly define "clean" then how are they supposed to eat that way?
To quote Potter Stewart (although he was talking about pornography, not clean eating): "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description, and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it..."0 -
I often wonder if people really are as st***d as they make out to be in their posts. Usually when people on a forum that also deals with nutrition talk about " processed " food, we all know that this does not mean washing the vegetables, or cutting them into manageable pieces. Or adding some flavor to them.....
When we talk about " processed " food, we usually mean industrial processing that either makes out of one food another ( I am thinking chicken nuggets ) or adds so many additives( as one example ) that a loaf of wonder bread could fall behind my office filing cabinet and four month after was still eatible.....
The same is true for all those " clean " eating remarks, where people mention ( as one of many possible examples) that they wash their food with bleach ( and even after years of the same lame comments still think they are funny....haha ). Don't you know that those kinds of remarks tell more about you and where you are at than anything else ?
I am very interested in healthful natural eating ( I have done so all my life, just sometimes too much of it ), especially of other cultures ( for me that includes the US diet ). I feel that I never get to learn anything however, because many of those who are also interested and for lack of a better word use the expression " clean eating ", get scared of by very vocal ( and often uninformed ) few.
another definition for you @diannethegeek
Fine, then you say you want to avoid it, say I don't want to eat "industrialized processed food"...
I fail to see what is wrong with eating some wonder bread, but whatever floats your boat...
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I often wonder if people really are as st***d as they make out to be in their posts. Usually when people on a forum that also deals with nutrition talk about " processed " food, we all know that this does not mean washing the vegetables, or cutting them into manageable pieces. Or adding some flavor to them.....
When we talk about " processed " food, we usually mean industrial processing that either makes out of one food another ( I am thinking chicken nuggets ) or adds so many additives( as one example ) that a loaf of wonder bread could fall behind my office filing cabinet and four month after was still eatible.....
The same is true for all those " clean " eating remarks, where people mention ( as one of many possible examples) that they wash their food with bleach ( and even after years of the same lame comments still think they are funny....haha ). Don't you know that those kinds of remarks tell more about you and where you are at than anything else ?
I am very interested in healthful natural eating ( I have done so all my life, just sometimes too much of it ), especially of other cultures ( for me that includes the US diet ). I feel that I never get to learn anything however, because many of those who are also interested and for lack of a better word use the expression " clean eating ", get scared of by very vocal ( and often uninformed ) few.
"we all know"... yeah right. Look how well defined these terms are.diannethegeek wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »maryelgin1988 wrote: »I am not trying to start a debate here. I'm a newbie with a question, settle down.
The forums here are used more for entertainment than anything else, unfortunately. You might have better luck checking out a clean eating group here or looking for another forum altogether -- maybe on Reddit or Facebook? Here's some links:
MFP - Clean Eating Group
r/Clean Eating
Aha - I understand now. "Clean Eating" means buying your groceries at Whole Foods.
That's what I always assume someone means* when they say clean eating given the context of the posts and I haven't been wrong yet. Why everyone here pretends they don't know what they're talking about is beyond me.
*eating whole foods, not shopping at a particular store
because there are about five million definitions of clean eating..
@diannethegeek has complied a list that I am sure she would be happy to post....
And here it is. These were all off-the-cuff answers given when asked what clean eating really is. Some of them have been formatted to better fit the list, but many of them are directly copy/pasted from their original posts. For what it's worth, I would have defined "clean eating" as mostly synonymous with "cooking from scratch" until I read some of these answers.
Nothing but minimally processed foods.
Absolutely no processed foods.
Shop only the outside of the grocery store.
Nothing out of a box, jar, or can.
Only food that's not in a box or hermetically sealed bag, or from e.g. McDonald's.
No take-out or junk food at all.
Nothing at all with a barcode.
Nothing with more than 5 ingredients.
Nothing with more than 4 ingredients.
Nothing with more than 3 ingredients.
Nothing with more than 1 ingredient.
No added preservatives.
No added chemicals.
No chemicals, preservatives, etc. at all.
No ingredients that you can't pronounce.
No ingredients that sound like they came out of a chemistry book.
Nothing that is processed and comes in a package or wrapper, or has any ingredient that sounds scientific.
Don't eat products that have a TV commercial.
Don't eat foods that have a mascot.
If it grows or had a mother, it is ok to eat it.
Don't eat products that have a longer shelf life than you do.
Eat "food" and not "food-like substances."
No added sugar.
No added refined sugar.
Swap white sugar for brown.
No "white" foods.
Nothing but lean meats, fruits, and vegetables.
Nothing but lean meats, fruits, vegetables, and beans.
Eat foods as close to their natural state as POSSIBLE, and little to no processed food.
Only meat from grass-fed animals and free-range chickens.
Only pesticide-free foods.
Nothing that causes your body bloat or inflammation.
No trigger foods, nothing from fast food chains, nothing in the junk food aisles, and no high gmo foods.
No red meat, no sweets, no pasta, no alcohol, no bread, no soda, nothing but fresh fruits and vegetables, complex carbohydrates and lean proteins.
Eat a plant based diet consisting of whole plant foods.
No bad carbs and processed foods.
Anything that makes a better choice.
Not cheating on whatever diet you are on.
Any food that doesn't make it difficult to hit your macro/micro targets.
Man, I sure am glad everyone is on the same page as to what clean eating and processed foods are.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »I get the OP's reaction to the responses.
If someone asks about ideas on clean eating recipes, it certainly seems fair to ask what parameters for clean eating she has in mind. However...
I don't necessarily think it's important to ask why they want to try it...unless there's an explicitly stated claim that can be discussed. That is, if someone wants to try something (in this case clean eating), who the hell am I to ask her why she wants to? There was nothing weird about the initial question. There were no outlandish claims. People just decided to harp on it because of baggage that happens in other threads that should stay in other threads. It's a charged topic, to be sure. No need to keep the charge going.
She wants to change what she eats to feel better physically. "Clean eating," however it ends up being defined by her, may have an effect on that or not. Wish her well, and let it go at that until some sort of unsupported claim gets made.
If one cannot clearly define "clean" then how are they supposed to eat that way?
And as I said, it's fair to ask what parameters for clean she has in mind. What I saw was people asking why she wants to and talking about how it doesn't matter. Well, it doesn't matter to me, but maybe it does for her, and that's ok.
it does not matter because it is not necessary for weight loss or overall health.
why put yourself on an ultra restrictive regime that is necessary for nothing..?
It's not necessary for you, but it is necessary for me and others to reset an unhealthy relationship with food. It works for me and I don't have to do it forever. It's great that apparently you've never had this issue.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »I get the OP's reaction to the responses.
If someone asks about ideas on clean eating recipes, it certainly seems fair to ask what parameters for clean eating she has in mind. However...
I don't necessarily think it's important to ask why they want to try it...unless there's an explicitly stated claim that can be discussed. That is, if someone wants to try something (in this case clean eating), who the hell am I to ask her why she wants to? There was nothing weird about the initial question. There were no outlandish claims. People just decided to harp on it because of baggage that happens in other threads that should stay in other threads. It's a charged topic, to be sure. No need to keep the charge going.
She wants to change what she eats to feel better physically. "Clean eating," however it ends up being defined by her, may have an effect on that or not. Wish her well, and let it go at that until some sort of unsupported claim gets made.
If one cannot clearly define "clean" then how are they supposed to eat that way?
And as I said, it's fair to ask what parameters for clean she has in mind. What I saw was people asking why she wants to and talking about how it doesn't matter. Well, it doesn't matter to me, but maybe it does for her, and that's ok.
it does not matter because it is not necessary for weight loss or overall health.
why put yourself on an ultra restrictive regime that is necessary for nothing..?
The only reason this is even a discussion is because she used the words "clean eating." It's a tiny bit ridiculous.
If she had said, "I'd like to try an experiment for a week where I change up my diet in the hopes of feeling better and having more energy" people would have been all kinds of helpful. They'd ask what she's eating now, and how it makes her feel, and what her energy needs are like, etc. If we leave out the words "clean eating" and substitute them with "food choice", what's the issue?
And if there isn't an issue at that point, it's really just the polarizing effect that clean eating has...which is sort of irrelevant.
Diet choice does have an impact on how (some) people feel...both physically and mentally. At this point, I'm really disinterested and tired of the politics around the term.
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MillyFleurs wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »I get the OP's reaction to the responses.
If someone asks about ideas on clean eating recipes, it certainly seems fair to ask what parameters for clean eating she has in mind. However...
I don't necessarily think it's important to ask why they want to try it...unless there's an explicitly stated claim that can be discussed. That is, if someone wants to try something (in this case clean eating), who the hell am I to ask her why she wants to? There was nothing weird about the initial question. There were no outlandish claims. People just decided to harp on it because of baggage that happens in other threads that should stay in other threads. It's a charged topic, to be sure. No need to keep the charge going.
She wants to change what she eats to feel better physically. "Clean eating," however it ends up being defined by her, may have an effect on that or not. Wish her well, and let it go at that until some sort of unsupported claim gets made.
If one cannot clearly define "clean" then how are they supposed to eat that way?
And as I said, it's fair to ask what parameters for clean she has in mind. What I saw was people asking why she wants to and talking about how it doesn't matter. Well, it doesn't matter to me, but maybe it does for her, and that's ok.
it does not matter because it is not necessary for weight loss or overall health.
why put yourself on an ultra restrictive regime that is necessary for nothing..?
It's not necessary for you, but it is necessary for me and others to reset and unhealthy relationship with food. It works for me and I don't have to do it forever. It's great that apparently you've never had this issue.
you have a medical condition, which would separate you from the rest of us that do not.
do I really need to put a asterisk on all my posts that says "unless you have a medical condition"
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MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
that is all subjective...
one of my best deadlift sessions in a while was after eating a huge piece of cake, which I am guessing is a no no for you...
I could have a great session after a huge piece of cake too, provided I didn't eat like that for every meal up to that point.
I think what a lot of people who haven't been out of shape or making poor dietary choices for a while or ever forget what it's like at the beginning. Sometimes in the beginning, the best way to deal with a craving is to not. give. in.
Your logic has a flaw. If your workouts are better because of clean eating, how could you then "have a great session after a huge piece of cake too". The cake assertion negates your claim that your workouts are better because of clean eating.MillyFleurs wrote: »I get you, OP. I assume by clean eating you mean to cut out empty calories and junk foods and cook/snack on more simple (fewer ingredient) foods.
If so, yes! Give it a shot. Try a couple of weeks, though. I'll admit this is not my first rodeo and those bad habits are just a couple "comfort" slip ups away for me. I've found that what helps me make that initial adjustment with dietary changes and eating at a deficit is cutting out food I don't need to eat and filling up on nutritious food. I know most people here don't care for elimination diets or the term "bad food" but if certain foods or types of foods are a problem for you, you should avoid them. Kind of like how a problem drinker should avoid bars.
It takes me a while to break bad eating habits with slip ups all along the way, but after about a month I form an easy rhythm of: "do I need to eat this? will I be hungry later? if I don't eat this today, I can splurge when out another day" and so on. I also quit wanting those problem foods so much.
What I'm hearing is "Eat more potato chips." Not empty calories: they are an excellent source of potassium. Only 3 ingredients. Minimally processed ... convenient clean food.
Neither of you are listening. I never said I'm an advocate of clean eating, I did say I think I understand the OP's question and worked with what she was asking.
I said avoid problem foods, for me potato chips are a problem food. I said to ask yourself if you need to eat this and will you be hungry later if you do. You definitely don't need to eat potato chips and if that's what you're snacking on, you'll be hungry sooner rather than later.
then why did you say this:
Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
right after you said this:
get you, OP. I assume by clean eating you mean to cut out empty calories and junk foods and cook/snack on more simple (fewer ingredient) foods.
If so, yes! Give it a shot. Try a couple of weeks, though. I'll admit this is not my first rodeo and those bad habits are just a couple "comfort" slip ups away for me. I've found that what helps me make that initial adjustment with dietary changes and eating at a deficit is cutting out food I don't need to eat and filling up on nutritious food. I know most people here don't care for elimination diets or the term "bad food" but if certain foods or types of foods are a problem for you, you should avoid them. Kind of like how a problem drinker should avoid bars.
It takes me a while to break bad eating habits with slip ups all along the way, but after about a month I form an easy rhythm of: "do I need to eat this? will I be hungry later? if I don't eat this today, I can splurge when out another day" and so on. I also quit wanting those problem foods so much.
No where in there do I say I'm a clean eater. No where. I guess at what the OP means by "clean eating" and tell her what works for me.
so equating problem food to a drinking problem is not saying that food is bad???
This is where we have a basic difference in opinion. Some people have a hard time controlling themselves around certain foods. If that is the case, they should avoid being around that food until they can.
Ok so that's what "clean eating' is now? Not eating things you eat too much of? So if I cut out blueberries then I am "eating clean"?
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Just don't drop your food on the floor, then it's clean food.0
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maryelgin1988 wrote: »Alright. I guess I meant like non processed foods and junk foods? Anyways never mind this post.
I guess I don't understand why you need special suggestions for that? Eat meat and veggies and whole food starches like potatoes and sweet potatoes and corn on the cob or rice and quinoa and pasta if you wouldn't count them as processed. (The thing is that most things are processed in some sense.)
I just had some shrimp (obv. not local, I live in Chicago), some corn (local from my CSA), and a bunch of vegetables for lunch. Clean or not clean? I wanted a snack so I bought a bunch of cut fruit and berries from Walgreen's, since I forgot to bring fruit--clearly processed--clean or not clean?0 -
Locking until I get home to clean up this dumpster fire.
Please stay tune for a freshly cleaned thread..0
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