Eat everything in Moderation as dietary advice?
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In addition, you would not tell an alcoholic that they can drink in moderation. Not everyone will have an issue with eating in moderation, but some do. Doesn't hurt to recognize that.0
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To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
IMO..."eating in moderation" doesn't mean that you have to eat every food that is out there known to mankind. If there is a food that you struggle with...then don't eat it. There are several foods that I used to eat that I no longer do because I just can't seem to moderate them. I did however replace them other foods that I could.
My definition of "eating in moderation" is not eliminating any food group. Also "eating in moderation" doesn't mean that you have to eat them every day/week/month. I like ice cream bars...I only eat them a couple of times a month. Love pizza...I stick to 2 slices twice a month. Reduced fat Cheezits...I have to leave on the shelf...I eat the whole box. Just because I leave them on the shelf doesn't mean that I can't center my diet around "eating in moderation".
Well said. I call it flexible dieting...0 -
To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
But that's not eating in moderation... *blinks*
That's the point - trying to eat "in moderation" leads many people straight to binging.
Not everybody, not even most people, but definitely a large enough proportion that "eat in moderation" doesn't work as blanket advice IRL.
Someone gives advice that works for a majority of people. A person who takes said advice doesn't do the advice correctly. Who is at fault... the advice or the person?
It's not a matter of fault, it's a matter of approach.
Some diet strategies work better than others for individuals. Everything-in-moderation is often referred to like it's the goal -- it's not -- managing your weight is the goal. Reaching that goal using elimination, moderation or some combination of both all work and work really well depending on the person. There's nothing proving one strategy is more effective or sustainable than another -- there's no OneTrueWay™.0 -
In addition, you would not tell an alcoholic that they can drink in moderation. Not everyone will have an issue with eating in moderation, but some do. Doesn't hurt to recognize that.
See the multiple earlier posts about diseases ... just as your earlier claim that you ate in moderation until you gained 15 pounds, this one is flawed.0 -
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kshama2001 wrote: »To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
But that's not eating in moderation... *blinks*
That's the point - trying to eat "in moderation" leads many people straight to binging.
Not everybody, not even most people, but definitely a large enough proportion that "eat in moderation" doesn't work as blanket advice IRL.
Right, that's my understanding and experience as well.
How's that??
When I avoid something I really want, that's when I binged on it, instead of learning moderation. At the beginning of my weight loss I avoided foods like ice cream, cookies, etc (because they wouldn't fit into my 1200 cals days, thank god I don't do that anymore). I then would binged on them, now I make them fit if I want them and no longer binge on them and it's more sustainable and been maintaining now for 10 months now.
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What are you talking about?brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
In what way does that apply to what I said? By what bizarre stretching of twisted logic did you come up with that question?
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I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Have there been any studies or articles posted on the credibility of eating everything in moderation?
If you have not posted verified studies and simply your own opinion or experience, then why would you be so invested someone else's opinion or experience?0 -
In addition, you would not tell an alcoholic that they can drink in moderation. Not everyone will have an issue with eating in moderation, but some do. Doesn't hurt to recognize that.
No one is saying that there may be certain foods that people can not moderate. Those foods...at least for a while...should be avoided until you can.
I have had to reduce my sodium intake due to BP issues. There just are certain foods that I can not eat...there is no moderation for those foods with me.
Each of us will have those foods...for whatever reason...that we feel or need to eliminate.
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Looks like some of are as saying similar things, just in different ways.
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I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Have there been any studies or articles posted on the credibility of eating everything in moderation?
If you have not posted verified studies and simply your own opinion or experience, then why would you be so invested someone else's opinion or experience?
The credibility of energy balance is what matters. How you get there with your diet doesn't matter. You can do keto, Atkins, paleo, low fat, low carb, Twinkie diet, or eating in moderation. All of those will result in weight loss if the person is in a caloric deficit. The only diet which is better than the rest is the one that is sustainable and meets all your nutritional needs, for most, that's flexible dieting or eating in moderation.
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Nobody. Nobody is at fault.To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
But that's not eating in moderation... *blinks*
That's the point - trying to eat "in moderation" leads many people straight to binging.
Not everybody, not even most people, but definitely a large enough proportion that "eat in moderation" doesn't work as blanket advice IRL.
Someone gives advice that works for a majority of people. A person who takes said advice doesn't do the advice correctly. Who is at fault... the advice or the person?
What works for one person may not work for another. Different diet strategies do not make one person better or more successful than another.
Some people eat "in moderation" because if they don't, they will binge. That's how they stop themselves from binging. There are also people who eliminate HoHos to stop themselves from binging. Either way, these people have found a way to stop themselves from binging. Yay.
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I have been here for over 3 years, and have lost over 160 pounds, and have been on maintenance for 20 months. My experience has been to not limit anything from my diet and my success has come from moderation in everything I eat and drink and limiting the number of calories I consume daily. No more overeating calories, day after day, week after week, year after year. Moderation and portion size is something I learned here, and it is working. It will work for most people with no health issues and takes self control. If I can do it (I'll be 64 in September), most anyone can. You can use excuses for why it won't, or doesn't work, but that is just an excuse. If you want it, more than you want to overeat, it WILL happen.0
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You can only really say what works for you. Well, some of you may be personal trainers and directly helped others... but the majority have only their own successes and failures. I find it interesting that noone wants to hear another's truth about themself without being argumentative. Hey, I've lost 50lbs since feb. Maybe my approach is best... maybe not. I read Atkins. I am just learning the CICO and move more approaches. Noone wants to give credit for their viewpoints on here. The majority answer is THE only answer. It seems like safety in numbers is the way to go. I think I'll let y'all have the community boards. I hate learning in a hostile environment. OP do what You and YOUR doctor thinks best.0 -
To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
But that's not eating in moderation... *blinks*
That's the point - trying to eat "in moderation" leads many people straight to binging.
Not everybody, not even most people, but definitely a large enough proportion that "eat in moderation" doesn't work as blanket advice IRL.
Someone gives advice that works for a majority of people. A person who takes said advice doesn't do the advice correctly. Who is at fault... the advice or the person?
This is what I am trying to figure out. Over the long term does moderation work for 1 out of 10 or 4/10 or 9/10? Does this information exist?
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To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
But that's not eating in moderation... *blinks*
That's the point - trying to eat "in moderation" leads many people straight to binging.
Not everybody, not even most people, but definitely a large enough proportion that "eat in moderation" doesn't work as blanket advice IRL.
Someone gives advice that works for a majority of people. A person who takes said advice doesn't do the advice correctly. Who is at fault... the advice or the person?
This is what I am trying to figure out. Over the long term does moderation work for 1 out of 10 or 4/10 or 9/10? Does this information exist?
The numbers are awful - truly awful - for all approaches.
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What are you talking about?brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
In what way does that apply to what I said? By what bizarre stretching of twisted logic did you come up with that question?
Oh ... the irony.0 -
Why don't you try it and see if it work for you and if it does, does it really matter if it works for anybody else?0
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brianpperkins wrote: »
What are you talking about?brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
In what way does that apply to what I said? By what bizarre stretching of twisted logic did you come up with that question?
Oh ... the irony.
That's what I thought.0 -
I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Here you go OP:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11883916
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/103367900 -
The only things I generally avoid now are high calorie, low satisfaction side items. What those are may differ from person to person. For me that means chips and fries for the most part and sodas. If I don't get the potato/corn based sides, I can pretty much eat any main course items I normally like. If you are trying to eliminate 500 calories a day from your food intake, saying no to the french fries and soda is easily 200-400 and 120-260 of that respectively depending on the sizes. Those are about the only things that I actively say no to myself for.
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This.
If a person goes back to eating the way they ate when they were overweight, they will eventually regain the weight they lost plus some.
No matter how the weight was lost, maintenance requires continued vigilance.
IMO, moderation has a better shot at working long-term because people don't feel as deprived when they can work in their favorite foods. However, that still requires that calories consumed averages out to equal (or be a little lower than) calories expended.
If more calories are consumed than are burned, weight will be gained no matter what eating plan is used.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Not in this thread.
The discussion is around how best to get and maintain a deficit - not whether a deficit is necessary or whether it will lead to weight loss.
It is about if eating in moderation works to create the needed deficit.
I guess that I am lost. I thought the OP wanted to know about "eating in moderation" was applicable to those with health issues along with is there any science behind "eating in moderation". I would assume comparing it to eating a strict controlled diet.
OP here. To clarify, I'm interested in moderations overall success as a strategy, but also was concerned that it was being advised to people with concerns about specific foods/macronutrients who might not have been fully explaining why they were concerned about specific foods or macronutrients.
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To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
IMO..."eating in moderation" doesn't mean that you have to eat every food that is out there known to mankind. If there is a food that you struggle with...then don't eat it. There are several foods that I used to eat that I no longer do because I just can't seem to moderate them. I did however replace them other foods that I could.
My definition of "eating in moderation" is not eliminating any food group. Also "eating in moderation" doesn't mean that you have to eat them every day/week/month. I like ice cream bars...I only eat them a couple of times a month. Love pizza...I stick to 2 slices twice a month. Reduced fat Cheezits...I have to leave on the shelf...I eat the whole box. Just because I leave them on the shelf doesn't mean that I can't center my diet around "eating in moderation".
Thanks, this seems like a more practical version of EIM.
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This is an internet forum for discussion between strangers, not a certified doctor's office. It is not required to include fine print for every possible situation. Everyone who reads needs to adapt posts to their own needs. If specific concerns need to be addressed, the poster needs to include those concerns in their question.brianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Not in this thread.
The discussion is around how best to get and maintain a deficit - not whether a deficit is necessary or whether it will lead to weight loss.
It is about if eating in moderation works to create the needed deficit.
I guess that I am lost. I thought the OP wanted to know about "eating in moderation" was applicable to those with health issues along with is there any science behind "eating in moderation". I would assume comparing it to eating a strict controlled diet.
OP here. To clarify, I'm interested in moderations overall success as a strategy, but also was concerned that it was being advised to people with concerns about specific foods/macronutrients who might not have been fully explaining why they were concerned about specific foods or macronutrients.
If every contingency were included in every post, they would all be pages long.0 -
I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Have there been any studies or articles posted on the credibility of eating everything in moderation?
If you have not posted verified studies and simply your own opinion or experience, then why would you be so invested someone else's opinion or experience?
I'm trying to find the basis of all the EIM advice. I would like to know what happens to many others (I.e. a study) when EIM is used or not used as a diet or nutritional strategy.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Here you go OP:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11883916
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10336790I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Have there been any studies or articles posted on the credibility of eating everything in moderation?
If you have not posted verified studies and simply your own opinion or experience, then why would you be so invested someone else's opinion or experience?
I'm trying to find the basis of all the EIM advice. I would like to know what happens to many others (I.e. a study) when EIM is used or not used as a diet or nutritional strategy.
I am reposting Alyssa's post in case you missed it. These two articles might help.0 -
I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Have there been any studies or articles posted on the credibility of eating everything in moderation?
If you have not posted verified studies and simply your own opinion or experience, then why would you be so invested someone else's opinion or experience?
I'm trying to find the basis of all the EIM advice.
That's like trying to find the basis of all the Jesus talk.
Seriously.
People believe what they want to believe, and then rationalize it with whatever evidence they can find or make. It's how we're built.
Just figure out what works for you, and don't worry about the rest.
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What is the opposite of EIM? EEYS (Eat Everything You See)?0
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