Eat everything in Moderation as dietary advice?
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The only things I generally avoid now are high calorie, low satisfaction side items. What those are may differ from person to person. For me that means chips and fries for the most part and sodas. If I don't get the potato/corn based sides, I can pretty much eat any main course items I normally like. If you are trying to eliminate 500 calories a day from your food intake, saying no to the french fries and soda is easily 200-400 and 120-260 of that respectively depending on the sizes. Those are about the only things that I actively say no to myself for.
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This.
If a person goes back to eating the way they ate when they were overweight, they will eventually regain the weight they lost plus some.
No matter how the weight was lost, maintenance requires continued vigilance.
IMO, moderation has a better shot at working long-term because people don't feel as deprived when they can work in their favorite foods. However, that still requires that calories consumed averages out to equal (or be a little lower than) calories expended.
If more calories are consumed than are burned, weight will be gained no matter what eating plan is used.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Not in this thread.
The discussion is around how best to get and maintain a deficit - not whether a deficit is necessary or whether it will lead to weight loss.
It is about if eating in moderation works to create the needed deficit.
I guess that I am lost. I thought the OP wanted to know about "eating in moderation" was applicable to those with health issues along with is there any science behind "eating in moderation". I would assume comparing it to eating a strict controlled diet.
OP here. To clarify, I'm interested in moderations overall success as a strategy, but also was concerned that it was being advised to people with concerns about specific foods/macronutrients who might not have been fully explaining why they were concerned about specific foods or macronutrients.
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To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
IMO..."eating in moderation" doesn't mean that you have to eat every food that is out there known to mankind. If there is a food that you struggle with...then don't eat it. There are several foods that I used to eat that I no longer do because I just can't seem to moderate them. I did however replace them other foods that I could.
My definition of "eating in moderation" is not eliminating any food group. Also "eating in moderation" doesn't mean that you have to eat them every day/week/month. I like ice cream bars...I only eat them a couple of times a month. Love pizza...I stick to 2 slices twice a month. Reduced fat Cheezits...I have to leave on the shelf...I eat the whole box. Just because I leave them on the shelf doesn't mean that I can't center my diet around "eating in moderation".
Thanks, this seems like a more practical version of EIM.
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This is an internet forum for discussion between strangers, not a certified doctor's office. It is not required to include fine print for every possible situation. Everyone who reads needs to adapt posts to their own needs. If specific concerns need to be addressed, the poster needs to include those concerns in their question.brianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Not in this thread.
The discussion is around how best to get and maintain a deficit - not whether a deficit is necessary or whether it will lead to weight loss.
It is about if eating in moderation works to create the needed deficit.
I guess that I am lost. I thought the OP wanted to know about "eating in moderation" was applicable to those with health issues along with is there any science behind "eating in moderation". I would assume comparing it to eating a strict controlled diet.
OP here. To clarify, I'm interested in moderations overall success as a strategy, but also was concerned that it was being advised to people with concerns about specific foods/macronutrients who might not have been fully explaining why they were concerned about specific foods or macronutrients.
If every contingency were included in every post, they would all be pages long.0 -
I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Have there been any studies or articles posted on the credibility of eating everything in moderation?
If you have not posted verified studies and simply your own opinion or experience, then why would you be so invested someone else's opinion or experience?
I'm trying to find the basis of all the EIM advice. I would like to know what happens to many others (I.e. a study) when EIM is used or not used as a diet or nutritional strategy.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Here you go OP:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11883916
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10336790I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Have there been any studies or articles posted on the credibility of eating everything in moderation?
If you have not posted verified studies and simply your own opinion or experience, then why would you be so invested someone else's opinion or experience?
I'm trying to find the basis of all the EIM advice. I would like to know what happens to many others (I.e. a study) when EIM is used or not used as a diet or nutritional strategy.
I am reposting Alyssa's post in case you missed it. These two articles might help.0 -
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I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Have there been any studies or articles posted on the credibility of eating everything in moderation?
If you have not posted verified studies and simply your own opinion or experience, then why would you be so invested someone else's opinion or experience?
I'm trying to find the basis of all the EIM advice.
That's like trying to find the basis of all the Jesus talk.
Seriously.
People believe what they want to believe, and then rationalize it with whatever evidence they can find or make. It's how we're built.
Just figure out what works for you, and don't worry about the rest.
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What is the opposite of EIM? EEYS (Eat Everything You See)?0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Here you go OP:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11883916
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10336790I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Have there been any studies or articles posted on the credibility of eating everything in moderation?
If you have not posted verified studies and simply your own opinion or experience, then why would you be so invested someone else's opinion or experience?
I'm trying to find the basis of all the EIM advice. I would like to know what happens to many others (I.e. a study) when EIM is used or not used as a diet or nutritional strategy.
I am reposting Alyssa's post in case you missed it. These two articles might help.
lol I especially liked this bit:
"The second strongest canonical correlation (r=0.59) associated calorie counting and conscious dieting with overeating while alone and increased body mass."
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galgenstrick wrote: »
What is the opposite of EIM? EEYS (Eat Everything You See)?
This has already been addressed multiple times - in MFP-land, the opposite of EIM is to eliminate trigger foods, or avoid entire categories of food altogether as the way to get to a deficit.
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galgenstrick wrote: »
What is the opposite of EIM? EEYS (Eat Everything You See)?
This has already been addressed multiple times - in MFP-land, the opposite of EIM is to eliminate trigger foods, or avoid entire categories of food altogether as the way to get to a deficit.
Hmmm, I guess I missed it. That doesn't exactly seem like an opposite to me.0 -
Just do what works for you. There is no One True Path to weight loss. If it works for you, that's what you do. And if the whole rest of the world screams that it's wrong, then let them scream. Just keep losing your weight.
They can't lose your weight. Only you can lose your weight.
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Right above that was this:AlabasterVerve wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Here you go OP:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11883916
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10336790I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Have there been any studies or articles posted on the credibility of eating everything in moderation?
If you have not posted verified studies and simply your own opinion or experience, then why would you be so invested someone else's opinion or experience?
I'm trying to find the basis of all the EIM advice. I would like to know what happens to many others (I.e. a study) when EIM is used or not used as a diet or nutritional strategy.
I am reposting Alyssa's post in case you missed it. These two articles might help.
lol I especially liked this bit:
"The second strongest canonical correlation (r=0.59) associated calorie counting and conscious dieting with overeating while alone and increased body mass."
"The strongest canonical correlation (r=0.65) was the relationship between flexible dieting and the absence of overeating, lower body mass and lower levels of depression and anxiety."
I found it a little odd that they separated out calorie counting from "flexible dieting" like you can't do both at the same time.
I'm basically doing flexible dieting within calorie counting.
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Just do what works for you. There is no One True Path to weight loss. If it works for you, that's what you do. And if the whole rest of the world screams that it's wrong, then let them scream. Just keep losing your weight.
They can't lose your weight. Only you can lose your weight.
Yes there is: CI/CO = weight loss/maintaining/weight gain (medical issues might make it little harder, but it's still CI/CO)
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Eating in moderation is the only diet strategy that works. It doesn't matter what diet plan you follow, the only way to lose weight is to moderate the amount of food you eat so that you are eating less than you burn on a daily basis.0
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To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to considerh that there are foods you should avoid.
IMO..."eating in moderation" doesn't mean that you have to eat every food that is out there known to mankind. If there is a food that you struggle with...then don't eat it. There are several foods that I used to eat that I no longer do because I just can't seem to moderate them. I did however replace them other foods that I could.
My definition of "eating in moderation" is not eliminating any food group. Also "eating in moderation" doesn't mean that you have to eat them every day/week/month. I like ice cream bars...I only eat them a couple of times a month. Love pizza...I stick to 2 slices twice a month. Reduced fat Cheezits...I have to leave on the shelf...I eat the whole box. Just because I leave them on the shelf doesn't mean that I can't center my diet around "eating in moderation".
and This ^.
The dietary point is up to the op to disclose. diabetic, hp, allergies, etc
Many advise with disclaimer... "except if you have a medical condition"..
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Let me get this straight. You are claiming that "CI/CO = weight loss/maintaining/weight gain" is the One True Path to weight loss?
Just do what works for you. There is no One True Path to weight loss. If it works for you, that's what you do. And if the whole rest of the world screams that it's wrong, then let them scream. Just keep losing your weight.
They can't lose your weight. Only you can lose your weight.
Yes there is: CI/CO = weight loss/maintaining/weight gain (medical issues might make it little harder, but it's still CI/CO)
Wouldn't want to misquote.0 -
Let me get this straight. You are claiming that "CI/CO = weight loss/maintaining/weight gain" is the One True Path to weight loss?
Just do what works for you. There is no One True Path to weight loss. If it works for you, that's what you do. And if the whole rest of the world screams that it's wrong, then let them scream. Just keep losing your weight.
They can't lose your weight. Only you can lose your weight.
Yes there is: CI/CO = weight loss/maintaining/weight gain (medical issues might make it little harder, but it's still CI/CO)
Wouldn't want to misquote.
How else would you lose weight?0
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