After only 3 weeks, I've dropped an entire pound!!! Woo Hoo!!
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I made fish pie the other night, one not very large portion came out to nearly 900 calories versus the mostly sub 500 calorie entries in the database. A slightly larger portion with some veggies on the side and that could be a 1000 plus calorie meal! You have no idea what you're eating if you don't know exactly what is in the meal and what a reasonable serving actually looks like.
Aside from that, men of your age lose weight all the time so all these metabolic slowing excuses you're coming up with don't really hold much water. It's about your logging. End of story. Because science. But you defy science don't you, little special snowflake.0 -
If you really don't want to weigh your food, try this experiment. For one week eat only packaged or frozen meals. The calorie counts will be off by 10% and you will have more sodium than usual, but your calories will be pretty accurate. Eat a frozen meal for lunch and dinner. Eat two eggs and a piece of toast for breakfast. No added condiments. Nothing that needs to be weighed or measured. See if you lose weight after a week. If you do lose weight, then you will know you have been inaccurate in your tracking by enough to make a difference. Buy a scale and stop with the excuses. One week of truly eating 1200 calories and you should lose some weight, even with the added sodium. If you haven't lost any weight on a week of 1200 calories per day of premeasured food, then something is definitely wrong.0
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If you really don't want to weigh your food, try this experiment. For one week eat only packaged or frozen meals. The calorie counts will be off by 10% and you will have more sodium than usual, but your calories will be pretty accurate. Eat a frozen meal for lunch and dinner. Eat two eggs and a piece of toast for breakfast. No added condiments. Nothing that needs to be weighed or measured. See if you lose weight after a week. If you do lose weight, then you will know you have been inaccurate in your tracking by enough to make a difference. Buy a scale and stop with the excuses. One week of truly eating 1200 calories and you should lose some weight, even with the added sodium. If you haven't lost any weight on a week of 1200 calories per day of premeasured food, then something is definitely wrong.
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purelyprimitives wrote: »Let's assume your dinner is 1730 calories... how would you know? Because you're eyeballing it? Have you checked out the link I sent you to the ADA? Their exchange diet has helped lots of people lose weight without scales.
I did check it out and will use it. A 1730 calorie dinner would be some dinner!
The scale question was a actually a serious one. I just looked at our bread package. Each slice is 43 grams for 120 calories. From here, I suppose you would divide the grams into the total calories to get a 'cals per gram' unit of measure which, in this case, would be 2.8 cals per gram. So if 1 slice of bread actually measured 45 grams instead of 43 are people actually adding an additional 5 calories??? Seriously?
Listen to us, trust us, and get to a healthy weight, or stay stubborn, cross your fingers, and stay obese. Your choice.
Here's the link again to the ADA diet if you prefer to not weigh food. It's similar to the Richard Simmon's "Dial-a-Meal" program that helped thousands of obese people lose weight and improve their health. glycemic.com/DiabeticExchange/The%20Diabetic%20Exchange%20List.pdf
Here's a link to a book with exchange lists. If you PM me your address, I'll mail you mine. Or if you have a kindle, I will send you a gift card (if you give me your kindle/amazon info).
amazon.com/Official-Pocket-Guide-Diabetic-Exchanges/dp/1580404456/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440018349&sr=8-1&keywords=exchange+diet+book
STFU. Stop making excuses. Stop whining. Open your eyes.
Edit for: mixed up my Simmons...
YOU are awesome!0 -
A lot of people under estimate their calorie intake.
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if you move more, you can eat more. :P0 -
If you really don't want to weigh your food, try this experiment. For one week eat only packaged or frozen meals. The calorie counts will be off by 10% and you will have more sodium than usual, but your calories will be pretty accurate. Eat a frozen meal for lunch and dinner. Eat two eggs and a piece of toast for breakfast. No added condiments. Nothing that needs to be weighed or measured. See if you lose weight after a week. If you do lose weight, then you will know you have been inaccurate in your tracking by enough to make a difference. Buy a scale and stop with the excuses. One week of truly eating 1200 calories and you should lose some weight, even with the added sodium. If you haven't lost any weight on a week of 1200 calories per day of premeasured food, then something is definitely wrong.
GREAT IDEA.
Pretty genius, actually!
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purelyprimitives wrote: »Let's assume your dinner is 1730 calories... how would you know? Because you're eyeballing it? Have you checked out the link I sent you to the ADA? Their exchange diet has helped lots of people lose weight without scales.
I did check it out and will use it. A 1730 calorie dinner would be some dinner!
Actually it's not really. Case in point....I used to routinely go to one of my favorite local places for a chopped salad. It came with some really yummy house dressing and a lemon poppy seed muffin. Sounds pretty healthy, huh? Well, when I stated counting calories, here's what I found: the salad is 400 calories, one dressing packet, 250 and they gave two. And the kicker? The little yummy muffin had 495! That right there is 1400 calories. Never mind the slice of chocolate cake I would get for dessert.....at 350 calories (less than the muffin, mind you but still)....so no, doing that many calories for a meal is not out of scope. If you don't know that and won't log, well then.....good luck to you!0 -
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purelyprimitives wrote: »Anyway, for me I just meant that if you would put the same amount of effort you've expended finding all these outlandish reasons you mustn't be losing weight into getting a food scale, you could obtain one, free or not. There's no point pretending the reason you don't have one isn't because you're resisting the idea tooth and nail. There just isn't.
Whether they are "outlandish" or not remains to be seen. It is fairly well established that older men suffer from several hormonal deficiencies and all have adverse effects on causing a loss of lean muscle mass and adding adipose fat. Restricting calories and increasing exercise can slow the process but not stop it entirely.
I had 2 cups of coffee for breakfast @ 35 calories. This afternoon for lunch my wife made tuna salad sandwiches. The entire can of tuna was 120 calories, 2 tablespoons of mayo at 180 calories, sliced tomato and lettuce on a roll that was supposedly 180 calories. So, the total tuna salad which we split was 300 calories divided in half was 150 calories a piece, 180 for the roll and about 35 for the tomato and lettuce equals around 365 calories for lunch. This is a typical lunch for me. Let's assume my dinner will have twice the calories at 730. This equals 1130 calories eaten by evening. My TDEE is 2150. So, I have 1000 calories to go after dinner.
If I had a scale I could weigh the roll or the tuna but what would that tell me that the package didn't already tell me? I suppose the mayo could be off but it would have to REALLY be off.
OK, let's break this down a bit.
- coffee: itself has virtually no calories, so what exactly did you add to it to come to the 35 calories figure? sugar, milk, cream? in what quantities? if you had two cups, and you added any of the above, this number feels low.
- lunch: were the two tablespoons done with measuring table spoon, with the mayo flattened off? If yes, then your 180 cals figure is reasonable. If however, it was with a regular tablespoon, and done in the more "rounded" or "heaping" manner, than you can probably triple those calories.
- Did you share the tuna exactly evenly, or like in my house, did you eat 60%, and your wife at 40%? If so, that's another 20% calorie increase for you.
- The roll could easily be 300 cals, rather than 180.
- NET: your 365 cals could have been 650 cals
- dinner: Using your own scaling assumption, if your dinner was twice the caloric content of your lunch, or 1300 cals, your total for the day has exceeded 2000 cals.
This is why we've been emphasising the importance of accurate weighing and measuring when determining intake.
We've all been there. Until we started weighing and measuring, we had no clue by how much we had been previously overeating. This, along with your weight hovering in the 230s, is why we are convinced you are taking in more calories than you believe you are.
Edited to add - you've previous noted having a snack or two each day. You didn't list those. What were they? There could be several hundred more calories here as well.0 -
purelyprimitives wrote: »Anyway, for me I just meant that if you would put the same amount of effort you've expended finding all these outlandish reasons you mustn't be losing weight into getting a food scale, you could obtain one, free or not. There's no point pretending the reason you don't have one isn't because you're resisting the idea tooth and nail. There just isn't.
Whether they are "outlandish" or not remains to be seen. It is fairly well established that older men suffer from several hormonal deficiencies and all have adverse effects on causing a loss of lean muscle mass and adding adipose fat. Restricting calories and increasing exercise can slow the process but not stop it entirely.
I had 2 cups of coffee for breakfast @ 35 calories. This afternoon for lunch my wife made tuna salad sandwiches. The entire can of tuna was 120 calories, 2 tablespoons of mayo at 180 calories, sliced tomato and lettuce on a roll that was supposedly 180 calories. So, the total tuna salad which we split was 300 calories divided in half was 150 calories a piece, 180 for the roll and about 35 for the tomato and lettuce equals around 365 calories for lunch. This is a typical lunch for me. Let's assume my dinner will have twice the calories at 730. This equals 1130 calories eaten by evening. My TDEE is 2150. So, I have 1000 calories to go after dinner.
If I had a scale I could weigh the roll or the tuna but what would that tell me that the package didn't already tell me? I suppose the mayo could be off but it would have to REALLY be off.
OK, let's break this down a bit.
- coffee: itself has virtually no calories, so what exactly did you add to it to come to the 35 calories figure? sugar, milk, cream? in what quantities? if you had two cups, and you added any of the above, this number feels low.
- lunch: were the two tablespoons done with measuring table spoon, with the mayo flattened off? If yes, then your 180 cals figure is reasonable. If however, it was with a regular tablespoon, and done in the more "rounded" or "heaping" manner, than you can probably triple those calories.
- Did you share the tuna exactly evenly, or like in my house, did you eat 60%, and your wife at 40%? If so, that's another 20% calorie increase for you.
- The roll could easily be 300 cals, rather than 180.
- NET: your 365 cals could have been 650 cals
- dinner: Using your own scaling assumption, if your dinner was twice the caloric content of your lunch, or 1300 cals, your total for the day has exceeded 2000 cals.
This is why we've been emphasising the importance of accurate weighing and measuring when determining intake.
We've all been there. Until we started weighing and measuring, we had no clue by how much we had been previously overeating. This, along with your weight hovering in the 230s, is why we are convinced you are taking in more calories than you believe you are.
yes, exactly.
i was amazed to see an actual serving of cereal....sooooo not worth my calories unless i have a ton left at the end of the day. you can easily eat 500 more calories of cereal than you think you are eating. same with mayo, peanut butter, butter, margarine, bread...yes, i weigh my bread and rolls because they are often more than the package serving...
it really does add up. and yes, it really, truly can add up to 1,000 calories a day or more. i really encourage you to just try a food scale.....0 -
Blueseraphchaos wrote: »purelyprimitives wrote: »Anyway, for me I just meant that if you would put the same amount of effort you've expended finding all these outlandish reasons you mustn't be losing weight into getting a food scale, you could obtain one, free or not. There's no point pretending the reason you don't have one isn't because you're resisting the idea tooth and nail. There just isn't.
Whether they are "outlandish" or not remains to be seen. It is fairly well established that older men suffer from several hormonal deficiencies and all have adverse effects on causing a loss of lean muscle mass and adding adipose fat. Restricting calories and increasing exercise can slow the process but not stop it entirely.
I had 2 cups of coffee for breakfast @ 35 calories. This afternoon for lunch my wife made tuna salad sandwiches. The entire can of tuna was 120 calories, 2 tablespoons of mayo at 180 calories, sliced tomato and lettuce on a roll that was supposedly 180 calories. So, the total tuna salad which we split was 300 calories divided in half was 150 calories a piece, 180 for the roll and about 35 for the tomato and lettuce equals around 365 calories for lunch. This is a typical lunch for me. Let's assume my dinner will have twice the calories at 730. This equals 1130 calories eaten by evening. My TDEE is 2150. So, I have 1000 calories to go after dinner.
If I had a scale I could weigh the roll or the tuna but what would that tell me that the package didn't already tell me? I suppose the mayo could be off but it would have to REALLY be off.
OK, let's break this down a bit.
- coffee: itself has virtually no calories, so what exactly did you add to it to come to the 35 calories figure? sugar, milk, cream? in what quantities? if you had two cups, and you added any of the above, this number feels low.
- lunch: were the two tablespoons done with measuring table spoon, with the mayo flattened off? If yes, then your 180 cals figure is reasonable. If however, it was with a regular tablespoon, and done in the more "rounded" or "heaping" manner, than you can probably triple those calories.
- Did you share the tuna exactly evenly, or like in my house, did you eat 60%, and your wife at 40%? If so, that's another 20% calorie increase for you.
- The roll could easily be 300 cals, rather than 180.
- NET: your 365 cals could have been 650 cals
- dinner: Using your own scaling assumption, if your dinner was twice the caloric content of your lunch, or 1300 cals, your total for the day has exceeded 2000 cals.
This is why we've been emphasising the importance of accurate weighing and measuring when determining intake.
We've all been there. Until we started weighing and measuring, we had no clue by how much we had been previously overeating. This, along with your weight hovering in the 230s, is why we are convinced you are taking in more calories than you believe you are.
yes, exactly.
i was amazed to see an actual serving of cereal....sooooo not worth my calories unless i have a ton left at the end of the day. you can easily eat 500 more calories of cereal than you think you are eating. same with mayo, peanut butter, butter, margarine, bread...yes, i weigh my bread and rolls because they are often more than the package serving...
it really does add up. and yes, it really, truly can add up to 1,000 calories a day or more. i really encourage you to just try a food scale.....
Yes ... what is listed as a "serving" on the side of a box versus what is served on a plate is very, very different.
For example, a recommended serving of pasta is about 2 oz, which is a surprisingly small amount. Most of my life, a serving of pasta was what filled up the whole plate. So my recommended 2 oz serving of pasta, which has 200 cals, becomes 3-4x that amount, or 600-800 cals, and that's before slap on some meatballs, sausages, a liberal helping of parmesan cheese ... and next thing you know, my dinner is pushing 2000 cals! That, my friend, is how I got heavy. I thought I was eating fine, and couldn't understand what was going on. Weighing/measuring/logging enlightened me to what was going on, and and help me to turn back the clock on my weight and my health.
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i'm very lucky i hate pasta. and very unlucky that i like cereal sometimes. lololol.
weighing helps immensely. i hope that OP realizes that he can truly be overeating by 1000 calories a day without weighing. for awhile, i did my version of clean eating, and it didn't help because whole wheat pasta and homemade granola do nothing if you have no idea of intuitive eating and have no idea what a real serving is.
for the record, my homemade granola is 300 calories per serving, lol. and that serving didn't even fill me up. i have nature valley peanut butter protein granola that i cut in half and put in plain greek yogurt with fruit, but i weigh everything....that actually does fill me up.
it is absolutely amazing how much you can overeat without weighing stuff.
OP, i really hope you stop looking for excuses and give weighing food a shot before you completely give up.0 -
purelyprimitives wrote: »For me, counting calories does not work.
Bull. *kitten*. You don't defy the laws of physics.0 -
Blueseraphchaos wrote: »
it is absolutely amazing how much you can overeat without weighing stuff.
OP, i really hope you stop looking for excuses and give weighing food a shot before you completely give up.
So true ... here's an example:
First a 100 g "bowl" of cereal ... which if you follow the TV and print adverts, is what you are led to believe is an appropriate amount:
Next, a 40 g "serving" of cereal, as defined on the side of the box I grabbed out of the cupboard:
The bowl is 391 cal, the serving is 156. You might have half cup of semi-skimmed milk with the serving, but probably more like a full cup with the full bowl, so now breakfast has gone from about 220 cals to 510 cals ... a nearly 300 calorie uplift.
Repeat those extra 300 cals every day for a year, and you've packed on 25-30 lbs. Next thing you know, your maintaining weight in the 230s, wondering why you're not losing weight.
Those uncounted calories add up!!!
Note: For those of you who were wondering what the cereal was, it's "Weetabix Crispy Minis - Chocolate Chip". Not mine, my son's. He's so active, he can burn through a bowl of that, and still need more. For me, it's a more sedate bowl of oats and fruit.
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30 years is nothing. Keep at it time goes by quickly.0
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Interesting texture, that cereal0
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TIL: Gene Simmons was born Chaim Witz and has a current Net Worth of $300 million.6502programmer wrote: »0 -
that cereal looks really gross. no offense. lol.
of course, i'm sitting in a bar drinking vodka with soda water. who am i to talk? i'm here to charge my laptop but you know....0 -
Blueseraphchaos wrote: »that cereal looks really gross. no offense. lol.
of course, i'm sitting in a bar drinking vodka with soda water. who am i to talk? i'm here to charge my laptop but you know....
Yes, on second viewing, the photos are pretty poor. The cereal is kind of like a shredded wheat, but they've come out looking like chicken nuggets! I could re-do it with the Rice Krispies I've just found in the back of the cupboard, but then I'll be risking the wrath of @rabbitjb
Regardless, the point was to demonstrate a serving size, as indicated by weight on the box panel, versus a typical bowl-sized serving more commonly poured, and highlight the calorie increase as a result.
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Blueseraphchaos wrote: »that cereal looks really gross. no offense. lol.
of course, i'm sitting in a bar drinking vodka with soda water. who am i to talk? i'm here to charge my laptop but you know....
Yes, on second viewing, the photos are pretty poor. The cereal is kind of like a shredded wheat, but they've come out looking like chicken nuggets! I could re-do it with the Rice Krispies I've just found in the back of the cupboard, but then I'll be risking the wrath of @rabbitjb
Regardless, the point was to demonstrate a serving size, as indicated by weight on the box panel, versus a typical bowl-sized serving more commonly poured, and highlight the calorie increase as a result.
i understand the point totally. i hope OP does too.
but yes.......
of course, i've always hated shredded wheat too. LOL! cereal is too tough for me, so i tend to just stay away.0 -
Blueseraphchaos wrote: »that cereal looks really gross. no offense. lol.
of course, i'm sitting in a bar drinking vodka with soda water. who am i to talk? i'm here to charge my laptop but you know....
Yes, on second viewing, the photos are pretty poor. The cereal is kind of like a shredded wheat, but they've come out looking like chicken nuggets! I could re-do it with the Rice Krispies I've just found in the back of the cupboard, but then I'll be risking the wrath of @rabbitjb
Regardless, the point was to demonstrate a serving size, as indicated by weight on the box panel, versus a typical bowl-sized serving more commonly poured, and highlight the calorie increase as a result.
Double-dare you @flatlndr.
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Blueseraphchaos wrote: »that cereal looks really gross. no offense. lol.
of course, i'm sitting in a bar drinking vodka with soda water. who am i to talk? i'm here to charge my laptop but you know....
They're super delicious though. I haven't seen them on the shelves in a long time though.0 -
Blueseraphchaos wrote: »that cereal looks really gross. no offense. lol.
of course, i'm sitting in a bar drinking vodka with soda water. who am i to talk? i'm here to charge my laptop but you know....
Yes, on second viewing, the photos are pretty poor. The cereal is kind of like a shredded wheat, but they've come out looking like chicken nuggets! I could re-do it with the Rice Krispies I've just found in the back of the cupboard, but then I'll be risking the wrath of @rabbitjb
Regardless, the point was to demonstrate a serving size, as indicated by weight on the box panel, versus a typical bowl-sized serving more commonly poured, and highlight the calorie increase as a result.
Double-dare you @flatlndr.
Not being one to turn down a dare (well, this one, at least), I poured out 30g of Rice Krispies, and i was surprised how much volume it took up. And at 60g, the serving size was well rounded. I don't think I could have fit 100g into the bowl ... same size bowl as before.
I know @rabbitjb will be disappointed, but even so, it's not worth posting pictures ... this time. Maybe I'll cook up some pasta to illustrate the previous assertion ...
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So @purelyprimitives ... your blood test was scheduled for Sep 1, your results were expected 3 days later. Do tell ...0
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So @purelyprimitives ... your blood test was scheduled for Sep 1, your results were expected 3 days later. Do tell ...
While the bump was a nice attempt to catch up, the OP deactivated. I'm guessing the blood results weren't what she wanted to hear...0
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