cut down on sodium! !!
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People did come into the ER for exactly that when I worked at the hospital for nine years. So yes, I've seen it. Personally.0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »shadowfax_c11 wrote: »Sodium deficiency (hyponatremia) is a thing and it isn't something you want. We need sodium to live. Unless your Dr has told you that you need to watch sodium for health reasons don't get too caught up in trying to reduce it.
Um, this is pretty rare and usually because of illness or medications. If you are eating food and not taking medication that depletes sodium it's pretty hard not to get enough. We really don't need much.
You need to go back and read the whole thread......
Fear mongering over too little sodium won't change the facts.
It's hardly fear mongering. Telling people to watch out for sodium when they don't need to is fear mongering.
Perhaps, but that doesn't negate the other fear mongering. And which is more rare, a person getting too little or a person getting too much?
*counts number of replies where sodium was too low
*counts number of replies where sodium was too high
Looks like too little has dominated this discussion. I've seen complaints of cramping, dizziness, fatigue, loss of consciousness...
The major complaints about too much sodium have been water retention and an annoying red number on the MFP diary.
LOL I wasn't talking about this thread silly. I meant in general. You know, statistics.
Medically speaking, eating too much sodium doesn't affect the general population unless there is a blood pressure problem. Also medically speaking not getting enough sodium does. And it happens more often than people think. People new to weight loss and exercise often don't realize that the reason they get light headed and pass out, and also experience muscle cramping, is because they cut their dietary sodium too far and drink too much water, flushing sodium even further. Electrolytes are essential to proper body function and dietary sodium is an important source of part of those electrolytes. Just because it's not something you have heard of, does not mean it's not a very real thing.
I didn't say I'd never heard of it, I asked which was more common.0 -
I'll just leave a little info from experts on high sodium intake here for those that might be interested. Believe whoever/whatever you want.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/salt-and-sodium/sodium-health-risks-and-disease/
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/sodium/art-20045479
http://www.cdc.gov/salt/
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/About-Sodium-Salt_UCM_463416_Article.jsp?gclid=CM-vz4GryccCFUcXHwodVKsFvA
http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/111114p26.shtml0 -
Yes. A little info, indeed.
It seems mostly to revolve around high blood pressure. If you don't have high blood pressure and your blood pressure isn't turning into a problem...0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »Yes. A little info, indeed.
It seems mostly to revolve around high blood pressure. If you don't have high blood pressure and your blood pressure isn't turning into a problem...
Mostly, yes. That is the biggest concern. Do you know the statistics on high BP?
http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_bloodpressure.htm
Exceeding the sodium recommendation is obviously not going to be a problem for everyone. That's true of any RDA. They are general rules. But what sense if there in telling every user that asks about sodium that it's okay to ignore the RDA when it is likely to be harmful more often than not?0 -
If you look back over the thread, like the sugar threads, there's a whole lot of "If you don't have a medical condition..." prefacing the comments. Do you see those? Do you agree that that's not the same thing as will-nilly telling every user to ignore sodium intake?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »Yes. A little info, indeed.
It seems mostly to revolve around high blood pressure. If you don't have high blood pressure and your blood pressure isn't turning into a problem...
Mostly, yes. That is the biggest concern. Do you know the statistics on high BP?
http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_bloodpressure.htm
Exceeding the sodium recommendation is obviously not going to be a problem for everyone. That's true of any RDA. They are general rules. But what sense if there in telling every user that asks about sodium that it's okay to ignore the RDA when it is likely to be harmful more often than not?
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
If you look back over the thread, like the sugar threads, there's a whole lot of "If you don't have a medical condition..." prefacing the comments. Do you see those? Do you agree that that's not the same thing as will-nilly telling every user to ignore sodium intake?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »Yes. A little info, indeed.
It seems mostly to revolve around high blood pressure. If you don't have high blood pressure and your blood pressure isn't turning into a problem...
Mostly, yes. That is the biggest concern. Do you know the statistics on high BP?
http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_bloodpressure.htm
Exceeding the sodium recommendation is obviously not going to be a problem for everyone. That's true of any RDA. They are general rules. But what sense if there in telling every user that asks about sodium that it's okay to ignore the RDA when it is likely to be harmful more often than not?
No, because high sodium is associated with causing disease not just exacerbating it. Just because your BP is high today doesn't mean it won't be later. 1/3 of Americans have high BP. Another 1/3 have pre-hypertension. For some populations the numbers are much higher. Eat all the sodium you want. It's your life, but saying it's fine for everyone who doesn't have a disease right now makes no sense given the available data.0 -
So saying "If you don't have a medical condition..." is the same thing to you as willy-nilly telling everyone to ignore sodium intake? Wow. Just wow.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
If you look back over the thread, like the sugar threads, there's a whole lot of "If you don't have a medical condition..." prefacing the comments. Do you see those? Do you agree that that's not the same thing as will-nilly telling every user to ignore sodium intake?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »Yes. A little info, indeed.
It seems mostly to revolve around high blood pressure. If you don't have high blood pressure and your blood pressure isn't turning into a problem...
Mostly, yes. That is the biggest concern. Do you know the statistics on high BP?
http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_bloodpressure.htm
Exceeding the sodium recommendation is obviously not going to be a problem for everyone. That's true of any RDA. They are general rules. But what sense if there in telling every user that asks about sodium that it's okay to ignore the RDA when it is likely to be harmful more often than not?
No, because high sodium is associated with causing disease not just exacerbating it. Just because your BP is high today doesn't mean it won't be later. 1/3 of Americans have high BP. Another 1/3 have pre-hypertension. For some populations the numbers are much higher. Eat all the sodium you want. It's your life, but saying it's fine for everyone who doesn't have a disease right now makes no sense given the available data.
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
So saying "If you don't have a medical condition..." is the same thing to you as willy-nilly telling everyone to ignore sodium intake? Wow. Just wow.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
If you look back over the thread, like the sugar threads, there's a whole lot of "If you don't have a medical condition..." prefacing the comments. Do you see those? Do you agree that that's not the same thing as will-nilly telling every user to ignore sodium intake?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »Yes. A little info, indeed.
It seems mostly to revolve around high blood pressure. If you don't have high blood pressure and your blood pressure isn't turning into a problem...
Mostly, yes. That is the biggest concern. Do you know the statistics on high BP?
http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_bloodpressure.htm
Exceeding the sodium recommendation is obviously not going to be a problem for everyone. That's true of any RDA. They are general rules. But what sense if there in telling every user that asks about sodium that it's okay to ignore the RDA when it is likely to be harmful more often than not?
No, because high sodium is associated with causing disease not just exacerbating it. Just because your BP is high today doesn't mean it won't be later. 1/3 of Americans have high BP. Another 1/3 have pre-hypertension. For some populations the numbers are much higher. Eat all the sodium you want. It's your life, but saying it's fine for everyone who doesn't have a disease right now makes no sense given the available data.
It's implying that there is no danger until you have the disease, is it not?
And at least one post said BP was the ONLY concern. It's the most common, but not the only disease with which high sodium is linked. One even implied the RDA was fear mongering.0 -
Just throwing this monkey wrench into the works, but aren't there murmurs that they're going to revise the guidelines on sodium just like they did on cholesterol?0
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No, it isn't. High blood pressure isn't a binary condition, for one thing. If one is eating a lot of sodium and blood pressure is increasing, that's possibly a concern. There's no need to wait for full-blown hypertension to address that concern.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
So saying "If you don't have a medical condition..." is the same thing to you as willy-nilly telling everyone to ignore sodium intake? Wow. Just wow.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
If you look back over the thread, like the sugar threads, there's a whole lot of "If you don't have a medical condition..." prefacing the comments. Do you see those? Do you agree that that's not the same thing as will-nilly telling every user to ignore sodium intake?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »Yes. A little info, indeed.
It seems mostly to revolve around high blood pressure. If you don't have high blood pressure and your blood pressure isn't turning into a problem...
Mostly, yes. That is the biggest concern. Do you know the statistics on high BP?
http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_bloodpressure.htm
Exceeding the sodium recommendation is obviously not going to be a problem for everyone. That's true of any RDA. They are general rules. But what sense if there in telling every user that asks about sodium that it's okay to ignore the RDA when it is likely to be harmful more often than not?
No, because high sodium is associated with causing disease not just exacerbating it. Just because your BP is high today doesn't mean it won't be later. 1/3 of Americans have high BP. Another 1/3 have pre-hypertension. For some populations the numbers are much higher. Eat all the sodium you want. It's your life, but saying it's fine for everyone who doesn't have a disease right now makes no sense given the available data.
It's implying that there is no danger until you have the disease, is it not?
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PeachyCarol wrote: »Just throwing this monkey wrench into the works, but aren't there murmurs that they're going to revise the guidelines on sodium just like they did on cholesterol?
From what I've read no. Some groups have proposed lowering it, but so far there isn't enough consensus on that recommendation for the general public.
Did the RDA for cholesterol change?0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »Just throwing this monkey wrench into the works, but aren't there murmurs that they're going to revise the guidelines on sodium just like they did on cholesterol?
I've heard some mumblings from the doctors at work but I don't think they have anything concrete yet.0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »
No, it isn't. High blood pressure isn't a binary condition, for one thing. If one is eating a lot of sodium and blood pressure is increasing, that's possibly a concern. There's no need to wait for full-blown hypertension to address that concern.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
So saying "If you don't have a medical condition..." is the same thing to you as willy-nilly telling everyone to ignore sodium intake? Wow. Just wow.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
If you look back over the thread, like the sugar threads, there's a whole lot of "If you don't have a medical condition..." prefacing the comments. Do you see those? Do you agree that that's not the same thing as will-nilly telling every user to ignore sodium intake?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »Yes. A little info, indeed.
It seems mostly to revolve around high blood pressure. If you don't have high blood pressure and your blood pressure isn't turning into a problem...
Mostly, yes. That is the biggest concern. Do you know the statistics on high BP?
http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_bloodpressure.htm
Exceeding the sodium recommendation is obviously not going to be a problem for everyone. That's true of any RDA. They are general rules. But what sense if there in telling every user that asks about sodium that it's okay to ignore the RDA when it is likely to be harmful more often than not?
No, because high sodium is associated with causing disease not just exacerbating it. Just because your BP is high today doesn't mean it won't be later. 1/3 of Americans have high BP. Another 1/3 have pre-hypertension. For some populations the numbers are much higher. Eat all the sodium you want. It's your life, but saying it's fine for everyone who doesn't have a disease right now makes no sense given the available data.
It's implying that there is no danger until you have the disease, is it not?
Rising BP that isn't hypertension or pre-hypertension isn't a "medical condition". But, I'm done arguing this. I've posted data from reliable sources for anyone that is interested.0 -
There is a LOT of talk about the fact that salt itself, and not sodium necessarily, is more of a problem.PeachyCarol wrote: »Just throwing this monkey wrench into the works, but aren't there murmurs that they're going to revise the guidelines on sodium just like they did on cholesterol?
The only people I've seen giving the advice that you should not watch your sodium are MFP posters. Real experts all recommend limiting it.
Real experts do not say, "Wait until your salt intake has caused you to develop a cardiovascular issue, then limit your salt." They tend to suggest limiting your salt intake so that you don't develop a cardiovascular issue.
It's kind of a common-sense thing, too. If your body is bloating up to fight the salt off, maybe you're taking in too much salt.
Most people are taking in too much salt. Also, too little potassium. Why MFP posters insist the opposite to be the case, I don't know. I'm always seeing people say, "You're probably getting enough potassium" and "Don't worry about salt. Worry about not getting enough salt." Since the opposite is the case for most people, why assume that everyone is probably the exception?
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That's completely laughable. You should tell my doctor so he'll know.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
No, it isn't. High blood pressure isn't a binary condition, for one thing. If one is eating a lot of sodium and blood pressure is increasing, that's possibly a concern. There's no need to wait for full-blown hypertension to address that concern.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
So saying "If you don't have a medical condition..." is the same thing to you as willy-nilly telling everyone to ignore sodium intake? Wow. Just wow.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
If you look back over the thread, like the sugar threads, there's a whole lot of "If you don't have a medical condition..." prefacing the comments. Do you see those? Do you agree that that's not the same thing as will-nilly telling every user to ignore sodium intake?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »Yes. A little info, indeed.
It seems mostly to revolve around high blood pressure. If you don't have high blood pressure and your blood pressure isn't turning into a problem...
Mostly, yes. That is the biggest concern. Do you know the statistics on high BP?
http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_bloodpressure.htm
Exceeding the sodium recommendation is obviously not going to be a problem for everyone. That's true of any RDA. They are general rules. But what sense if there in telling every user that asks about sodium that it's okay to ignore the RDA when it is likely to be harmful more often than not?
No, because high sodium is associated with causing disease not just exacerbating it. Just because your BP is high today doesn't mean it won't be later. 1/3 of Americans have high BP. Another 1/3 have pre-hypertension. For some populations the numbers are much higher. Eat all the sodium you want. It's your life, but saying it's fine for everyone who doesn't have a disease right now makes no sense given the available data.
It's implying that there is no danger until you have the disease, is it not?
Rising BP that isn't hypertension isn't a "medical condition".
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
That's completely laughable. You should tell my doctor so he'll know.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
No, it isn't. High blood pressure isn't a binary condition, for one thing. If one is eating a lot of sodium and blood pressure is increasing, that's possibly a concern. There's no need to wait for full-blown hypertension to address that concern.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
So saying "If you don't have a medical condition..." is the same thing to you as willy-nilly telling everyone to ignore sodium intake? Wow. Just wow.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
If you look back over the thread, like the sugar threads, there's a whole lot of "If you don't have a medical condition..." prefacing the comments. Do you see those? Do you agree that that's not the same thing as will-nilly telling every user to ignore sodium intake?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »Yes. A little info, indeed.
It seems mostly to revolve around high blood pressure. If you don't have high blood pressure and your blood pressure isn't turning into a problem...
Mostly, yes. That is the biggest concern. Do you know the statistics on high BP?
http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_bloodpressure.htm
Exceeding the sodium recommendation is obviously not going to be a problem for everyone. That's true of any RDA. They are general rules. But what sense if there in telling every user that asks about sodium that it's okay to ignore the RDA when it is likely to be harmful more often than not?
No, because high sodium is associated with causing disease not just exacerbating it. Just because your BP is high today doesn't mean it won't be later. 1/3 of Americans have high BP. Another 1/3 have pre-hypertension. For some populations the numbers are much higher. Eat all the sodium you want. It's your life, but saying it's fine for everyone who doesn't have a disease right now makes no sense given the available data.
It's implying that there is no danger until you have the disease, is it not?
Rising BP that isn't hypertension isn't a "medical condition".
Haven't you heard? Doctors should be ignored when they disagree with the MFP forums. They have no training in nutrition.0 -
I'm pretty sure if you go back to a previous post of mine, I specifically said 'electrolytes'. All electrolytes are a concern, and get reduced when dietary changes are made when people try to lose weight. This is one of the reasons that I always encourage people NOT to eliminate foods from their diet when starting a weight loss program. Eliminating foods and then increasing water intake, especially when increasing activity levels, such as starting an exercise program, will wash out all types of electrolytes from the body and cause problems.
And to assume that just because someone is an MFP poster makes them not a health care expert is a pretty silly assumption. People can be both. I've worked in medical care for more than a decade, and I know several others who are nurses, and other medical experts. Don't discount our advice just because it appears here on MFP. We are using real-world knowledge and experience.0 -
I'm pretty sure if you go back to a previous post of mine, I specifically said 'electrolytes'. All electrolytes are a concern, and get reduced when dietary changes are made when people try to lose weight. This is one of the reasons that I always encourage people NOT to eliminate foods from their diet when starting a weight loss program. Eliminating foods and then increasing water intake, especially when increasing activity levels, such as starting an exercise program, will wash out all electrolytes from the body and cause problems.
And to assume that just because someone is an MFP poster makes them not a health care expert is a pretty silly assumption. People can be both. I've worked in medical care for more than a decade, and I know several others who are nurses, and other medical experts. Don't discount our advice just because it appears here on MFP. We are using real-world knowledge and experience.
Nurse =/= expert on nutrition. The RDA are set by the people who teach nurses and doctor and dieticians and those that do research and peer review research. Those are experts. If the choice is 'assume people on MFP are experts' vs. 'assume people on MFP are not experts', which is more often going to be a correct assumption?0
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