Eat to Live
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abetterluke wrote: »A quick search brings up a website that looks like it's selling something Dr. Oz would endorse. So strike 1. If Dr. Oz really did endorse it I'd take it with a grain of salt...
although I'm sure Dr. Oz has already endorsed another diet involving taking grains of salt and has told people they'll lose 80lbs per week.
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My philosophy is: Eat to live and NOT Live to Eat as a way to control my weight. I am not a vegan or a vegetarian and according with lemurcat12 posting, that diet is waaaay to restrictive..Where is the beef (protein)?
In the beans and legumes. You don't need to consume animals to get protein.
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Looks like lots of opinions from people who've not read or tried the plan.
I went on it for 3 months, lost 30ish pounds, and my blood numbers plummeted back to normal ranges. Sugar, triglycerides, Cholesterol were all high before hand. I didn't follow religiously, still had some lean meats, eggs, never got hungry.
I went off for about a year of trying to eyeball it, and blood numbers were back to crap, but not as bad as before Eat to Live.
I'm back on it. My numbers are back on the slide. Feel so much better with a majority of plant based foods.
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There's nothing wrong with a plant based diet.
Eat to Live isn't just a plant based diet, though.
It goes beyond that in dictating a macro and content balance that's very restrictive.
What's the reasoning behind it?
BTW, my numbers all went down, simply by losing weight. I eat a reasonable amount of fat and eat dairy products. You don't need to do this type of plan to improve your health markers.0 -
Great_Mazinga wrote: »Looks like lots of opinions from people who've not read or tried the plan.
I went on it for 3 months, lost 30ish pounds, and my blood numbers plummeted back to normal ranges. Sugar, triglycerides, Cholesterol were all high before hand. I didn't follow religiously, still had some lean meats, eggs, never got hungry.
I went off for about a year of trying to eyeball it, and blood numbers were back to crap, but not as bad as before Eat to Live.
I'm back on it. My numbers are back on the slide. Feel so much better with a majority of plant based foods.
Well, then you didn't do the program as written. You can't tell people they have no business commenting if they haven't tried it when you yourself went completely off the program by adding meat and eggs.0 -
I really think the point of diets like this is that they can say "oh, you don't have to keep track, eat whatever you want" (of what's included) and people will lose weight since it's really hard to overeat.
It's just as restrictive to count oz of nuts and avocado like this as to log foods, IMO, even apart from how ridiculously restrictive the food selection is, but ah, well.
I admit the main difficulty for me would be the veganism, though.
I ran calories out of curiosity and could hit my current ones but was low (65 g) on protein. Could fix that by upping the beans, I suppose and rearranging the other calories. (I'm assuming tofu is a no-go, though, since processed.)
Even with the 65 grams and about 1500 calories the fiber was off the charts (over 80), so I imagine many people would be quite full, if they are people for whom that matters.
Might create issues, though.0 -
being vegan is amazing and i love it
but i also love my vegan brownies and other vegan 'junk' foods sooo0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »My philosophy is: Eat to live and NOT Live to Eat as a way to control my weight. I am not a vegan or a vegetarian and according with lemurcat12 posting, that diet is waaaay to restrictive..Where is the beef (protein)?
In the beans and legumes. You don't need to consume animals to get protein.
Yes I know, but too many carbs in beans and legumes (which I do like and eat in moderation/occasional) to get minimal amount of protein. Not for me.
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I'm very certain I won't pay anyone to tell me what I should and shouldn't eat
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The eat to live diet by Dr. Fuhrman is also referred to as the anti cancer diet. Studies from around 2013 suggest that eating meat and dairy can lead to cancer by activating the oncogene - or something like that. Each Dr has their own belief. There are a plethora of studies to act as pros for theirs cons against the others. Who are we to say that any of these studies are wrong? There can't be harm in eating primarily plants. It is restrictive but aren't most diets? Low carb restricts carbs, low fat restricts fat, low calorie restricts calories.. Etc0
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withaflourish wrote: »I personally am allergic to Dr. Oz.
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The eat to live diet by Dr. Fuhrman is also referred to as the anti cancer diet. Studies from around 2013 suggest that eating meat and dairy can lead to cancer by activating the oncogene - or something like that. Each Dr has their own belief. There are a plethora of studies to act as pros for theirs cons against the others. Who are we to say that any of these studies are wrong? There can't be harm in eating primarily plants. It is restrictive but aren't most diets? Low carb restricts carbs, low fat restricts fat, low calorie restricts calories.. Etc
@senecarr, what logical fallacy is this?
Saying what I'd call it is against the community guidelines.
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PeachyCarol wrote: »The eat to live diet by Dr. Fuhrman is also referred to as the anti cancer diet. Studies from around 2013 suggest that eating meat and dairy can lead to cancer by activating the oncogene - or something like that. Each Dr has their own belief. There are a plethora of studies to act as pros for theirs cons against the others. Who are we to say that any of these studies are wrong? There can't be harm in eating primarily plants. It is restrictive but aren't most diets? Low carb restricts carbs, low fat restricts fat, low calorie restricts calories.. Etc
@senecarr, what logical fallacy is this?
Saying what I'd call it is against the community guidelines.
I believe that's what's referred to as the herp derp fallacy0 -
No one said it is Gospel. It is just what that particular study suggests. Personally the skittles diet can result in nothing but goodness, happiness , and puppies because it's literally tasting a rainbow. Rainbows are pretty thus good for you0
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »withaflourish wrote: »I personally am allergic to Dr. Oz.
SNORT!
Bless you. Or something.0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »I'm very certain I won't pay anyone to tell me what I should and shouldn't eat
This is really the only reply anyone should ever need for these types of threads.0 -
Which part? Who are we to say is a form of JAQing off or argument from authority to say lay people can't judge studies.PeachyCarol wrote: »The eat to live diet by Dr. Fuhrman is also referred to as the anti cancer diet. Studies from around 2013 suggest that eating meat and dairy can lead to cancer by activating the oncogene - or something like that. Each Dr has their own belief. There are a plethora of studies to act as pros for theirs cons against the others. Who are we to say that any of these studies are wrong? There can't be harm in eating primarily plants. It is restrictive but aren't most diets? Low carb restricts carbs, low fat restricts fat, low calorie restricts calories.. Etc
@senecarr, what logical fallacy is this?
Saying what I'd call it is against the community guidelines.
Saying there are a plethora of contradictory studies is a grey fallacy - studies apply to exactly what was studied so contradictions aren't necessarily there. Using only the subset that support your position is cherry picking.
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It's been 7 years since my Father passed away from Cancer. I remember his Dr telling him to eat less red meat, animal fats as well as avoiding dairy and to eat more vegetables- especially green leafy vegetables. The rationale was - plants have natural cancer fighting properties that aid in repairing and strengthening our immune system. Meats contain chemicals and toxins - micoplasms.
Thinking back - it makes sense0 -
It's been 7 years since my Father passed away from Cancer. I remember his Dr telling him to eat less red meat, animal fats as well as avoiding dairy and to eat more vegetables- especially green leafy vegetables. The rationale was - plants have natural cancer fighting properties that aid in repairing and strengthening our immune system. Meats contain chemicals and toxins - micoplasms.
Thinking back - it makes sense
Smh.0 -
Ah the expert disapproves.
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It's been 7 years since my Father passed away from Cancer. I remember his Dr telling him to eat less red meat, animal fats as well as avoiding dairy and to eat more vegetables- especially green leafy vegetables. The rationale was - plants have natural cancer fighting properties that aid in repairing and strengthening our immune system. Meats contain chemicals and toxins - micoplasms.
Thinking back - it makes sense
Vegetarians get cancer at about the same rate as omnivores. Plants also contain chemicals and toxins, I hope you know.0 -
Living causes cancer. So we look for ways to boost the immune system. Oh cell phones and sugar, microwaves also cause cancer. Not to mention the crap they pump factory raised meats with - I am sure they cause cancer.0
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Living causes cancer. So we look for ways to boost the immune system. Oh cell phones and sugar, microwaves also cause cancer. Not to mention the crap they pump factory raised meats with - I am sure they cause cancer.
Are you stating all these things as fact or are you meaning this in a tongue in cheek sort of way?
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Which part? Who are we to say is a form of JAQing off or argument from authority to say lay people can't judge studies.PeachyCarol wrote: »The eat to live diet by Dr. Fuhrman is also referred to as the anti cancer diet. Studies from around 2013 suggest that eating meat and dairy can lead to cancer by activating the oncogene - or something like that. Each Dr has their own belief. There are a plethora of studies to act as pros for theirs cons against the others. Who are we to say that any of these studies are wrong? There can't be harm in eating primarily plants. It is restrictive but aren't most diets? Low carb restricts carbs, low fat restricts fat, low calorie restricts calories.. Etc
@senecarr, what logical fallacy is this?
Saying what I'd call it is against the community guidelines.
Saying there are a plethora of contradictory studies is a grey fallacy - studies apply to exactly what was studied so contradictions aren't necessarily there. Using only the subset that support your position is cherry picking.
I knew there were a boatload of them. I was hoping you'd catch them all. Sort of like Pokemon.
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Living causes cancer. So we look for ways to boost the immune system. Oh cell phones and sugar, microwaves also cause cancer. Not to mention the crap they pump factory raised meats with - I am sure they cause cancer.
Raising your immune system is a bad thing. Ask the people here an auto-immune disorder.0 -
Living causes cancer. So we look for ways to boost the immune system. Oh cell phones and sugar, microwaves also cause cancer. Not to mention the crap they pump factory raised meats with - I am sure they cause cancer.
Raising your immune system is a bad thing. Ask the people here an auto-immune disorder.
I have RA and trying to squelch it is scary.0 -
It's been 7 years since my Father passed away from Cancer. I remember his Dr telling him to eat less red meat, animal fats as well as avoiding dairy and to eat more vegetables- especially green leafy vegetables. The rationale was - plants have natural cancer fighting properties that aid in repairing and strengthening our immune system. Meats contain chemicals and toxins - micoplasms.
Thinking back - it makes sense
I understand that this is a sensitive topic for you due to the loss of your father.
But really, you are straining the bounds of credibility here.
Vegetables have... pesticides on them.
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I'm aware of the pesticides. I'm being snarky. People seem to enjoy picking things apart. With all sarcasm aside- no matter what we do in life- we will die from something. Could be from an accident, murder, allergic response, disease, anything. Zombie virus outbreak? That one may be a stretch.
Studies show that meat (red in particular) links to cancer.
Studies show that pesticides link to cancer
Sugar links to cancer
Stress links to cancer
You name it- there's a study that links it to cancer or just death.
Live, be happy, don't obsess, change what you can, don't stress over what you can't change, be kind to self and others and don't be fast to judge. Oh and be open to other view points And beliefs. That could solve the worlds problems.
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Personally, I'm not a fan of any 'book' or 'how to' guide when it comes to weight loss.
There is always some kind of odd little twist and 'fast weight loss' tip involved. Businesses make a LOT of money from over-weight people looking for quick fixes - usually from using words such as "FAST" followed by pictures of huge plates of food and the phrase "EAT ALL THIS AND STILL LOSE WEIGHT". It appeals to people. People want fast results but they don't want to change their eating habits - enter the 'how to' book that promises you the world for just £X.XX per month *sigh*.
I've probably tried every single 'fad' or 'how to guide' out there - because I was desperate to lose weight fast. I followed their (sometimes INSANE) plans, restricted myself to the point of desperation, binge ate myself into a stupor and then moved on to the next book promising the same. It was a constant battle.
MFP taught me the science of weight loss (and the logic). Eat less. Move more.
Forget carb cutting, only eating after 7:30 PM, no meat, raw foods only, shake cleanses and detox plans.
I eat a calorie deficit and I work out 4 times a week. I eat a tonne of carbs, I eat LATE at night. I hate raw food. I can't be bothered with shakes and your body detoxes itself. I've lost 30lbs. The ONLY thing that has worked.
I just feel sad to see people spending their hard earned money on another 'hype' that'll be replaced with a different kind of 'hype' a few weeks later. Sorry If i've gone totally off subject. I needed to get it off my chest somewhere
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