So you CAN eat McDonald's every day...
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random5483 wrote: »Losing weight is all about having a calorie deficit. Eating at McDonalds everyday and losing weight is definitely possible if you control your portions. However, I would not advise it. McDonalds is mostly unhealthy. Losing weight and being healthy are not one and the same.
Actually, they are significantly correlative. "Healthy" and "unhealthy" are such broadly (and loosely) applied, vague terms that they border on meaningless. Having said that, the article did state that his blood levels improved.
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I'm not interested in arguing, but am wondering why - even if it's true - that has anything to do with what I said. Why would you argue that? I guess that's what interests me.
I would argue that inmates in prisons consume lowest quality, lowest nutritional value food 3 times daily and they aren't likely dying from health issues from lack of them.Of course you can eat McDonald's and lose weight. You cannot eat McDonald's exclusively and have a healthy, well-balanced diet. I'm disappointed that a teacher would suggest such a thing. Maybe, if you went to one of those McDonald's with a pasta bar and big old salad bar, you'd have a good shot at it. But not at your typical McDonald's.
Especially when dieting, eating food that's chock full of calories and pretty low on vitamins and minerals...it's not the healthiest way to go. People who aren't eating as much food as their body needs and want to do this in a healthy way should make an effort to get as many vitamins and minerals into their diets as humanly possible by eating a variety of fruits and veggies.
I hope that guy got paid a lot of money to suggest that eating McDonald's exclusively is a healthy diet.
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Just adding here that weight is still the number one indicator for assessing someone's health.jennifer_417 wrote: »random5483 wrote: »Losing weight is all about having a calorie deficit. Eating at McDonalds everyday and losing weight is definitely possible if you control your portions. However, I would not advise it. McDonalds is mostly unhealthy. Losing weight and being healthy are not one and the same.
Actually, they are significantly correlative. "Healthy" and "unhealthy" are such broadly (and loosely) applied, vague terms that they border on meaningless. Having said that, the article did state that his blood levels improved.
I mentioned before that prison inmates eat low quality (even lower than Mcdonald's) daily and for years for lots of them. Yet many aren't suffering health maladies that people in general population who are overweight/obese are even if they do have better nutritional food options. And weight is going to be the main difference between the two. There are hardly any very overweight/obese prison inmates.
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I just want to say that I can't afford to eat at McDonald's 3 times a day and feel full! Also, I could plan the calories, but planning all the nutrients and stuff daily might get a little time consuming for me (although easier with the help of MFP).
I used to work at McDonald's as a supervisor and I got one free meal a day, up to like $7.50 or something, and I just tried to get as much food to fill me up (weren't supposed to leave the restaurant with the free food, it was against the rules). I wonder how I would approach it now while using MFP, probably a lot differently.
(And just a side note: McDonald's got rid of sweet chili sauce and that was always my condiment of choice. I was a little upset when I learned about it, but now I just have to buy sweet chili at the grocery store.)0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Nothing really new.
Also the author of the documentary Fat Head (that's from 2009, even before the "twinkie diet" experiment) lost weight eating only at fast food restaurants for a month.
Actually, if you understand what the science teacher is attempting to do in the experiment he did along with his students, you can see that there's very little (if any) real connection between what he's putting forward and what the guy who made "Fathead" (who's pretty much a scam artist) tried to say.
Some of what I'm seeing here just emphasizes the need for better education in the art of critical thinking - and that IS a point the teacher made quite clear.
being a "brand ambassador" while educating "in the art of critical thinking"? The man is a genius, no doubt
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Is this the 1940s where we can't make educated inferences about obvious things. Yes you can lose weight eating only pop-tarts. No, you should not.0
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Your point was on health due to food being consumed. Inmates don't eat healthy food, yet many have the same health (physically) as those who aren't overweight in general population. While there are essentials that are needed for daily function, there are lots of healthy people out there that don't get in the RDA of vitamins and minerals and do fine.
I'm not interested in arguing, but am wondering why - even if it's true - that has anything to do with what I said. Why would you argue that? I guess that's what interests me.
I would argue that inmates in prisons consume lowest quality, lowest nutritional value food 3 times daily and they aren't likely dying from health issues from lack of them.Of course you can eat McDonald's and lose weight. You cannot eat McDonald's exclusively and have a healthy, well-balanced diet. I'm disappointed that a teacher would suggest such a thing. Maybe, if you went to one of those McDonald's with a pasta bar and big old salad bar, you'd have a good shot at it. But not at your typical McDonald's.
Especially when dieting, eating food that's chock full of calories and pretty low on vitamins and minerals...it's not the healthiest way to go. People who aren't eating as much food as their body needs and want to do this in a healthy way should make an effort to get as many vitamins and minerals into their diets as humanly possible by eating a variety of fruits and veggies.
I hope that guy got paid a lot of money to suggest that eating McDonald's exclusively is a healthy diet.
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It's not always about eating healthy food to be healthy. If that were entirely true, then Inuits and other indigenous people who thrive mostly on high fat diets with little vegetables should probably be dead at 30 years of age.
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Your point was on health due to food being consumed. Inmates don't eat healthy food, yet many have the same health (physically) as those who aren't overweight in general population. While there are essentials that are needed for daily function, there are lots of healthy people out there that don't get in the RDA of vitamins and minerals and do fine.
I'm not interested in arguing, but am wondering why - even if it's true - that has anything to do with what I said. Why would you argue that? I guess that's what interests me.
I would argue that inmates in prisons consume lowest quality, lowest nutritional value food 3 times daily and they aren't likely dying from health issues from lack of them.Of course you can eat McDonald's and lose weight. You cannot eat McDonald's exclusively and have a healthy, well-balanced diet. I'm disappointed that a teacher would suggest such a thing. Maybe, if you went to one of those McDonald's with a pasta bar and big old salad bar, you'd have a good shot at it. But not at your typical McDonald's.
Especially when dieting, eating food that's chock full of calories and pretty low on vitamins and minerals...it's not the healthiest way to go. People who aren't eating as much food as their body needs and want to do this in a healthy way should make an effort to get as many vitamins and minerals into their diets as humanly possible by eating a variety of fruits and veggies.
I hope that guy got paid a lot of money to suggest that eating McDonald's exclusively is a healthy diet.
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It's not always about eating healthy food to be healthy. If that were entirely true, then Inuits and other indigenous people who thrive mostly on high fat diets with little vegetables should probably be dead at 30 years of age.
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is really that bad prison food in the US? I can't believe it.0 -
The average cost spent on a three meal day for a prisoner is $3.00. Imagine what you get for that.Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Your point was on health due to food being consumed. Inmates don't eat healthy food, yet many have the same health (physically) as those who aren't overweight in general population. While there are essentials that are needed for daily function, there are lots of healthy people out there that don't get in the RDA of vitamins and minerals and do fine.
I'm not interested in arguing, but am wondering why - even if it's true - that has anything to do with what I said. Why would you argue that? I guess that's what interests me.
I would argue that inmates in prisons consume lowest quality, lowest nutritional value food 3 times daily and they aren't likely dying from health issues from lack of them.Of course you can eat McDonald's and lose weight. You cannot eat McDonald's exclusively and have a healthy, well-balanced diet. I'm disappointed that a teacher would suggest such a thing. Maybe, if you went to one of those McDonald's with a pasta bar and big old salad bar, you'd have a good shot at it. But not at your typical McDonald's.
Especially when dieting, eating food that's chock full of calories and pretty low on vitamins and minerals...it's not the healthiest way to go. People who aren't eating as much food as their body needs and want to do this in a healthy way should make an effort to get as many vitamins and minerals into their diets as humanly possible by eating a variety of fruits and veggies.
I hope that guy got paid a lot of money to suggest that eating McDonald's exclusively is a healthy diet.
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It's not always about eating healthy food to be healthy. If that were entirely true, then Inuits and other indigenous people who thrive mostly on high fat diets with little vegetables should probably be dead at 30 years of age.
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is really that bad prison food in the US? I can't believe it.
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »Nothing really new.
Also the author of the documentary Fat Head (that's from 2009, even before the "twinkie diet" experiment) lost weight eating only at fast food restaurants for a month.
Actually, if you understand what the science teacher is attempting to do in the experiment he did along with his students, you can see that there's very little (if any) real connection between what he's putting forward and what the guy who made "Fathead" (who's pretty much a scam artist) tried to say.
Some of what I'm seeing here just emphasizes the need for better education in the art of critical thinking - and that IS a point the teacher made quite clear.
being a "brand ambassador" while educating "in the art of critical thinking"? The man is a genius, no doubt
You're expecting us to assume that all brands are bad.0 -
The average cost spent on a three meal day for a prisoner is $3.00. Imagine what you get for that.Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Your point was on health due to food being consumed. Inmates don't eat healthy food, yet many have the same health (physically) as those who aren't overweight in general population. While there are essentials that are needed for daily function, there are lots of healthy people out there that don't get in the RDA of vitamins and minerals and do fine.
I'm not interested in arguing, but am wondering why - even if it's true - that has anything to do with what I said. Why would you argue that? I guess that's what interests me.
I would argue that inmates in prisons consume lowest quality, lowest nutritional value food 3 times daily and they aren't likely dying from health issues from lack of them.Of course you can eat McDonald's and lose weight. You cannot eat McDonald's exclusively and have a healthy, well-balanced diet. I'm disappointed that a teacher would suggest such a thing. Maybe, if you went to one of those McDonald's with a pasta bar and big old salad bar, you'd have a good shot at it. But not at your typical McDonald's.
Especially when dieting, eating food that's chock full of calories and pretty low on vitamins and minerals...it's not the healthiest way to go. People who aren't eating as much food as their body needs and want to do this in a healthy way should make an effort to get as many vitamins and minerals into their diets as humanly possible by eating a variety of fruits and veggies.
I hope that guy got paid a lot of money to suggest that eating McDonald's exclusively is a healthy diet.
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It's not always about eating healthy food to be healthy. If that were entirely true, then Inuits and other indigenous people who thrive mostly on high fat diets with little vegetables should probably be dead at 30 years of age.
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is really that bad prison food in the US? I can't believe it.
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I see, so not different from Italy where the cost is 3 euros per day, as I just googled.
I assume it is a diet high in starch and low in high quality protein, but I hope they provide enough nutritious foods...0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »Nothing really new.
Also the author of the documentary Fat Head (that's from 2009, even before the "twinkie diet" experiment) lost weight eating only at fast food restaurants for a month.
Actually, if you understand what the science teacher is attempting to do in the experiment he did along with his students, you can see that there's very little (if any) real connection between what he's putting forward and what the guy who made "Fathead" (who's pretty much a scam artist) tried to say.
Some of what I'm seeing here just emphasizes the need for better education in the art of critical thinking - and that IS a point the teacher made quite clear.
being a "brand ambassador" while educating "in the art of critical thinking"? The man is a genius, no doubt
You're expecting us to assume that all brands are bad.
Not at all, and I myself eat at McDonald's occasionally (at the airport, if I can't find better options).0 -
People are overly snobby about McDonalds and I have never been able to grasp why.
I eat there at least once a week, and sometimes more. I have never been able to understand why a meat sandwich made at home is supposed to be more virtuous than one that is delivered to you at speed at a drive through. Most people I know put a whole lot more mayo and certainly a thicker wedge of cheese on a sandwich they prepare themselves.
People don't get horrified when you got to a restaurant, where things are just as likely to be designed to be delicious and full of cream and fat and the portions are bigger, but when you walk into the office with a McDonalds bag, half the office huffs and puffs like you are strolling in with crack cocaine.
I personally think it is a class issue. If I got the exact same burger made by Tashas (the restaurant where rich people eat in our town), and it was called an Eu de Boef or something, everyone would be impressed with my class and style.
Even though anyone with half a brain can understand how you can fit McDonalds into your calories, you will still get responses like "why would you?" because the dislike for the idea comes from a more complicated place.
People don't want to be seen as "the sort of people" who eat at McDonalds.
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Just adding here that weight is still the number one indicator for assessing someone's health.jennifer_417 wrote: »random5483 wrote: »Losing weight is all about having a calorie deficit. Eating at McDonalds everyday and losing weight is definitely possible if you control your portions. However, I would not advise it. McDonalds is mostly unhealthy. Losing weight and being healthy are not one and the same.
Actually, they are significantly correlative. "Healthy" and "unhealthy" are such broadly (and loosely) applied, vague terms that they border on meaningless. Having said that, the article did state that his blood levels improved.
I mentioned before that prison inmates eat low quality (even lower than Mcdonald's) daily and for years for lots of them. Yet many aren't suffering health maladies that people in general population who are overweight/obese are even if they do have better nutritional food options. And weight is going to be the main difference between the two. There are hardly any very overweight/obese prison inmates.
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I JUST heard a thing on NPR about how women on average gain weight in prison. Do you have proof or a study that people in prison are less overweight than the average population?0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »random5483 wrote: »Losing weight is all about having a calorie deficit. Eating at McDonalds everyday and losing weight is definitely possible if you control your portions. However, I would not advise it. McDonalds is mostly unhealthy. Losing weight and being healthy are not one and the same.
Did you see the part about significantly improving his blood work results? What's unhealthy about losing 20% of your body weight & improving your health markers? I agree that losing weight and being healthy are not one and the same, but that's not the only metric at play here.
Yes, that did surprise me!
Hmm,... Interesting.
I do have the occasional Quarterpounder and fries....but i wouldn't eat it every day. Lol0 -
Didn't catch the before numbers, but attention to videos isn't my strong point. Massively confounded by the exercise regime of course, the thing could be titled "Exercise and hypocaloric diet helps teacher lose weight and improve health despite eating at McDonalds"
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I actually wish, for the purpose of clarity in understanding, that he DIDN'T exercise during this experiment.
The exercise gives the snobs something to cling to : "Oh.. it wasn't the food he ate, it was the miracle of exercise because you can eat what you want and still lose weight!"
Some of the message gets lost in that. He would have still lost weight without the exercise.-1 -
People are overly snobby about McDonalds and I have never been able to grasp why.
I eat there at least once a week, and sometimes more. I have never been able to understand why a meat sandwich made at home is supposed to be more virtuous than one that is delivered to you at speed at a drive through. Most people I know put a whole lot more mayo and certainly a thicker wedge of cheese on a sandwich they prepare themselves.
People don't get horrified when you got to a restaurant, where things are just as likely to be designed to be delicious and full of cream and fat and the portions are bigger, but when you walk into the office with a McDonalds bag, half the office huffs and puffs like you are strolling in with crack cocaine.
I personally think it is a class issue. If I got the exact same burger made by Tashas (the restaurant where rich people eat in our town), and it was called an Eu de Boef or something, everyone would be impressed with my class and style.
Even though anyone with half a brain can understand how you can fit McDonalds into your calories, you will still get responses like "why would you?" because the dislike for the idea comes from a more complicated place.
People don't want to be seen as "the sort of people" who eat at McDonalds.
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Day 75
1. May be my calculations are wrong but please have a look.
2. Advised sodium intake requirement= 2300 mg, Cisna's day 75?
3. Intensity of workouts, eg.
Is 45 minutes of walking at 15km/hour ?=? 45 minutes of walking at 20 km/hour (calories burned?) Cisna changed intensity of his workouts in last 3 months.
* Huge Jackman ate 6000 calories/day to bulk up for one of his movies. Point is balancing.
* Eating in moderation is never bad (even fast food).
4. How many people in general workout, 45 minutes/5 times a week?
5. How many restaurants provide caloric value of their meals?0 -
I JUST heard a thing on NPR about how women on average gain weight in prison. Do you have proof or a study that people in prison are less overweight than the average population?
"This study found that offenders gained weight and increased their BMI during incarceration, as other studies have indicated. " http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jobe/2015/532468/0 -
Day 75
1. May be my calculations are wrong but please have a look.
2. Advised sodium intake requirement= 2300 mg, Cisna's day 75?
3. Intensity of workouts, eg.
Is 45 minutes of walking at 15km/hour ?=? 45 minutes of walking at 20 km/hour (calories burned?) Cisna changed intensity of his workouts in last 3 months.
* Huge Jackman ate 6000 calories/day to bulk up for one of his movies. Point is balancing.
* Eating in moderation is never bad (even fast food).
4. How many people in general workout, 45 minutes/5 times a week?
5. How many restaurants provide caloric value of their meals?
2. will check - 3210 mg for the day
3. - nobody walks at 20 km/h, I might average that on my bike
He had a relatively low carb lunch on Day 75, and no snacks at all. Small fries for dinner too and >30g protein per meal.
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People are overly snobby about McDonalds and I have never been able to grasp why.
I eat there at least once a week, and sometimes more. I have never been able to understand why a meat sandwich made at home is supposed to be more virtuous than one that is delivered to you at speed at a drive through. Most people I know put a whole lot more mayo and certainly a thicker wedge of cheese on a sandwich they prepare themselves.
People don't get horrified when you got to a restaurant, where things are just as likely to be designed to be delicious and full of cream and fat and the portions are bigger, but when you walk into the office with a McDonalds bag, half the office huffs and puffs like you are strolling in with crack cocaine.
I personally think it is a class issue. If I got the exact same burger made by Tashas (the restaurant where rich people eat in our town), and it was called an Eu de Boef or something, everyone would be impressed with my class and style.
Even though anyone with half a brain can understand how you can fit McDonalds into your calories, you will still get responses like "why would you?" because the dislike for the idea comes from a more complicated place.
People don't want to be seen as "the sort of people" who eat at McDonalds.
Because the food tastes disgusting? As in, does not even smell edible? It is not about price or not being "classy", I enjoy street food and I understand trying to eat as cheap as possible. But, even as a student, I would really prefer eating a bag of doritos over eating McDonalds. Obviously not because I considered them healthier, but at least they were more appealing. I have met other people feeling the same way, and I honestly think it is something about their cooking fats and how the food smells. And not all fast food places smell the same way, it is just McDonalds and also Burger King in UK (have not tried Burger King anywhere else). If someone walked into the office with McDonalds, I would have to open the windows to get in some fresh air and stop feeling nauseous.0 -
Bogus nonsense.
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Yeah, but why would you want to. yuck!
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shadow2soul wrote: »random5483 wrote: »Losing weight is all about having a calorie deficit. Eating at McDonalds everyday and losing weight is definitely possible if you control your portions. However, I would not advise it. McDonalds is mostly unhealthy. Losing weight and being healthy are not one and the same.
His blood markers improved as well. He didn't have the student's just keep him at a calorie deficit. They had to make sure he was meeting the nutritional standards set by the FDA as well.
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[/quote]Because the food tastes disgusting? As in, does not even smell edible? It is not about price or not being "classy", I enjoy street food and I understand trying to eat as cheap as possible. But, even as a student, I would really prefer eating a bag of doritos over eating McDonalds. Obviously not because I considered them healthier, but at least they were more appealing. I have met other people feeling the same way, and I honestly think it is something about their cooking fats and how the food smells. And not all fast food places smell the same way, it is just McDonalds and also Burger King in UK (have not tried Burger King anywhere else). If someone walked into the office with McDonalds, I would have to open the windows to get in some fresh air and stop feeling nauseous.[/quote]
You say this like it is a universally agreed upon thing, but it really is not.
I do not think McDonalds looks or smells disgusting, I find it delicious and extremely appealing! I do however, really find the taste and smell of some Asian foods revolting. The smell gets right up my nose, as does the smell of tripe, which is quite popular here. No one who orders Asian food or traditional African food ever gets hassled though. No one else gets shamed for the types of bags they carry in, with the exception of McDonalds. It seems to be ok to shame McDonalds as a choice, in a way that it would be considered racist or off-color to shame other people for different foods and traditional foods that you personally don't enjoy.0 -
People are overly snobby about McDonalds and I have never been able to grasp why.
I eat there at least once a week, and sometimes more. I have never been able to understand why a meat sandwich made at home is supposed to be more virtuous than one that is delivered to you at speed at a drive through. Most people I know put a whole lot more mayo and certainly a thicker wedge of cheese on a sandwich they prepare themselves.
People don't get horrified when you got to a restaurant, where things are just as likely to be designed to be delicious and full of cream and fat and the portions are bigger, but when you walk into the office with a McDonalds bag, half the office huffs and puffs like you are strolling in with crack cocaine.
I personally think it is a class issue. If I got the exact same burger made by Tashas (the restaurant where rich people eat in our town), and it was called an Eu de Boef or something, everyone would be impressed with my class and style.
Even though anyone with half a brain can understand how you can fit McDonalds into your calories, you will still get responses like "why would you?" because the dislike for the idea comes from a more complicated place.
People don't want to be seen as "the sort of people" who eat at McDonalds.
Because the food tastes disgusting? As in, does not even smell edible? It is not about price or not being "classy", I enjoy street food and I understand trying to eat as cheap as possible. But, even as a student, I would really prefer eating a bag of doritos over eating McDonalds. Obviously not because I considered them healthier, but at least they were more appealing. I have met other people feeling the same way, and I honestly think it is something about their cooking fats and how the food smells. And not all fast food places smell the same way, it is just McDonalds and also Burger King in UK (have not tried Burger King anywhere else). If someone walked into the office with McDonalds, I would have to open the windows to get in some fresh air and stop feeling nauseous.
Everyone has different tastes, but the fact that mcdonalds is as popular as it is shows that you are not in the norm in your opinion of their food. You look down upon it as unappetizing because it somehow upsets your notions of how food should smell, and that's your perogative, but also your subjective opinion, and not the general consensus.0 -
47Jacqueline wrote: »Yeah, but why would you want to. yuck!
Because McDoanlds, or any other chain restaurant selling food, is an inevitable part of the modern food environment and giving kids the skills to critically navigate and work within the environment which they are presented with is a great idea?0
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