Looking for other pro science people on here
rightsensible
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I am trying to lose weight, but trying to stick to facts and scientific evidence. I am trying to avoid talks about detox, cleanses, alkaline, non gmo, or anything else not based in science. Basically I am looking for friends to add, but anytime I see someone I think I'll get along with, I never see an option to add them.
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Howdy! I'm a science teacher, so I guess I qualify as being a pro-science person
It's all about calories in vs. calories out in my opinion! 0 -
I added you as a friend. If you don't want to accept, I understand, because you don't know me.0
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I just get fed up with the comments section of myfitnesspal articles sometimes, because people like to spread unfounded nonsense that they read from some quack, and all it does is confuse other people who struggle with weight/health/eating disorders.0
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Agreed! There is so much bunk out there for losing weight it'll make someone's head spin! My mantra is just consistency when logging, AND burning more than you take it. It's not incredibly difficult to learn, but can be very difficult to do.0
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I'm with you all! I don't got for detox stuff! I have kidneys, they do all that for me! Give me science based facts please. Add me!0
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All of my weight loss success has been science-based, feel free to add me if you'd like some extra motivation. I have about 40 more pounds to lose.0
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I Agree, about the bunk. Too many gullible people looking for an easy option. Calories in vs calories out, plenty of exercise (more for health than weight loss) and drink of plenty of fluids to help your kidneys do the only detox that works. Believe it or not that's important because your body uses fat to store fat soluble toxins- plenty of fluids are required to flush out the rubbish those toxins are broken down into. The exercise part an hour of brisk walking every day and work out every day odd days 20 minutes of intense cardio, even days weights.1
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Feel free to add me. You just click on my username to go my profile, and then click "add as friend." I find nutrition and related topics fascinating, and always interested in learning more about the many factors that affect each side of that equation.0
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Feel free to add me! Anti-vax, non-GMO, HAES, etc. advocates are the worst. It's crazy how some people will spend money on a bunk "detox" wrap instead of just eating less.0
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Does this include not posting about how God blessed you with the power to lose weight? If so, add me
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meganridenour wrote: »Does this include not posting about how God blessed you with the power to lose weight? If so, add me
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Just sent a friend request. I could use more sensible friends.
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Hmmmm.... well my friends are chemists and I work with monkeys in neurobiology... so... yeah very much pro-science. 0
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Redbeard333 wrote: »Howdy! I'm a science teacher, so I guess I qualify as being a pro-science person It's all about calories in vs. calories out in my opinion!
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I hate pseudoscience! Feel free to add me.
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Look for people with jailbars over their avatar.0
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shadowfax_c11 wrote: »Hmmmm.... well my friends are chemists and I work with monkeys in neurobiology... so... yeah very much pro-science.
Some of my friends are dumber than monkeys, since they don't like science or fact based studies at times. It's hard not to laugh when they cite documentaries as the reason for a 30 day juicing diet!0 -
This might be my favorite thread here! Tempted to refer to it as "Science...duh!" to avoid the misconception that there are other valid, fact-based, peer-reviewed options.
(BS in Bio, Chem minor, Pre-Med - calories in, calories out, exercise does wonders for balancing brain chemistry and keeping you on track!)0 -
I'm a chemist (specialty: biophysical chemistry). I absolutely am driven bonkers by low-information pseudoscience and quacks.0
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I eat whole natural foods and work my butt off in the gym. Fitness, health, and longevity is a life long journey. It's a privilege and a blessing to eat good and exercise.0
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Add me so I can not sell you Beachbody, not quote Bible verses, not rave about the latest at Whole Foods, not whine about my Wheat Belly, not spam you with petitions against Monsanto.
Science for the win.0 -
shinycrazy wrote: »I'm with you all! I don't got for detox stuff! I have kidneys, they do all that for me! Give me science based facts please. Add me!
Well, If you have a working liver and kidneys, congratulations! You've got your very own built-in detoxing system!0 -
I like to base my fitness decisions on facts and somewhat proven bases as well. There is just so much information out there even 'scientific' that it is hard to filter. Feel free to add me, I am looking for extra motivation 0
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What really chaps my behind is when people advocate all those wraps, etc. I have a former student who is a "sales rep" for "ItWorks!" wraps, and she posts almost DAILY on Facebook about how it can help you shed pounds by melting them away. On the other hand, I haven't posted anything on FB about my weight loss, through just sensible eating and calorie-counting, and I started this journey mid-January (down almost 80 pounds).0
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I love that you added this and want to follow this thread! I'm a retired medical doctor.
One word of caution, though, is that the studies in this area are not reliable enough that they don't contradict one another very frequently. A quick look through the "Well" blogs on the NY Times will give you contradictory information about how much you need to exercise and what to eat to maximize weight loss or general fitness, all that information supported by scientific research. Also, consider how dietary recommendations have changed over the years (now it's that we didn't need to be drinking skim milk), although a lot of those recommendations were not based in hard enough science. So, I'd say common sense is still in order, and view anything new with skepticism until it is well replicated.
Another thought is that psychology is also a science, with more overlap with biology all the time as we learn more about neurotransmitters and brain activity as they affect behavior. Considering the factors that influence behavior can be a huge help in losing weight. Is that something that you want in in this thread, or should that be its own topic?
If Shadowfax_c11 is an animal trainer, maybe she can add her opinion here and a better explanation than I can give, but there has been a lot of old and well-documented research in the field of behavior. You probably all know Skinner and Pavlov, but look up Bob Bailey, the Brelands, and Dr. Susan Friedman, whose field is applied behavioral analysis, in Utah (behaviorworks.org).
I don't think that anyone here doubts the validity of CICO, the need for a nutritious diet, especially in the long term, and the benefits of exercise. However, despite our knowing that we were eating more than we should have been to maintain or lose weight, we did it anyway. Losing weight required a change in the behavior of eating. In animal training through positive reinforcement, it is beneficial to set the learner up for success by controlling the antecedents, that is, setting the stage so that the learner is more likely to be right. Controlling the antecedents can be hugely helpful in achieving weight loss. Examples would be (1) getting enough sleep, as there are studies showing that sleep deprivation is linked to weight gain and increased appetite - so, maybe turning off the laptop and turning in to bed will help (2) having healthy meals ready, so one is more likely to eat the right food than, driven by hunger, grab the wrong food or (3) finding a friend with whom to walk or exercise, so one is more likely to follow through, especially before exercise becomes a habit.
As much as I consider myself a scientist, I have not been happy with some of the discussions I have read in which a poster feels discouraged or explains how he/she gained weight, and the CICO crowd is disparaging and essentially says to man up. We don't want to just make excuses, but analyzing how we got to be overweight and then making the changes that will make us more likely to follow CI<CO is the key. That's science, too.
Scientists, weigh in (no pun intended) here, please!
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tincanonastring wrote: »Look for people with jailbars over their avatar.
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Enthusiastically raises hand!rightsensible wrote: »I am trying to lose weight, but trying to stick to facts and scientific evidence. I am trying to avoid talks about detox, cleanses, alkaline, non gmo, or anything else not based in science. Basically I am looking for friends to add, but anytime I see someone I think I'll get along with, I never see an option to add them.
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Right here! Say no to broscience haha0
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As much as I consider myself a scientist, I have not been happy with some of the discussions I have read in which a poster feels discouraged or explains how he/she gained weight, and the CICO crowd is disparaging and essentially says to man up. We don't want to just make excuses, but analyzing how we got to be overweight and then making the changes that will make us more likely to follow CI<CO is the key. That's science, too.
Scientists, weigh in (no pun intended) here, please!
Sadly, I think the issue is that too many people are looking for that "magic pill" or quick fix that will make their weight loss easy/fast. We are bombarded from every angle with people trying to sell diet/nutrition supplements that they SWEAR will work (i.e. Isagenix, ItWorks!, detoxes/cleanses, etc.) and these people/companies prey on people's desperation and lack of knowledge. Often times, they wind up here AFTER purchasing these products and are intent on them working, so when they hear CI/CO there is (predictably) resistance. I think people who have had long term success are very passionate about what works, and those who are selling these quick fixes are passionate about them (and making money), so when those mindsets clash....well, the result is what you have described above.
ETA: I am not a scientist, but I am passionate about health and fitness and try my best to stay informed.
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I love that you added this and want to follow this thread! I'm a retired medical doctor.
One word of caution, though, is that the studies in this area are not reliable enough that they don't contradict one another very frequently. A quick look through the "Well" blogs on the NY Times will give you contradictory information about how much you need to exercise and what to eat to maximize weight loss or general fitness, all that information supported by scientific research. Also, consider how dietary recommendations have changed over the years (now it's that we didn't need to be drinking skim milk), although a lot of those recommendations were not based in hard enough science. So, I'd say common sense is still in order, and view anything new with skepticism until it is well replicated.
Another thought is that psychology is also a science, with more overlap with biology all the time as we learn more about neurotransmitters and brain activity as they affect behavior. Considering the factors that influence behavior can be a huge help in losing weight. Is that something that you want in in this thread, or should that be its own topic?
If Shadowfax_c11 is an animal trainer, maybe she can add her opinion here and a better explanation than I can give, but there has been a lot of old and well-documented research in the field of behavior. You probably all know Skinner and Pavlov, but look up Bob Bailey, the Brelands, and Dr. Susan Friedman, whose field is applied behavioral analysis, in Utah (behaviorworks.org).
I don't think that anyone here doubts the validity of CICO, the need for a nutritious diet, especially in the long term, and the benefits of exercise. However, despite our knowing that we were eating more than we should have been to maintain or lose weight, we did it anyway. Losing weight required a change in the behavior of eating. In animal training through positive reinforcement, it is beneficial to set the learner up for success by controlling the antecedents, that is, setting the stage so that the learner is more likely to be right. Controlling the antecedents can be hugely helpful in achieving weight loss. Examples would be (1) getting enough sleep, as there are studies showing that sleep deprivation is linked to weight gain and increased appetite - so, maybe turning off the laptop and turning in to bed will help (2) having healthy meals ready, so one is more likely to eat the right food than, driven by hunger, grab the wrong food or (3) finding a friend with whom to walk or exercise, so one is more likely to follow through, especially before exercise becomes a habit.
As much as I consider myself a scientist, I have not been happy with some of the discussions I have read in which a poster feels discouraged or explains how he/she gained weight, and the CICO crowd is disparaging and essentially says to man up. We don't want to just make excuses, but analyzing how we got to be overweight and then making the changes that will make us more likely to follow CI<CO is the key. That's science, too.
Scientists, weigh in (no pun intended) here, please
Blogs are not science. That would be like taking health advice from a magazine (who is just trying to sell their latest issue) or from Dr. Oz who is just trying to hawk the latest fad and get ad revenue.
Peer reviewed primary sources are science. And that disparaging CICO crowd? They (we) are usually the first to step up and try to help someone here.0
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