Dairy, yes or no?
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »Yes to dairy. All the dairy!
Except buttermilk. Because yuck.
Do you even scone? Or cake? @AnvilHead
@rabbitjb - I do indeed scone and cake. I pancake too. I even cottage cheese. But I don't buttermilk. God kills a kitten every time somebody drinks that nasty, clotted, sour stuff.
It's an ingredient not a drink...who on earth drinks buttermilk? Is that even a thing?
*sheltered life*
It's a drink here in Germany (I'm in Germany this week) - and even comes flavoured - less sour. More like a thick lassi.
But... it's .... LUMPY!!!!!! I can't even.0 -
In the movie "The Quiet Man", which takes place in Ireland, Barry Fitzgerald's character, visiting Victor MacLaghlen's character, asks for a drink, hoping for whiskey. Victor says "You're welcome to the butter milk", which is in a big white pitcher on the kitchen table, where Victor is happily gorging himself. Barry shudders and replies "The Borgias would do better."0
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That should have been "Victor McLaglen".0
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BeyondApril wrote: »I recently switched to Soy milk after reading that regular (cow) dairy is not that good for you and can cause bloating. I do not like the soy milk. Anyone out there with 1. facts about the true evil powers of dairy or 2. product recommendations for substitutes that won't make me gag?
I really miss my afternoon Greek yogurt, and my cheddar with crackers with my wine. :-) Thanks!
Dairy in moderation is fine. Unless of course you are lactose intolerant, then I'd suggest you steer clear.
If you really are suspicious of dairy though and want to avoid it, nut milks (like almond and cashew) aren't too bad and coconut milk (the drinking kind) is quite nice.0 -
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Although your body may not have any adverse reactions to dairy I would not endorse the consumption of it. Unless it is local grass fed; commercial cow milk is full of products and hormones who knows what their affects are. I would be very careful and attentive to ingredients and added fillers.
That is just silly.
What 'added fillers'?
And if something does not give you any adverse effects then I would not stop consuming it, unless I wanted to, just because 'who knows what unknown effects there could be'
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PeachyCarol wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »Yes to dairy. All the dairy!
Except buttermilk. Because yuck. Do you even scone? Or cake? @AnvilHead
@rabbitjb - I do indeed scone and cake. I pancake too. I even cottage cheese. But I don't buttermilk. God kills a kitten every time somebody drinks that nasty, clotted, sour stuff.
It's an ingredient not a drink...who on earth drinks buttermilk? Is that even a thing?
*sheltered life*
It's a drink here in Germany (I'm in Germany this week) - and even comes flavoured - less sour. More like a thick lassi.
But... it's .... LUMPY!!!!!! I can't even.
I'm Dutch and it's also a very popular drink here. Kids in school can actually choose between semi skim, full fat or karnemelk (which is buttermilk). I think it's extremely gross (like you said, it's lumpy! Ack!
) But lots of people I know drink and love it.
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Boy oh boy we've been living with a secure food system so long we've forgotten. When I was a little girl living in the West Indies the cautious cook bought a live chicken just to be sure it was healthy. My son in law fresh from Africa was very cautious with fresh milk because where he came from soured was more secure. At least then he knew what bacteria infested his milk.
We have regulations, certificates, inspectors, refrigeration, homogenization, filtering, hygiene, and testing that allow us security with our food.0 -
Boy oh boy we've been living with a secure food system so long we've forgotten. When I was a little girl living in the West Indies the cautious cook bought a live chicken just to be sure it was healthy. My son in law fresh from Africa was very cautious with fresh milk because where he came from soured was more secure. At least then he knew what bacteria infested his milk.
We have regulations, certificates, inspectors, refrigeration, homogenization, filtering, hygiene, and testing that allow us security with our food.
Thanks for this. So true.0 -
Yes to dairy. All the dairy!
Except buttermilk. Because yuck. Do you even scone? Or cake? @AnvilHead
@rabbitjb - I do indeed scone and cake. I pancake too. I even cottage cheese. But I don't buttermilk. God kills a kitten every time somebody drinks that nasty, clotted, sour stuff.
It's an ingredient not a drink...who on earth drinks buttermilk? Is that even a thing?
*sheltered life*
I love buttermilk! I was brought up on the stuff! In the Netherlands you can buy it by the litre, I miss it a lot now i live in the UK, you can only get it in little piddly pots
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I think that moderation is the key here. I personally consume it, but not in excess (though I love cheese!). If dairy doesn't sit well with you or if you find you feel better without it, I would recommend coconut milk. It's good, low cal, and much more environmentally-sustainable than soy (GMO crops and rainforest depletion) and almond milk (a gallon of water in drought-ridden Cali goes to grow a single almond), if that plays a role in your decision.0
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My mum guzzles buttermilk straight out of the carton :sick: she is German, so was raised on it. Adding buttermilk in a pancake mix however, rather than normal milk makes a world of delicious difference0
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I usually don't eat dairy, I have no problem with bloating, but have several non-lactose-related issues. I generally don't substitute anything for it, I changed the way I eat instead. For example, I stopped eating breakfast cereal altogether. For recipes that call for dairy, I use coconut milk.
But as most people are saying, if you don't personally have physical or ethical problems with dairy, why give it up? Without dairy, I have to take a supplement to get enough calcium and getting adequate protein on my limited budget can be a problem.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »WinterSkies wrote: »nicsflyingcircus wrote: »
Not shocking. My husband and I are both of good mixed northern/western European stock and neither of us nor our horde of beast children have any problems with dairy.
Lol... I'm going file that one away for future use!
Hmmm. I was caught more byboth of good mixed northern/western European stock
and wondering what that meant.
Off the cuff Smart-assedness. All human stock is Good.0 -
I cannot drink cow milk because I am lactose intolerant. I can eat cheese and yogurt.
Drink the milk if it is helping you reach you goals.0 -
I have no problems with dairy; I still eat it. I did experiment with going dairy-free at one time for six weeks since I read it might help with one of my medical conditions but I really noticed zero effects from cutting dairy for me.
I do sometimes drink almond and/or coconut milk instead though. I've never liked the taste of cow's milk, but I put half and half in my coffee and I love cheese and sometimes eat yogurt, ice cream, etc.0 -
I quit drinking moo milk and have switched to coconut milk and cashew milk but I still eat yogurt and kefir for the probiotics. Buttermilk is also great when it's available.0
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I don't do dairy as a personal preference. We cut out most dairy except Greek yogurt after I got a bacterial infection in my mouth. But we just generally enjoyed how our bodies felt after not having it so long. We didn't notice how weighed down and tired we felt after eating something really cheesy or creamy (neither of us have lactose intolerance or dairy sensitivity) until we cut the dairy out for a month and went back. So we just decided to keep it at a minimum. Personally we like using the coconut milk blends in cereals and coffee because it's not as gritty as soymilk can be. But you don't have to cut out milk just cause some doc-in-a-box says it's bad. If you prefer it then go for it. If you need your cows milk then by all means drink it.0
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Can't drink milk instant stomach ache yet I can consume high amounts of cheese and ice cream which I find odd but very very happy I don't have to give up the good stuff!0
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I couldn't be without diary. I have yoghurt for breakfast most days, cottage cheese as lunches and snacks, ice cream for snacks and excess calories.
My life would be sad with out diary ;(0 -
The only thing about dairy that bothers me is the cost. I would be a very unhappy girl without dairy in my life.
Does anyone else put ice in their milk? Mmmmm0 -
There were studies that showed dairy can help with weight loss because of the protein, both filling and it helps with muscle building. So I'm with the others here saying if it doesn't cause bloating or other digestive issues FOR YOU, go ahead and eat/drink it if you want it.0
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Drinking the milk of another species is not only linked to health issues, but it's weird and promotes a lot of suffering. Just drink almond/cashew milk
. Better for you and you're not helping rape cows 0 -
bclarke1990 wrote: »Drinking the milk of another species is not only linked to health issues, but it's weird and promotes a lot of suffering. Just drink almond/cashew milk. Better for you and you're not helping rape cows
Have you ever milked a cow? I have. The cow could care less. Considering a cow is smart enough to not think of its udders as a sex object (unlike the human race) it's not rape. In fact NOT milking a dairy cow can cause the cow extreme pain, inflammation and possible infection leading to the death of said cow.
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PeachyCarol wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »salembambi wrote: »dairy is vile
just the smell of it makes me want to vom
which is funny cause i use to be one of those vegetarians that was addicted to it
alternatives are way better
Looking at pictures of natto makes me want to vomit, but lots of people love it. A feeling of disgust may be a useful guide for our own food choices, but it's not really applicable to anyone else. Your disgusting food is someone else's favorite.
Except people who like natto. Those people need Jesus.
I have to agree with this. I ... just can't understand it.
(I kid, I kid)
I tend to avoid milk itself because it bloats me, but other dairy products don't give me issues.
OP, if you have no issues? Enjoy.
I remember having natto, but I don't remember what natto tasted like, it came back up that quickly. Natto might be a 5th or 6th taste bud type, not the taste of vomit, but the taste of causing vomit.
I know a person who likes natto. I can only assume it is a residual effect of some serious physical head trauma he had once.0 -
blkandwhite77 wrote: »bclarke1990 wrote: »Drinking the milk of another species is not only linked to health issues, but it's weird and promotes a lot of suffering. Just drink almond/cashew milk. Better for you and you're not helping rape cows
Have you ever milked a cow? I have. The cow could care less. Considering a cow is smart enough to not think of its udders as a sex object (unlike the human race) it's not rape. In fact NOT milking a dairy cow can cause the cow extreme pain, inflammation and possible infection leading to the death of said cow.
I think the 'rape' referred to is more to do with the fact that most dairy cows are artificially inseminated in order to produce a calf. I'm sure cows don't think of themselves as 'sex objects'.
However I do wonder if, having carried that calf and delivered it only to be deprived of it almost immediately in order for her milk to be used for human consumption instead, the cow suffers emotionally as a result. Not to mention the lives of the vast majority of male calves - unwanted so destroyed either at birth, shortly after or just a few months later if raised for veal.
As for dairy cows needing to be milked, of course they do - we've bred a 'Frankenstein' cow to produce a very high yield, far more than it would need to produce to raise one calf naturally - most domestic dairy cows now little more than a bag of bones with an enormous udder, often unable to deliver its calf without human intervention. But they still have a brain and a nervous system so I think they must experience the world in much the same way as we do.0 -
blkandwhite77 wrote: »bclarke1990 wrote: »Drinking the milk of another species is not only linked to health issues, but it's weird and promotes a lot of suffering. Just drink almond/cashew milk. Better for you and you're not helping rape cows
Have you ever milked a cow? I have. The cow could care less. Considering a cow is smart enough to not think of its udders as a sex object (unlike the human race) it's not rape. In fact NOT milking a dairy cow can cause the cow extreme pain, inflammation and possible infection leading to the death of said cow.
Cows, like humans, produce milk after giving birth to feed their child. The only reason they need to be milked is because we take the infant away from them. The only reason cows would experience pain, inflammation, or infection due to lactation is because we have created a situation where their young don't have access to them.
I realize this doesn't really relate to OP's question, but I hate to see the myth that cows need to be milked further spread. Cows don't require another species to take their milk any more than humans do.0 -
Except by selective breeding domestic dairy cows produce far more than is needed by the calf.
https://www.milk.org/Corporate/PDF/Students-FarmCare_DairyCows.pdf
Thirty liters a day, while the calf needs twelve.0
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