Fasting/The juice diet Questions

kyukiyoshida
kyukiyoshida Posts: 23 Member
edited November 26 in Food and Nutrition
Has anyone here tried the juice diet yet? I'm watching a documentary called fat, sick & nearly dead. And this guy goes on a juice fast and cleanse for 60 days. So far he's lost 50 pounds by day 31. I guess the general idea is that by juicing you can get in twice as many fruits and vegetables, and you absorb the nutrients twice as fast. So you're packing your body with potent nutrients, and helping it heal and use fat that's been stored. I wanted to know if anyone has had experience with this particular diet and what the results were and if there were any negative mental/health implications or side effects.
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  • juggernaut1974
    juggernaut1974 Posts: 6,212 Member
    Completely horrible way to go about losing weight. With all sincerity, I would suggest not getting your nutrition/health ideas from documentaries.
  • RuNaRoUnDaFiEld
    RuNaRoUnDaFiEld Posts: 5,864 Member
    Juicing gets rid of the fibre that your body needs and allows you consume large amounts of calories without feeling as full.

    I stick to eating my fruit and veg.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    By doing that so long he's missing out on protein and fat which are both essential for proper bodily function. He's lost muscle mass as a high percentage of those 50 pounds he lost and lack of fat in the diet can lead to absorption issues for some of the vitamins as well as hormone disruptions. He may not be fat anymore, but sick and nearly dead? That might still hold true when that guy is done.
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
    Completely horrible way to go about losing weight. With all sincerity, I would suggest not getting your nutrition/health ideas from documentaries.

    Generous of you to say documentaries rather than juicer commercials.
  • juggernaut1974
    juggernaut1974 Posts: 6,212 Member
    RGv2 wrote: »
    Completely horrible way to go about losing weight. With all sincerity, I would suggest not getting your nutrition/health ideas from documentaries.

    Generous of you to say documentaries rather than juicer commercials.

    Po-Tay-to, Po-Tah-to
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Has anyone here tried the juice diet yet? I'm watching a documentary called fat, sick & nearly dead. And this guy goes on a juice fast and cleanse for 60 days. So far he's lost 50 pounds by day 31. I guess the general idea is that by juicing you can get in twice as many fruits and vegetables, and you absorb the nutrients twice as fast. So you're packing your body with potent nutrients, and helping it heal and use fat that's been stored. I wanted to know if anyone has had experience with this particular diet and what the results were and if there were any negative mental/health implications or side effects.

    tis the season for juice cleanses and detox's....

    First - your body detoxifies itself naturally and there is no need to do a cleanse.
    Second - you can get adequate nutrients from eating vegetables and fruits, and once you have met your nutrition needs for the day you do not get extra credit for "packing in your bod with nutrients."
    Third - you can lose weight with a calorie deficit, and micro and macro adherence.
    Finally - this person lost 50 pounds because they replaced food with juicing and created a calorie deficit.
  • kyukiyoshida
    kyukiyoshida Posts: 23 Member
    I know you can get many proteins and essential fats from dark vegetables and beans and healthy oils like virgin coconut oil. This is where I get mine from as meat consists for less than 10% of my calorie intake. So do you guys think that drinking homemade, natural fruit and vegetable juices maybe once or twice a day to help stay full on top of healthy low calorie meals would work just as well but be more beneficial? I guess I could say I'm looking for ways to help me eat less while getting more nutrients.
  • memo1974
    memo1974 Posts: 57 Member
    My wife watched that same documentary, and decided (against my opinion) to go on a 30 day juice only diet. I did not thing she will last more than 2 days, but she prove me wrong, she completed the 30 days.

    She lost nearly 20 pounds, of course when she went back to eating solid food again, she put on about 10 pound back. Even thought she lost 20 pounds, it did not look like it, because she was loosing muscle along the way, she was lighter, was her body fat was not lower.

    She now learned from her experience, she substitutes one meal a day for a juice (normally breakfast), then she eats the fruit and vegetables instead of juicing them. Also, she learned that protein is important.

    Remember that losing weight is about what you eat, but also about what you do NOT eat. When she when on the juice diet, she stopped eating bagels, donuts, ice cream, and cake. So, she felt much better, and she thought it was the "juice diet" that made her feel good. In reality, it was the junk food she was NOT eating what made her feel good.

    Do not over complicate the issue, want to lose weight and look good?, monitor what you eat, and exercise often, do small adjustments every week depending on the result. You do not need to make drastic changes to your lifestyle, actually, if you do, your body will fight you, your body does not like drastic changes.

    Begin keeping track of what you eat today, this will make you aware of where those extra calories are coming from, use this as baseline, and adjust from there. Example: if you have a bagel and cream cheese for breakfast everyday, next week substitute it with a better option but about the same caloric intake. This way, you will began cleaning your diet out, then, and only then you may want to start thinking about changing the amount of calories you are consuming.

    I see people (like my wife) that put on about 30 pounds in a 10 years period of time, then they want to lose the 30 pounds in a month, and because they can't, they get frustrated and give up.
    Do not put a time limit in your diet, think of it as the way it should be for the rest of your life.

    Cheers.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    I know you can get many proteins and essential fats from dark vegetables and beans and healthy oils like virgin coconut oil. This is where I get mine from as meat consists for less than 10% of my calorie intake. So do you guys think that drinking homemade, natural fruit and vegetable juices maybe once or twice a day to help stay full on top of healthy low calorie meals would work just as well but be more beneficial? I guess I could say I'm looking for ways to help me eat less while getting more nutrients.

    eat in a calorie deficit and make sure that you are eating sufficient serving of vegetables and fruits.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited November 2015
    I know you can get many proteins and essential fats from dark vegetables and beans and healthy oils like virgin coconut oil. This is where I get mine from as meat consists for less than 10% of my calorie intake. So do you guys think that drinking homemade, natural fruit and vegetable juices maybe once or twice a day to help stay full on top of healthy low calorie meals would work just as well but be more beneficial? I guess I could say I'm looking for ways to help me eat less while getting more nutrients.

    You will get fuller by eating the whole fruits and vegetables. Fruit juices in particular tend to be not filling for the calories (vegetable juices have fewer calories, but IMO vegetables taste better whole and are definitely more filling that way).

    Why not just eat a healthy balanced diet and increase the vegetables (and fruits, if you like) that you eat?

    Yes, you can get plenty of protein (and healthy fats) on a vegetarian diet, but that's not the same as just juices, as juicing excludes many good vegetarian protein and fat sources. If you feel you must try juicing I'd recommend logging at a place like Cronometer to see how you are doing on protein and fat.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    I know you can get many proteins and essential fats from dark vegetables and beans and healthy oils like virgin coconut oil. This is where I get mine from as meat consists for less than 10% of my calorie intake. So do you guys think that drinking homemade, natural fruit and vegetable juices maybe once or twice a day to help stay full on top of healthy low calorie meals would work just as well but be more beneficial? I guess I could say I'm looking for ways to help me eat less while getting more nutrients.

    Will having juice instead of food help make you full? No. Rather the opposite.
  • diannethegeek
    diannethegeek Posts: 14,776 Member
    Has anyone here tried the juice diet yet? I'm watching a documentary called fat, sick & nearly dead. And this guy goes on a juice fast and cleanse for 60 days. So far he's lost 50 pounds by day 31. I guess the general idea is that by juicing you can get in twice as many fruits and vegetables, and you absorb the nutrients twice as fast. So you're packing your body with potent nutrients, and helping it heal and use fat that's been stored. I wanted to know if anyone has had experience with this particular diet and what the results were and if there were any negative mental/health implications or side effects.

    If I recall from your previous post asking for help, you have PCOS right? Some people with PCOS find that a lower carb diet is helpful. A diet of nothing but fruit & veggie juice is the exact opposite of that.
  • Therealobi1
    Therealobi1 Posts: 3,262 Member
    started to see at least one new post a day re some type of juicing or detoxing.

    dont do it op, not necessary whatsoever
  • kyukiyoshida
    kyukiyoshida Posts: 23 Member
    Aw dang. I wonder why people say juices keep you full then if that's not the case. I'm not too sure what carbs are. But I learned that there are healthy and unhealthy carbs. All the ones I am in taking are healthy, so vegetables, legumes/beans, whole grains, fruits, nuts, and yogurt . If I cut those out wouldn't I be essentially starving myself since that consists for 90% of my daily diet? I also have 2 highly sensitive teeth top and towards the front, they've been getting ground down to nearly half their length since I was a kid, not sure why. But it's because of those teeth that makes biting into fruit and vegetables extremely painful. Especially ones with skins like apples. I'm assuming acidity is what's making it painful to eat citrus and berries. So if juicing would be a nice way to help increase the intake of them, I'd try it. But I've definitely been persuaded from the juice diet.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Aw dang. I wonder why people say juices keep you full then if that's not the case. I'm not too sure what carbs are. But I learned that there are healthy and unhealthy carbs. All the ones I am in taking are healthy, so vegetables, legumes/beans, whole grains, fruits, nuts, and yogurt . If I cut those out wouldn't I be essentially starving myself since that consists for 90% of my daily diet? I also have 2 highly sensitive teeth top and towards the front, they've been getting ground down to nearly half their length since I was a kid, not sure why. But it's because of those teeth that makes biting into fruit and vegetables extremely painful. Especially ones with skins like apples. I'm assuming acidity is what's making it painful to eat citrus and berries. So if juicing would be a nice way to help increase the intake of them, I'd try it. But I've definitely been persuaded from the juice diet.

    what are unhealthy carbs??

    you could always cut your fruit up into small pieces....
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    Aw dang. I wonder why people say juices keep you full then if that's not the case. I'm not too sure what carbs are. But I learned that there are healthy and unhealthy carbs. All the ones I am in taking are healthy, so vegetables, legumes/beans, whole grains, fruits, nuts, and yogurt . If I cut those out wouldn't I be essentially starving myself since that consists for 90% of my daily diet? I also have 2 highly sensitive teeth top and towards the front, they've been getting ground down to nearly half their length since I was a kid, not sure why. But it's because of those teeth that makes biting into fruit and vegetables extremely painful. Especially ones with skins like apples. I'm assuming acidity is what's making it painful to eat citrus and berries. So if juicing would be a nice way to help increase the intake of them, I'd try it. But I've definitely been persuaded from the juice diet.

    I don't know your situation, but it seems like if your teeth are interfering with your ability to eat fruits and vegetables, it may be better to get that checked out and fixed than to switch to a diet of juice.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    Extreme diets (and don't kid yourself this is an extreme diet) have temporary results. Accept the fact that losing weight requires effort, consistency and most of all patience. Exercise every day (with varying intensities), eat at a slight deficit (20% is generally a good starting point for most), make time to recover and go live your life...
  • ceciliaslater
    ceciliaslater Posts: 457 Member
    Aw dang. I wonder why people say juices keep you full then if that's not the case. I'm not too sure what carbs are. But I learned that there are healthy and unhealthy carbs. All the ones I am in taking are healthy, so vegetables, legumes/beans, whole grains, fruits, nuts, and yogurt . If I cut those out wouldn't I be essentially starving myself since that consists for 90% of my daily diet? I also have 2 highly sensitive teeth top and towards the front, they've been getting ground down to nearly half their length since I was a kid, not sure why. But it's because of those teeth that makes biting into fruit and vegetables extremely painful. Especially ones with skins like apples. I'm assuming acidity is what's making it painful to eat citrus and berries. So if juicing would be a nice way to help increase the intake of them, I'd try it. But I've definitely been persuaded from the juice diet.

    If you just cut them out, yes, you would be starving yourself. With lower carb diets, you have to replace the calories you would be getting from carbs with calories from either protein or fat. Limit carbs (find your own happy place), get adequate protein, eat fat to satiety.

    If diannethegeek is correct that you have PCOS (I searched for this post very briefly, but didn't come up with it), then a lower carb diet may prove very helpful for you. PCOS is frequently found in combination with insulin resistance (in short, IR means that you eat carbs, your body doesn't process them like it should, and you stay hungry).

    Low carb diets aren't for everyone, and they aren't necessary for most people. However, if you do have PCOS, I suggest you do some research and find the plan that's best for you. There are many different versions and levels of "low carb." If you're interested in learning about low carb, check out the Low Carber Daily Forum group. There's a great "Launch Pad" section with tons of information, links, etc.

    Do the research and make an educated decision based on your own needs.

    Best of luck to you.
  • kyukiyoshida
    kyukiyoshida Posts: 23 Member
    Unhealthy carbs are dried fruit, cereals, crackers, cakes, flours, jams, preserves, bread products, and potato products. What would be a healthy source of good fat? Some people are at risk of gout which can be caused by low carb and high protein diets. Plus I'm not wanting to increase my meat intake. So I'd rather replace calories with fat if I try low carb. Though it doesn't really make sense. How can healthy carbs in vegetables interfere with weightloss. You'd figure that would be the main part in a good diet. lol
  • singingflutelady
    singingflutelady Posts: 8,736 Member
    ^not true at all. So much misinformation
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    edited November 2015
    ^not true at all. So much misinformation

    ^ Cosigned. So much wrong that I don't even know where to start.
  • singingflutelady
    singingflutelady Posts: 8,736 Member
    ^ I eat white bread (can't eat whole wheat as it has too much fibre), oatmeal and potatoes almost every day and I am not overweight.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    edited November 2015
    ^ I eat all those "unhealthy carbs", my health is fine and my weight loss is virtually effortless. And I'm not the one looking for a cleanse/ juice fast to try to lose weight. Talk about unhealthy!
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    ^not true at all. So much misinformation

    ^ Cosigned. So much wrong that I don't even know where to start.

    I could start.
    The carbs in dried fruit are obviously exactly the same as in non-dried fruit. The drying process doesn't remove vitamins or fiber as far as I know so it's basically exactly the same as a regular fruit minus the water.
    Cereals, bread and potatoes etc. what's supposed to be "bad" about those? They're mostly the oh so sought after complex carbs but I guess anti-carb things aren't even internally consistent so whatever.
    Jams etc. eh, they're lots of calories and not much else but there's nothing inherently bad about them, but then, there's nothing inherently bad about anything edible in sensible amounts.
    Gout: wikipedia (and the two sources cited) says protein consumption is not associated with getting gout, that was disproven.
    "healthy" carbs can interfere with weight loss because they've got calories, and your body doesn't give two fudgesicles if they came from vegetables or a fudgesicle, if it's more than your body needs that gets stored.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Unhealthy carbs are dried fruit, cereals, crackers, cakes, flours, jams, preserves, bread products, and potato products. What would be a healthy source of good fat? Some people are at risk of gout which can be caused by low carb and high protein diets. Plus I'm not wanting to increase my meat intake. So I'd rather replace calories with fat if I try low carb. Though it doesn't really make sense. How can healthy carbs in vegetables interfere with weightloss. You'd figure that would be the main part in a good diet. lol

    dead wrong.

    I eat all those foods and have no problem with overall health.

    healthy carbs don't interfere with weight loss, actually no carbs interfere with weight loss; what interfere with weight loss is caloric consumption over maintenance.

  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    ^ I eat all those "unhealthy carbs", my health is fine and my weight loss is virtually effortless. And I'm not the one looking for a cleanse/ juice fast to try to lose weight. Talk about unhealthy!

    you are already dead...
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    edited November 2015
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    ^ I eat all those "unhealthy carbs", my health is fine and my weight loss is virtually effortless. And I'm not the one looking for a cleanse/ juice fast to try to lose weight. Talk about unhealthy!

    you are already dead...

    Dang, I never got the memo. Maybe that's why my weight loss is so effortless.
  • brianpperkins
    brianpperkins Posts: 6,124 Member
    Unhealthy carbs are dried fruit, cereals, crackers, cakes, flours, jams, preserves, bread products, and potato products. What would be a healthy source of good fat? Some people are at risk of gout which can be caused by low carb and high protein diets. Plus I'm not wanting to increase my meat intake. So I'd rather replace calories with fat if I try low carb. Though it doesn't really make sense. How can healthy carbs in vegetables interfere with weightloss. You'd figure that would be the main part in a good diet. lol

    Please explain how a carb in a dried fruit is somehow different than the same chemical compound in an undried fruit?

    As already mentioned, there is no such thing as a "healthy" or "unhealthy" carb .... there are just carbs.
  • Lucille4444
    Lucille4444 Posts: 284 Member
    helping it heal
    It doesn't need to heal.
    What will it do while it is on vacay?

  • kyukiyoshida
    kyukiyoshida Posts: 23 Member
    I'm not the one that knows all the medical terms or the science behind it. I simply have a list I got from the doctor last week about various kinds of diets, carbs, fats etc. the carb information is on there. I googled it and it said it was right so I don't know what's going on. Someone asked me what they were so I answered. I wasn't looking for snooty comments about the fact I asked about the juice diet, anvilhead. I also never said that eating those made you overweight so I'm not sure why people are saying "I eat those and I'm not overweight". I think dried fruits have to do mostly with the fact that these days, they are heavily processed, filled with sugars and chemical preservatives. And whether people admit it or not, while they may not cause weight gain, refined, bleached, processed and preservative filled flours, sugars, pastas, meats etc. are bad for your health. And I'm in this to increase my overall health permanently and alter my old lifestyle choices. Which is why I will not increase my meat or white flour intake. I'm not sure why people are feeling personally attacked. But I'm sorry if anyone thought I was offending their lifestyle.
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