Fasting/The juice diet Questions
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i just want to know if its still safe for me to eat dried fruit.0
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kyukiyoshida wrote: »
I'm not trying to be a smart aleck here, but I would really suggest that you stop getting nutrition advice from blog posts and articles - most of which intentionally twist the research to support a pre-conceived notion. Read the primary research for yourself.0 -
Correlation does not equal causation. I am still waiting for the study that proves causation. I doubt it exists...kyukiyoshida wrote: »
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FunkyTobias wrote: »
oh yes thats true. i am in trouble.0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »
If you mash 'em up extra hard, it breaks up all the evil carbs0 -
Also, why do you, and all these "studies" assume that those who eat meat, do not eat vegetables?0
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It definitely mentions processed foods like white flours and meats. I read every single line. Apparently you just skimmed over.0
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Therealobi1 wrote: »i just want to know if its still safe for me to eat dried fruit.
No, didn't you know? Drying fruit makes the carbs go bad. they start smoking and never calling their mother anymore.0 -
Yes and the issue is their high calorie content. Not the food in and of itself...kyukiyoshida wrote: »It definitely mentions processed foods like white flours and meats. I read every single line. Apparently you just skimmed over.0 -
From your first link:Meat can be a good source of protein and other essential nutrients
Again, you seem to be ignoring issues like quantity and context, as well as overgeneralizing again -- eating sausage is not the same as eating salmon (although both can be part of a healthy diet).
I don't personally care if anyone eats meat -- I think one can have a very healthy diet without meat and there are ethical reasons that I respect, without agreeing with, to cut out (or even limit) meat. Also, I personally do watch sat fat.
But you seem to be ignoring the points about replacing actual nuanced consideration of what makes up a healthy diet (and sensible calorie allotment) with overly simplistic rules one doesn't or is not expected to understand.
The main issues with things like fast food (which I personally don't care for, so don't eat) or added sugar (which I do watch) is HIGH CALORIES, not anything more. People who are obese and habitually eat too many calories and who for whatever reason can't or won't count calories might be able to obtain a deficit by cutting out high calorie things they eat, but doesn't it make more sense to understand the underlying principles about calories and nutrition and not just superstitiously think that if you eat a McD's burger on one occasion you will automatically gain weight or be unhealthy?
Especially if one then applies the same idea to a huge range of foods like all dried fruit and grains.0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »i just want to know if its still safe for me to eat dried fruit.
Of course it isn't.
But risk taking can be exciting, so I may include some cranberries I dried myself in my Thanksgiving feast (and mashed potatoes too). Oooh! And some think skydiving is a thrill!0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »From your first link:Meat can be a good source of protein and other essential nutrients
Again, you seem to be ignoring issues like quantity and context, as well as overgeneralizing again -- eating sausage is not the same as eating salmon (although both can be part of a healthy diet).
I don't personally care if anyone eats meat -- I think one can have a very healthy diet without meat and there are ethical reasons that I respect, without agreeing with, to cut out (or even limit) meat. Also, I personally do watch sat fat.
But you seem to be ignoring the points about replacing actual nuanced consideration of what makes up a healthy diet (and sensible calorie allotment) with overly simplistic rules one doesn't or is not expected to understand.
The main issues with things like fast food (which I personally don't care for, so don't eat) or added sugar (which I do watch) is HIGH CALORIES, not anything more. People who are obese and habitually eat too many calories and who for whatever reason can't or won't count calories might be able to obtain a deficit by cutting out high calorie things they eat, but doesn't it make more sense to understand the underlying principles about calories and nutrition and not just superstitiously think that if you eat a McD's burger on one occasion you will automatically gain weight or be unhealthy?
Especially if one then applies the same idea to a huge range of foods like all dried fruit and grains.
Yes!!!...read this post carefully, OP.
Twice, if necessary.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »i just want to know if its still safe for me to eat dried fruit.
Of course it isn't.
But risk taking can be exciting, so I may include some cranberries I dried myself in my Thanksgiving feast (and mashed potatoes too). Oooh! And some think skydiving is a thrill!
You gonna die.
Can I have your stuff?
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Processed food is anything that is not a whole food. Something that has been mixed with other ingredients and marketed in boxes cans or bags, for buyer conveniences. Tyson bagged chicken nuggets is a processed food. Fresh cut chicken from the deli or butcher is not. McDonald's hamburgers are a highly processed junk food, in fact they are not even real meat. Their "meat" is also sprayed with ammonia to kill bacteria and their French fries contain traces of extremely toxic and carcinogenic chemical compounds. Fast food can have a serious health impact. Sure you can probably have a burger from there every now and then. But why would you want to?0
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FunkyTobias wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »i just want to know if its still safe for me to eat dried fruit.
Of course it isn't.
But risk taking can be exciting, so I may include some cranberries I dried myself in my Thanksgiving feast (and mashed potatoes too). Oooh! And some think skydiving is a thrill!
You gonna die.
Can I have your stuff?
She's already dead. I want her running swag.0 -
kyukiyoshida wrote: »Processed food is anything that is not a whole food. Something that has been mixed with other ingredients and marketed in boxes cans or bags, for buyer conveniences. Tyson bagged chicken nuggets is a processed food. Fresh cut chicken from the deli or butcher is not. McDonald's hamburgers are a highly processed junk food, in fact they are not even real meat. Their "meat" is also sprayed with ammonia to kill bacteria and their French fries contain traces of extremely toxic and carcinogenic chemical compounds. Fast food can have a serious health impact. Sure you can probably have a burger from there every now and then. But why would you want to?
Because they're delicious?
Seriously...you're clearly so far down the rabbit hole...I'm not sure it's worth any more of my time. Good luck to you, and let us know if you ever want some honest, truthful, sensible advice about proper diet and fitness habits.0 -
kyukiyoshida wrote: »Processed food is anything that is not a whole food. Something that has been mixed with other ingredients and marketed in boxes cans or bags, for buyer conveniences. Tyson bagged chicken nuggets is a processed food. Fresh cut chicken from the deli or butcher is not. McDonald's hamburgers are a highly processed junk food, in fact they are not even real meat. Their "meat" is also sprayed with ammonia to kill bacteria and their French fries contain traces of extremely toxic and carcinogenic chemical compounds. Fast food can have a serious health impact. Sure you can probably have a burger from there every now and then. But why would you want to?
I can't even...
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Therealobi1 wrote: »i just want to know if its still safe for me to eat dried fruit.
Dried fruit tends to be too big a sugar bomb for me when eaten alone. I do love and am fine with dried apricots stewed with chicken and chickpeas. Occasionally, I will have a half ounce of raisins with an ounce of peanuts, but a better (more filling) snack for me is whole apples with nuts and cheese.
One big (medjool) date eaten alone makes me feel sick. I don't feel sick when I eat them with cream cheese, but it's not a filling snack, more of a treat.0 -
kyukiyoshida wrote: »Processed food is anything that is not a whole food. Something that has been mixed with other ingredients and marketed in boxes cans or bags, for buyer conveniences. Tyson bagged chicken nuggets is a processed food. Fresh cut chicken from the deli or butcher is not.
Then why is it called meat processing?McDonald's hamburgers are a highly processed junk food, in fact they are not even real meat. Their "meat" is also sprayed with ammonia to kill bacteria and their French fries contain traces of extremely toxic and carcinogenic chemical compounds. Fast food can have a serious health impact.
Citation needed. Again.Sure you can probably have a burger from there every now and then. But why would you want to?
Tasty? Convenient?
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kyukiyoshida wrote: »Processed food is anything that is not a whole food. Something that has been mixed with other ingredients and marketed in boxes cans or bags, for buyer conveniences. Tyson bagged chicken nuggets is a processed food. Fresh cut chicken from the deli or butcher is not. McDonald's hamburgers are a highly processed junk food, in fact they are not even real meat. Their "meat" is also sprayed with ammonia to kill bacteria and their French fries contain traces of extremely toxic and carcinogenic chemical compounds. Fast food can have a serious health impact. Sure you can probably have a burger from there every now and then. But why would you want to?
Why not if it's only every now and then (which is what everyone in this thread is saying) and it's a treat for you?
I'm pretty sure McDonalds hamburgers are real meat. If not, I think we have a solid class action false advertising lawsuit.
And now both KFC Chicken and McDonald's fries are toxic. What do we have left?
(Just for reference...what is the toxic compound?)
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lemurcat12 wrote: »kyukiyoshida wrote: »I simply have a list I got from the doctor last week about various kinds of diets, carbs, fats etc. the carb information is on there.
These lists are oversimplifications based on an assumption that people aren't informed about nutrition and that teaching them to be informed is too difficult, and that they eat the SAD (lots of fatty meat, sugary treats, and ultra processed grains, few fruits and veg). They aren't necessarily helpful to those who do not and, more significantly, wouldn't you want to actually understand the nutrition and make truly sensible choices for you based on that? Personally, approaching it in a dumbed down way has always offended me, so I made sure to learn about and understand the reasons and evidence behind the simplified recommendations (which aren't to cut things out except sometimes because doctors believe no one can be trusted, as when 1000 calories are recommended with a belief that someone will really be eating 1500 or the like -- again, which would bother me as a patient, as I'd rather learn to do things right, not be treated like someone who can't be trusted).
Also, recommendations to cut out dried fruit normally come along with recommendations to cut out or strictly limit juice. (The reason for the dried fruit thing is just that it has more calories per volume than non dried fruits and is really easy to overeat. Sure, some might also have added sugar -- although it's easy just to read a package and avoid those and quite easy to dry fruit at home, as my mother used to do -- but that's a dumb reason to ban all dried fruit even if one were avoiding all added sugar, which isn't necessary, although limiting it is sensible.)
Similarly generalizing about all grains being bad because you should limit your consumption of pastries or other refined grain products seems odd. Most doctors (unless they are low carb fanatics, I guess) aren't going to say steel cut oats or even whole grain bread or, say, roasted potatoes or sweet potatoes are foods to avoid. That's really out of the mainstream.
@kyukiyoshida I agree that your doctor may have found it easier to oversimplify things.0 -
Lol, I have missed these disagreements - this is like going back in time to 2013, when the message boards were filled with all of these IIFYM vs. Clean Eating battles.0
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kyukiyoshida wrote: »Processed food is anything that is not a whole food. Something that has been mixed with other ingredients and marketed in boxes cans or bags, for buyer conveniences. Tyson bagged chicken nuggets is a processed food. Fresh cut chicken from the deli or butcher is not. McDonald's hamburgers are a highly processed junk food, in fact they are not even real meat. Their "meat" is also sprayed with ammonia to kill bacteria and their French fries contain traces of extremely toxic and carcinogenic chemical compounds. Fast food can have a serious health impact. Sure you can probably have a burger from there every now and then. But why would you want to?
you are really killing the joy of eating food.
am going to start hand raring chickens, and cows in my tiny back garden, and grow all my own veg apart from pototoes. i will eat the fruit but make sure it never dries.0 -
I never said that people who eat meat do not eat veggies. And some people cannot eat potatoes. Especially those with diabetes. None of those links were blog posts. The were written by people with PhDs on the subject. Or are you going to claim you know more than a Harvard university professor and doctor? I've kept my end pretty straight forward. But the lot of you seen to be dancing around the subject, making assumptions and putting words in my mouth. Along with just completely ignoring factual information to fit your own belief system. You're also acting like bullies. Simply over my dietary choices and questions. And because apparently we can only talk about things within your guidelines. Despite the fact I have explained 100 times you continue to nitpick and make accusatory comments about me. I'm not going to sit here and argue with children who enjoy setting up strawman debates. About things that I have studied for years, when you have done clearly no research. Accusing me of being closed minded and stating opinions as fact when you guys are just as guilty. Dancing around evidence and acting superior does not make you right. You should learn to not mirror your negative traits on to others. Until you can learn to have an actual conversation without resulting to bullying tactics and harassment, I have nothing more to say to you.0
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kyukiyoshida wrote: »Processed food is anything that is not a whole food.
It's anything that has been processed. All of the foods in the list I gave have been processed. Some whole foods are processed. A rotisserie chicken you buy at the grocery store is processed and a whole food. Smoked salmon is processed and a whole food. Same with dried fruit, for that matter.
It's pointless to generalize about processed foods because they vary so much.0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »i just want to know if its still safe for me to eat dried fruit.
Of course it isn't.
But risk taking can be exciting, so I may include some cranberries I dried myself in my Thanksgiving feast (and mashed potatoes too). Oooh! And some think skydiving is a thrill!
You gonna die.
Can I have your stuff?
I live dangerously.0
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