Isagenix, Science or Woo?

^^^this and it certainly ain't bullying.

Doubt is not bullying. Different opinions are not bullying. Calling them bullying trivialises actual bullying.

First off what is MLM snake oil second being I've said its my first day here do you think you could be kind and directive without being rude and judge mental? Obviously I've not posted in this forum and obviously I don't know the "proper" starting point. Look back I sure didn't feel that my views were regarded as positive and felt ganged up on and yes that is called bullying. Have a good night!

AnvilHead wrote: »

jamiemerc7 wrote: »

First off what is MLM snake oil second being I've said its my first day here do you think you could be kind and directive without being rude and judge mental? Obviously I've not posted in this forum and obviously I don't know the "proper" starting point. Look back I sure didn't feel that my views were regarded as positive and felt ganged up on and yes that is called bullying. Have a good night!

1) MLM "snake oil" is useless, scam diet products (often referred to as "snake oil", "woo", etc.) through multi-level marketing (MLM), aka pyramid scheme, aka ripping off your friends and family. This includes, but is not limited to, useless MLM scam products such as Shakeology, Advocare, ItWorks and yes, Isagenix.

2) I was not rude or judgmental in the least, I think you're being highly hypersensitive. I simply explained to you why your post received the reception it did, based upon the history of similar posts/users in the past.

AnvilHead wrote: »

jamiemerc7 wrote: »

First off what is MLM snake oil second being I've said its my first day here do you think you could be kind and directive without being rude and judge mental? Obviously I've not posted in this forum and obviously I don't know the "proper" starting point. Look back I sure didn't feel that my views were regarded as positive and felt ganged up on and yes that is called bullying. Have a good night!

1) MLM "snake oil" is useless, scam diet products (often referred to as "snake oil", "woo", etc.) through multi-level marketing (MLM), aka pyramid scheme, aka ripping off your friends and family. This includes, but is not limited to, useless MLM scam products such as Shakeology, Advocare, ItWorks and yes, Isagenix.

2) I was not rude or judgmental in the least, I think you're being highly hypersensitive. I simply explained to you why your post received the reception it did, based upon the history of similar posts/users in the past.

AnvilHead wrote: »

jamiemerc7 wrote: »

First off what is MLM snake oil second being I've said its my first day here do you think you could be kind and directive without being rude and judge mental? Obviously I've not posted in this forum and obviously I don't know the "proper" starting point. Look back I sure didn't feel that my views were regarded as positive and felt ganged up on and yes that is called bullying. Have a good night!

1) MLM "snake oil" is useless, scam diet products (often referred to as "snake oil", "woo", etc.) through multi-level marketing (MLM), aka pyramid scheme, aka ripping off your friends and family. This includes, but is not limited to, useless MLM scam products such as Shakeology, Advocare, ItWorks and yes, Isagenix.

2) I was not rude or judgmental in the least, I think you're being highly hypersensitive. I simply explained to you why your post received the reception it did, based upon the history of similar posts/users in the past.

AnvilHead wrote: »

jamiemerc7 wrote: »

First off what is MLM snake oil second being I've said its my first day here do you think you could be kind and directive without being rude and judge mental? Obviously I've not posted in this forum and obviously I don't know the "proper" starting point. Look back I sure didn't feel that my views were regarded as positive and felt ganged up on and yes that is called bullying. Have a good night!

1) MLM "snake oil" is useless, scam diet products (often referred to as "snake oil", "woo", etc.) through multi-level marketing (MLM), aka pyramid scheme, aka ripping off your friends and family. This includes, but is not limited to, useless MLM scam products such as Shakeology, Advocare, ItWorks and yes, Isagenix.

2) I was not rude or judgmental in the least, I think you're being highly hypersensitive. I simply explained to you why your post received the reception it did, based upon the history of similar posts/users in the past.

AnvilHead wrote: »

jamiemerc7 wrote: »

First off what is MLM snake oil second being I've said its my first day here do you think you could be kind and directive without being rude and judge mental? Obviously I've not posted in this forum and obviously I don't know the "proper" starting point. Look back I sure didn't feel that my views were regarded as positive and felt ganged up on and yes that is called bullying. Have a good night!

1) MLM "snake oil" is useless, scam diet products (often referred to as "snake oil", "woo", etc.) through multi-level marketing (MLM), aka pyramid scheme, aka ripping off your friends and family. This includes, but is not limited to, useless MLM scam products such as Shakeology, Advocare, ItWorks and yes, Isagenix.

2) I was not rude or judgmental in the least, I think you're being highly hypersensitive. I simply explained to you why your post received the reception it did, based upon the history of similar posts/users in the past.

AnvilHead wrote: »

jamiemerc7 wrote: »

First off what is MLM snake oil second being I've said its my first day here do you think you could be kind and directive without being rude and judge mental? Obviously I've not posted in this forum and obviously I don't know the "proper" starting point. Look back I sure didn't feel that my views were regarded as positive and felt ganged up on and yes that is called bullying. Have a good night!

1) MLM "snake oil" is useless, scam diet products (often referred to as "snake oil", "woo", etc.) through multi-level marketing (MLM), aka pyramid scheme, aka ripping off your friends and family. This includes, but is not limited to, useless MLM scam products such as Shakeology, Advocare, ItWorks and yes, Isagenix.

2) I was not rude or judgmental in the least, I think you're being highly hypersensitive. I simply explained to you why your post received the reception it did, based upon the history of similar posts/users in the past.

Justify if it makes you happy. I don't live my life for anyone's approval. You don't know where I've been or how far I've come to get here. I'm just trying to make a point that when a person doesn't share the same view as the majority and if that person feels non acceptance that is not a warm welcoming feeling. Happy first fitness day to me!

jamiemerc7 wrote: »

Actually unless you've tried the product I'm not sure how you can judge it. I've been on it since August Have lost 20 pounds and feel the best I have ever felt. It is easy and convenient to use and the company uses a third party vendor to validate the contents of the shakes vitamins and products being consumed.

Simple; I can judge the effectiveness of 'it' by other people's experiences. A friend a year ago was using the products and lost 25 pounds. As of yesterday they gained it all back +2. What did the individual learn? IDK. My neighbor uses the products and has lost 30+ pounds. How long will the weight stay off? IDK. Is there a high likelihood she regains the weight...probably. Why? If you do not understand what are you doing then the likelihood of repeat performances seems likely. You buy the product, drop the weight, realize it is expensive to maintain use. The companies make a poop ton of cash. So, Individuals like this love the results but just like so many people, when the weight comes back, they get frustrated and move to the next product/latest buzz/item of the year for weight loss. It is part of a $66 billion dollar industry in the US so I am rarely surprised a new product/system/way to lose weight would keep cropping up.

DON'T. I did. Waste of money.

I put into MFP and it came up as under 1200 with some of their meal suggestions. Yet this is the blanket plan no matter your weight, height or medical status.

Also no change in the plan if you exercise?

Crap for the uneducated - I say that someone who once fit the category.

jamiemerc7 wrote: »

Justify if it makes you happy. I don't live my life for anyone's approval. You don't know where I've been or how far I've come to get here. I'm just trying to make a point that when a person doesn't share the same view as the majority and if that person feels non acceptance that is not a warm welcoming feeling. Happy first fitness day to me!

People will always have different viewpoints on just about anything in life, but if you're actually wondering on the "science" of weight loss, Isagenix DOESN'T work without a calorie deficit. And that's something you don't have to pay for.
As a professional in the business for many years, I've have many a person come to me with the "magic" way they lost with an MLM company only to see them a year or so later and the weight returned. And then they are back at it again with the same MLM company because somehow it worked before, yet unless it can be sustained, weight regain will reoccur.
Information offered here doesn't have to be accepted. The hope is that it may reach a few people with the same questions and save them the agony of spending money they don't have to an doing a diet that's not necessary to lose weight.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Reading through the posts, it appears that many good points were made. Going back to the original point of science or not, it really depends on if you believe the science behind whey protein.

Isagenix, Nutrisystem, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, and many others all work (for the majority) if you stick to the program. Is calorie restriction a part of each one? yes. It becomes a personal preference as to what you want to substitute in place of more and "bad" calories.

Isagenix relies (personal observation) mostly on whey protein studies, with a "match and replace" meal substitution plan, that in theory gives you most daily essentials through their shakes, snacks and weekly cleanses. Fyi, the cleanses are not "poop" cleanses, they are cellular in nature. Theory, clear toxins from cells and replace with "good stuff" from program.

Have I seen it work, yes. Have I seen people gain weight back, yes. Have I seen people keep the weight off, yes. Most of the difference is staying on the Isagenix maintenance system or some other "good habit" system, not to go back to the old habits that caused and maintained the old weight level.

Full disclosure, as you might have guessed, I am an Isagenix associate. Whether you agree with network marketing or not is not a reason to dislike a product. Either a product can help some/most people or not. In this instance, I have seen it help a reasonable amount of people first hand, but not all. Different things work for different people. If you like your meal replacement and it can help with a reduction of weight and a build up of lean muscle mass, it will work for you, either short term or long term. If you like a different one, or a different approach, that will most likely work too. Commitment is really the key in all of the systems.

Costs. As with most network marketing companies, the costs appear a little high. Most of the time there is no exact product on the "open market" to compare it with. A 30 day program is about $10 per day. The maintenance program is about $3-4 per day. A little pricey, but if you are truly substituting meals for their system it may not seem as bad, and could actually save you money per day depending on your current meal costs.

Network marketing in general: there are some good companies and some really bad ones that give the industry the reputation that it has with most people. Some big supporters: Warren Buffet, Donald Trump and some other famous business authors and entrepreneurs. Some big opponents: David Ackerman, some AG's and FDA if wrongful claims are made about products. Those that are against it are very fanatical against it, as well as those that are for it can act as if they are in a cult. Like everything, it's a personal preference. Not all/not the majority can succeed in this industry, just as they all or most won't succeed in a different industry. Some people are good at certain things and others excel at other things. Lucky for all of us that we have such diversity in all fields.

Destiny4_four wrote: »

Reading through the posts, it appears that many good points were made. Going back to the original point of science or not, it really depends on if you believe the science behind whey protein.

Isagenix, Nutrisystem, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, and many others all work (for the majority) if you stick to the program. Is calorie restriction a part of each one? yes. It becomes a personal preference as to what you want to substitute in place of more and "bad" calories.

Isagenix relies (personal observation) mostly on whey protein studies, with a "match and replace" meal substitution plan, that in theory gives you most daily essentials through their shakes, snacks and weekly cleanses. Fyi, the cleanses are not "poop" cleanses, they are cellular in nature. Theory, clear toxins from cells and replace with "good stuff" from program.

Have I seen it work, yes. Have I seen people gain weight back, yes. Have I seen people keep the weight off, yes. Most of the difference is staying on the Isagenix maintenance system or some other "good habit" system, not to go back to the old habits that caused and maintained the old weight level.

Full disclosure, as you might have guessed, I am an Isagenix associate. Whether you agree with network marketing or not is not a reason to dislike a product. Either a product can help some/most people or not. In this instance, I have seen it help a reasonable amount of people first hand, but not all. Different things work for different people. If you like your meal replacement and it can help with a reduction of weight and a build up of lean muscle mass, it will work for you, either short term or long term. If you like a different one, or a different approach, that will most likely work too. Commitment is really the key in all of the systems.

Costs. As with most network marketing companies, the costs appear a little high. Most of the time there is no exact product on the "open market" to compare it with. A 30 day program is about $10 per day. The maintenance program is about $3-4 per day. A little pricey, but if you are truly substituting meals for their system it may not seem as bad, and could actually save you money per day depending on your current meal costs.

Network marketing in general: there are some good companies and some really bad ones that give the industry the reputation that it has with most people. Some big supporters: Warren Buffet, Donald Trump and some other famous business authors and entrepreneurs. Some big opponents: David Ackerman, some AG's and FDA if wrongful claims are made about products. Those that are against it are very fanatical against it, as well as those that are for it can act as if they are in a cult. Like everything, it's a personal preference. Not all/not the majority can succeed in this industry, just as they all or most won't succeed in a different industry. Some people are good at certain things and others excel at other things. Lucky for all of us that we have such diversity in all fields.

Your body doesnt not build toxins in its system. Its why no one can actually point out these toxins. If our bodies had any measureable amoujt of toxin build up it would require hospital detoxification. Outside of that, out bodies are very effecient at eliminating any building through the kidneys and live.


No one doubts whey as effective substance, its a great supplement but it shouldn't be used as a meal replacement as even fortified, lacks a lot of nutrition. Also, it doesn't teach you how to develop an eating pattern that would continue to promote sustainment.

Destiny4_four wrote: »

Reading through the posts, it appears that many good points were made. Going back to the original point of science or not, it really depends on if you believe the science behind whey protein.

Isagenix, Nutrisystem, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, and many others all work (for the majority) if you stick to the program. Is calorie restriction a part of each one? yes. It becomes a personal preference as to what you want to substitute in place of more and "bad" calories.

Isagenix relies (personal observation) mostly on whey protein studies, with a "match and replace" meal substitution plan, that in theory gives you most daily essentials through their shakes, snacks and weekly cleanses. Fyi, the cleanses are not "poop" cleanses, they are cellular in nature. Theory, clear toxins from cells and replace with "good stuff" from program.

Have I seen it work, yes. Have I seen people gain weight back, yes. Have I seen people keep the weight off, yes. Most of the difference is staying on the Isagenix maintenance system or some other "good habit" system, not to go back to the old habits that caused and maintained the old weight level.

Full disclosure, as you might have guessed, I am an Isagenix associate. Whether you agree with network marketing or not is not a reason to dislike a product. Either a product can help some/most people or not. In this instance, I have seen it help a reasonable amount of people first hand, but not all. Different things work for different people. If you like your meal replacement and it can help with a reduction of weight and a build up of lean muscle mass, it will work for you, either short term or long term. If you like a different one, or a different approach, that will most likely work too. Commitment is really the key in all of the systems.

Costs. As with most network marketing companies, the costs appear a little high. Most of the time there is no exact product on the "open market" to compare it with. A 30 day program is about $10 per day. The maintenance program is about $3-4 per day. A little pricey, but if you are truly substituting meals for their system it may not seem as bad, and could actually save you money per day depending on your current meal costs.

Network marketing in general: there are some good companies and some really bad ones that give the industry the reputation that it has with most people. Some big supporters: Warren Buffet, Donald Trump and some other famous business authors and entrepreneurs. Some big opponents: David Ackerman, some AG's and FDA if wrongful claims are made about products. Those that are against it are very fanatical against it, as well as those that are for it can act as if they are in a cult. Like everything, it's a personal preference. Not all/not the majority can succeed in this industry, just as they all or most won't succeed in a different industry. Some people are good at certain things and others excel at other things. Lucky for all of us that we have such diversity in all fields.

Okay. Can you please explain in detail as to what 'toxins' are removed from the cell and what "good stuff" is put in!

Destiny4_four wrote: »

Queen, personally I'd rather see everyone eat better and correctly to regulate their weight and health, but unfortunately the vast majority needs a little help. My fear is that if helpful alternatives aren't offered what state of affairs are we left with then?

The vast majority is a bit over stated. You are telling people that their success is beyond their control. Helping people to learn how to eat in a deficit is the best advice one can give for life long success. without supplements.

CJsf1t wrote: »

Destiny4_four wrote: »

Reading through the posts, it appears that many good points were made. Going back to the original point of science or not, it really depends on if you believe the science behind whey protein.

Isagenix, Nutrisystem, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, and many others all work (for the majority) if you stick to the program. Is calorie restriction a part of each one? yes. It becomes a personal preference as to what you want to substitute in place of more and "bad" calories.

Isagenix relies (personal observation) mostly on whey protein studies, with a "match and replace" meal substitution plan, that in theory gives you most daily essentials through their shakes, snacks and weekly cleanses. Fyi, the cleanses are not "poop" cleanses, they are cellular in nature. Theory, clear toxins from cells and replace with "good stuff" from program.

Have I seen it work, yes. Have I seen people gain weight back, yes. Have I seen people keep the weight off, yes. Most of the difference is staying on the Isagenix maintenance system or some other "good habit" system, not to go back to the old habits that caused and maintained the old weight level.

Full disclosure, as you might have guessed, I am an Isagenix associate. Whether you agree with network marketing or not is not a reason to dislike a product. Either a product can help some/most people or not. In this instance, I have seen it help a reasonable amount of people first hand, but not all. Different things work for different people. If you like your meal replacement and it can help with a reduction of weight and a build up of lean muscle mass, it will work for you, either short term or long term. If you like a different one, or a different approach, that will most likely work too. Commitment is really the key in all of the systems.

Costs. As with most network marketing companies, the costs appear a little high. Most of the time there is no exact product on the "open market" to compare it with. A 30 day program is about $10 per day. The maintenance program is about $3-4 per day. A little pricey, but if you are truly substituting meals for their system it may not seem as bad, and could actually save you money per day depending on your current meal costs.

Network marketing in general: there are some good companies and some really bad ones that give the industry the reputation that it has with most people. Some big supporters: Warren Buffet, Donald Trump and some other famous business authors and entrepreneurs. Some big opponents: David Ackerman, some AG's and FDA if wrongful claims are made about products. Those that are against it are very fanatical against it, as well as those that are for it can act as if they are in a cult. Like everything, it's a personal preference. Not all/not the majority can succeed in this industry, just as they all or most won't succeed in a different industry. Some people are good at certain things and others excel at other things. Lucky for all of us that we have such diversity in all fields.

Okay. Can you please explain in detail as to what 'toxins' are removed from the cell and what "good stuff" is put in!

It's woo, don't believe it. Isagenix wants to believe you have toxins lurking about in your body, it's their business plan. Your liver and kidneys are filters. all your body needs.