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bethclabburn wrote: »Poor girl,
I lost 15lbs in two months which I thought was fast, my other half lost 22lbs. So I totally believe you can do anything you put your mind too.
the question is whether she should
Why shouldn't she?0 -
And a whole heap of nope to the bits I've highlighted
HIIT is great - doesn't have magical calorie burning properties
clean eating - immaterial to weight loss, not even material to hitting nutritional guidelines to be honest, just a way of eating
metabolism doesn't change like that - it's playing with water weight - if you suddenly increase your calories, and by extension carbs / sodium, your water weight fluctuates - if you know it's water weight you can ride it out for the 2 - 3 weeks you need to until it stabilises again
Reverse dieting is not anything that conserves metabolism
that is not how the metabolism works - best to think that it just is
plateaus are not compulsory
It is however a marathon and not a sprint
Never said HIIT had magical properties, just that it kick started mine as it was something different to me, got me motivated to push myself and try new things. Clean eating is not immaterial, a varied range of healthy food keeps your macro nutrients more stable. 1300 calories from lean meat and veg is better then 1300 from potatoes. Not all calories are equal, even MFPs predictions reflect that fact.
Metabolism does slow down with rapid weight loss due to the loss in LBM, increasing calories will help conserve LBM with such a drastic calorie deficit.
Plateaus are not compulsary, but they are common, these forums show that.0 -
Slimdownmb wrote: »2lbsbrianpperkins wrote: »What weekly rate of loss did you put in your MFP settings for a 1580 calorie per day goal?
2lbs - its the most u can do ...
Yet you want to lose at twice that rate. What you are saying you want to do requires a deficit of 2000 calories below tour maintenance level ... an intake of under 600 calories per day. That is why people are noting your goal is unrealistic ... it is supporting HEALTHY weight loss, not foolish and unsafe approaches.0 -
GaryHarbisher wrote: »And a whole heap of nope to the bits I've highlighted
HIIT is great - doesn't have magical calorie burning properties
clean eating - immaterial to weight loss, not even material to hitting nutritional guidelines to be honest, just a way of eating
metabolism doesn't change like that - it's playing with water weight - if you suddenly increase your calories, and by extension carbs / sodium, your water weight fluctuates - if you know it's water weight you can ride it out for the 2 - 3 weeks you need to until it stabilises again
Reverse dieting is not anything that conserves metabolism
that is not how the metabolism works - best to think that it just is
plateaus are not compulsory
It is however a marathon and not a sprint
Never said HIIT had magical properties, just that it kick started mine as it was something different to me, got me motivated to push myself and try new things. Clean eating is not immaterial, a varied range of healthy food keeps your macro nutrients more stable. 1300 calories from lean meat and veg is better then 1300 from potatoes. Not all calories are equal, even MFPs predictions reflect that fact.
Metabolism does slow down with rapid weight loss due to the loss in LBM, increasing calories will help conserve LBM with such a drastic calorie deficit.
Plateaus are not compulsary, but they are common, these forums show that.
'kick start' emotionally .. fine
clean eating is immaterial .. depends how you define it I suppose. I hit my macro and micro nutrients and don't believe I eat 'clean' in any great definition of the word
1300 calories from a range of foods will always be far superior than 1300 calories from single food stuff .. that's a strawman argument
all calories are equal .. the nutritional content of foods are not .. but calories are a unit of measurement
Metabolism does not slow down to such a great extent nor does it speed up.
adding muscle can increase your metabolic rate by 4 calories per day per lb
plateaus can be part of weight loss but are rare and are different from stalls which are common0 -
bethclabburn wrote: »bethclabburn wrote: »Poor girl,
I lost 15lbs in two months which I thought was fast, my other half lost 22lbs. So I totally believe you can do anything you put your mind too.
the question is whether she should
Why shouldn't she?
that's been answered already in this thread
various health issues, skin issues, hair issues, increased loss of LBM, more likely to crash and burn .. pick your reason and go research it .. there is a reason that medics advise 1 - 2lb per week as a healthy rate of loss and that higher rates should be under the supervision of a medical professional and used in the short term only0 -
I am actually following the calorie intake and foods from the plan my doctor gave me, her words were "do this for the rest of your life" - BAD ADVICE, even i know it isn't healthy to do this for large periods of time.
4 weeks is short term. - i wont be doing this for the rest of my life as its not sustainable. Obviously?0 -
bethclabburn wrote: »bethclabburn wrote: »Poor girl,
I lost 15lbs in two months which I thought was fast, my other half lost 22lbs. So I totally believe you can do anything you put your mind too.
the question is whether she should
Why shouldn't she?
that's been answered already in this thread
various health issues, skin issues, hair issues, increased loss of LBM, more likely to crash and burn .. pick your reason and go research it .. there is a reason that medics advise 1 - 2lb per week as a healthy rate of loss and that higher rates should be under the supervision of a medical professional and used in the short term only
Mm k0 -
Slimdownmb wrote: »I am actually following the calorie intake and foods from the plan my doctor gave me, her words were "do this for the rest of your life" - BAD ADVICE, even i know it isn't healthy to do this for large periods of time.
4 weeks is short term. - i wont be doing this for the rest of my life as its not sustainable. Obviously?
Look
If I can do it, any bugger can do it
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brianpperkins wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »2lbsbrianpperkins wrote: »What weekly rate of loss did you put in your MFP settings for a 1580 calorie per day goal?
2lbs - its the most u can do ...
Yet you want to lose at twice that rate. What you are saying you want to do requires a deficit of 2000 calories below tour maintenance level ... an intake of under 600 calories per day. That is why people are noting your goal is unrealistic ... it is supporting HEALTHY weight loss, not foolish and unsafe approaches.
I just felt the bold part needed repeating... What more anyone can say is beyond me...0 -
Slimdownmb wrote: »I am actually following the calorie intake and foods from the plan my doctor gave me, her words were "do this for the rest of your life" - BAD ADVICE, even i know it isn't healthy to do this for large periods of time.
4 weeks is short term. - i wont be doing this for the rest of my life as its not sustainable. Obviously?
How many calories per day did your doctor tell you to eat?0 -
Wiseandcurious wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »2lbsbrianpperkins wrote: »What weekly rate of loss did you put in your MFP settings for a 1580 calorie per day goal?
2lbs - its the most u can do ...
Yet you want to lose at twice that rate. What you are saying you want to do requires a deficit of 2000 calories below tour maintenance level ... an intake of under 600 calories per day. That is why people are noting your goal is unrealistic ... it is supporting HEALTHY weight loss, not foolish and unsafe approaches.
I just felt the bold part needed repeating... What more anyone can say is beyond me...
I actually don't even understand why you've commented on this post, you've have nothing to say that is actually informative or helpful. I may not agree with what the others are saying but at least they are talking about something.. whether i agree with it or not is invalid.
It was a bad idea posting this discussion - my fault, didn't think it through0 -
Hi Slimdownmb,
I’ve been where you are now and I started 1 April 2014 and I have now lost 68 lbs. It’s hard and very difficult and there is no magic in losing weight. Just keep on doing what you’re doing now and you will see the result eventually. If you’re going to do it another way you will put it back again and more.
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Does everyone think i'm new, and i'm just starting out? I've lost 33lbs so far.... I do realise its not a quick fix and that slowly and steady is much better than dropping 100lbs in 6months... I'm not stupid, despite what some may think on this discussion.
Think everyone has taken this the totally wrong way, on average my weight loss is about 3lbs a week - oh i forgot how dangerous that is! its so terrible, i'm so glad i have plenty of people on here to remind me that i'm doing it all wrong.-1 -
I started out 267lbs I'm 5ft 7 and after almost 2 yrs I'm down to 184lbs
I've used MFP the whole time
I found the first 3 weeks a nightmare and even though I was religious and logged everything and excercised 3 times a week I lost a poor 4lbs. So I understand why everyone here is saying it may seem slightly unrealistic because after my 3 weeks I almost gave up...but I didn't this time because after weeks 4 & 5 it started to then come off and before I knew it I was 28lbs off within 3 months.
My point here is, don't rush it!
Anyone can crash diet and lose a tonne of weight but what will 99% of the time happen it will come back! Because in that crash moment you've learnt only how to quickly lose rather than learn how to keep it off.
Those first few months I was killing myself looking at the scale wishing those numbers down...but I've stopped now because I realised that I have learned how to eat healthy, how to make good choices, how the bad choices and "cheat days" affect me, how effective exercise is and how much I enjoy different workouts....I've learned in time and you will too. But you need to learn it and you can't do that in a short space of time...believe me!
Don't give up
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brianpperkins wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »I am actually following the calorie intake and foods from the plan my doctor gave me, her words were "do this for the rest of your life" - BAD ADVICE, even i know it isn't healthy to do this for large periods of time.
4 weeks is short term. - i wont be doing this for the rest of my life as its not sustainable. Obviously?
How many calories per day did your doctor tell you to eat?
She didnt - She wrote me a food plan -
Breakfast - all bran/cornflakes with milk, and fruit
Lunch - Tuna/Egg Salad
Dinner - Lean Meat salad or veg
snacks - raw veg.. or fruit
She wants me to do that everyday. You work out how many calories that is. - Its way lower than 1300 - I recon 900 at a push.
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ignore it...Eat what you want & excercise regularly as long as your calories in are less than calories out..0
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Slimdownmb wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »I am actually following the calorie intake and foods from the plan my doctor gave me, her words were "do this for the rest of your life" - BAD ADVICE, even i know it isn't healthy to do this for large periods of time.
4 weeks is short term. - i wont be doing this for the rest of my life as its not sustainable. Obviously?
How many calories per day did your doctor tell you to eat?
She didnt - She wrote me a food plan -
Breakfast - all bran/cornflakes with milk, and fruit
Lunch - Tuna/Egg Salad
Dinner - Lean Meat salad or veg
snacks - raw veg.. or fruit
She wants me to do that everyday. You work out how many calories that is. - Its way lower than 1300 - I recon 900 at a push.
I'm going to assume this was your GP, in which case I wouldn't be too concerned at following her guidelines. Being so prescriptive and restrictive is setting you up for failure and as a GP she has no specialist training in this field.
And no-one is trying to make you feel bad or stupid or put off. These are experienced people, vast majority of whom have lost a lot of weight, possibly regained a lot, lost again and are now maintaining. They are speaking from a place of lived and learned experience. They are also speaking from a place of pure science and optimal health. Not to mention the tools that will give you the best possible chance of hitting your targets, both scale and what you see in the mirror.
Fast is not equal to best, however satisfying and motivating it can be to see the weight flying off. You want to lose as much fat as possible and as little muscle as possible. The faster you lose the more muscle you lose and muscle is what keeps us looking all sexy and firm and all that good stuff.
So just take a moment to digest what is being said and try to understand this isn't a personal attack, it's people imparting important, factual knowledge to help you do the absolute best you possibly can and have the best possible outcome.0 -
OP, I lost 95 lbs overall (220 to 125). I think people are concerned because when you have a lot to lose, as you do, a key element is being able to sustain it consistently for the time it takes. Focusing on losing a huge amount in 3 weeks (which may or may not be possible) is usually counterproductive, as if often makes it harder to sustain afterwards or makes you less happy with your way of eating or more prone to overindulgences. Lots of people may get frustrated that they "only" lost 9 lbs and give up or the like. It sounds like an unrealistic Biggest Loser approach which, yes, we do see here all the time, sadly.
I'm not sure what you wanted from the first post -- if you aren't new here, surely you knew the normal approach is 2 lbs/week, even when you have lots to lose (you may well lose more -- I lost more like 3 lbs per week for a while -- but sticking to MFP's recommendations is a more sensible plan).
Also, All Bran IS a starchy processed carb. Nothing wrong with that, but I find it confusing that you say you are cutting them out. When people use "carbs" to mean "high cal foods" or some such, that's just wrong and needs to be clarified, IMO, in this carb-phobic forum. Same with the term "processed." I ate cottage cheese with my vegetable omelet this morning (delicious breakfast, for the record). Of course cottage cheese is processed, but that doesn't make it bad for me.0 -
Everything has been said for and against, if this is just a short term movtivational thing and you know the consequences then that's all anyone needs to say.
So, back to the original question.
Tips:
Never sit still for more than 30min, get up and do 5min of step, yoga, hula hoop (you get the idea).
Keep your hands busy - it's hard to snack if you are knitting etc.
If you find yourself feeling wobbly or faint - eat something and sit down!
Don't beat yourself up if you fail it is a tough goal.0 -
Slimdownmb wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »I am actually following the calorie intake and foods from the plan my doctor gave me, her words were "do this for the rest of your life" - BAD ADVICE, even i know it isn't healthy to do this for large periods of time.
4 weeks is short term. - i wont be doing this for the rest of my life as its not sustainable. Obviously?
How many calories per day did your doctor tell you to eat?
She didnt - She wrote me a food plan -
Breakfast - all bran/cornflakes with milk, and fruit
Lunch - Tuna/Egg Salad
Dinner - Lean Meat salad or veg
snacks - raw veg.. or fruit
She wants me to do that everyday. You work out how many calories that is. - Its way lower than 1300 - I recon 900 at a push.
If by Doctor you mean Physician, they don't receive enough nutritional education; to give diet advice. That's why there're Dietitians, that's the only person; whom has enough professional knowledge to do so. If I had a Physician that was fraudulent enough, to pretend to be a Dietitian; I'd fire & report them!0 -
Don't get discouraged! There are many ways to lose weight. Here is what worked for me (I lost about 30 pounds and because I didn't stick to those choices I gained some back, but I am back to making these choices again because I know they worked for me) Good luck in finding what works for you!
-Count, measure, and weigh everything! It is WAY too easy to overestimate!
-Take time each morning (or the night before) to plan out your calories for the day.
-If you decide you want something else besides what you planned for, just make sure it contains about the same amount of calories so you still hit your daily caloric goal.
-Exercise, but don't eat more just because you burned some calories.
-If you do exercise include a protein shake or carnation breakfast essentials (I think it tastes better and still has 13 grams of protein with the milk): Drink this around your workout as your morning or afternoon snack.
-Eat at least 4 times a day (I like to do 5 to keep from getting hungry): Breakfast, Morning Snack (This is where I have the carnation breakfast essential), Lunch, Afternoon Snack, and Dinner. I try to eat about 200 calories in each of the first four meals and save about 400 for dinner so I feel nice and full and don't want to splurge on something I shouldn't.
-If you need that sweet treat in the evening, go for it, but make sure to count it in your daily calories. One thing I find is yogurt is a good option. You can even freeze yogurt and it seems a little more like a dessert.
-Eat whatever you want, but make sure to count it in. After doing this for a while you will learn what things keep you full longer, what things you can have more of with fewer calories, and you will begin to consider whether you would prefer to have 16 wheat thins verses 5 ritz (as an example) and probably consider avoiding things that you normally would add additional toppings to or dip in a sauce. (For me it's just not the same without it and not ALWAYS worth starving yourself over during the rest of the day in order to add in those extra 100 calories in toppings or sauces).
-Get creative and have fun! Dieting doesn't have to mean you starve or eat disgusting food. Some things can be simply switching a brand or type for example I switched over to corn tortillas (100 calories for 3) and use joseph's flax seed pitas (only 60 calories).
-Avoid purposely switching to reduced or non-fat items. While they have less fat, they generally have more sugar to make it still taste good. There are some things I prefer non fat (such as milk) but other things I buy the full fat versions because it all balances out anyway as long as I stay within my calorie count.
-Have a glass (or two) of red wine once in a while. Adding in those extra 250 calories (125 per 5oz for pinot noir) once a week or every other week is not going to kill your diet. Remember your long term goals and don't feel guilty by relaxing a little. Having 1450 calories for the day instead of 1200 is still a deficit and you will still remain on course.
Good luck and I hope you achieve your goals!0 -
So let me get this straight, all you people that probably don't have any qualifications (correct me if I'm wrong) are telling this girl to ignore her doctor?
Great advice folks.0 -
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MondayJune22nd2015 wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »I am actually following the calorie intake and foods from the plan my doctor gave me, her words were "do this for the rest of your life" - BAD ADVICE, even i know it isn't healthy to do this for large periods of time.
4 weeks is short term. - i wont be doing this for the rest of my life as its not sustainable. Obviously?
How many calories per day did your doctor tell you to eat?
She didnt - She wrote me a food plan -
Breakfast - all bran/cornflakes with milk, and fruit
Lunch - Tuna/Egg Salad
Dinner - Lean Meat salad or veg
snacks - raw veg.. or fruit
She wants me to do that everyday. You work out how many calories that is. - Its way lower than 1300 - I recon 900 at a push.
If by Doctor you mean Physician, they don't receive enough nutritional education; to give diet advice. That's why there're Dietitians, that's the only person; whom has enough professional knowledge to do so. If I had a Physician that was fraudulent enough, to pretend to be a Dietitian; I'd fire & report them!
So therefore all these people should take a back seat.0 -
bethclabburn wrote: »So let me get this straight, all you people that probably don't have any qualifications (correct me if I'm wrong) are telling this girl to ignore her doctor?
Great advice folks.
No, all of these people who probably have more qualifications and experience specifically in nutrition and weightloss than a GP are advising her not to follow that plan, or at least 2nd guess/scrutinize it.
See, there's a difference
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bethclabburn wrote: »So let me get this straight, all you people that probably don't have any qualifications (correct me if I'm wrong) are telling this girl to ignore her doctor?
Great advice folks.
No, all of these people who probably have more qualifications and experience specifically in nutrition and weightloss than a GP are advising her not to follow that plan.
See, there's a difference
How do they have more qualifications than a GP?0 -
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