Exercise = Food
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singingflutelady wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
1500 is an awful long run. Hardly anyone burns that much from exercise in a day
Goodness sake....it's an.example!!
it is an example that not applicable to about 85% of the population as no one is going to go on daily run of 15+ miles ...0 -
Yes, I agree, I did rather over exaggerate the example....apologies!singingflutelady wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
1500 is an awful long run. Hardly anyone burns that much from exercise in a day
Goodness sake....it's an.example!!
it is an example that not applicable to about 85% of the population as no one is going to go on daily run of 15+ miles ...
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It is very hard to out exercise a bad diet.
Running 1 mile burns 125-150 cals. 1 doughnut is 250+ cals...1 bananna is around 100 calories. 1 tablespoon of butter/oil is approx100 calories.
Unless you're doing alot of intense cardio....exercise is NOT the answer.
A brisk 30minute walk will burn around 150 calories (a generous estimate too) Thats ONE of the following... half a doughnut, 1.5 banannas, 2 apples, 1 glass of juice, 2 small cookies, 4 oz of raw chicken breast withput the skin.
I can't be the only one that likes the idea of being able to add food (and stay in a deficit) by exercising. That was my thought when I read the title.
I do agree, food is the most important factor in weight loss.0 -
OP, I get what you are trying to say. Exercise is overall very important for a variety of reasons - as has been pointed out. Exercise alone may result in overfeeding to the point of undoing the calorie burns from that.
A more holistic approach considers both food and exercise.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »Exercise alone may result in overfeeding to the point of undoing the calorie burns from that.
And you could also argue that exercise releases feel good endorphins that stop people from feeling miserable and depressed and wanting to stuff their faces. You can twist any argument!
OP well done on your lifestyle changes, on beating alcohol and on getting fit. Keep on keeping on! X
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http://www.runnersworld.com/weight-loss/a-weight-loss-manifesto?cid=soc_Runner's World - RunnersWorld_FBPAGE_Runner’s World__No reputable doctor or metabolism expert would ever suggest that exercise alone can stop obesity. It must be paired with a simple, healthful diet that focuses on a reduction of low-hanging calories—the high-fat and high-sugar ones. It's just that exercise has been undervalued, and diet overexposed. Consider diet's dismal track record. Why are we so intent on repeating past failures?0
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GuitarJerry wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
You're taking extremes.
Most people probably burn around 200 to 300 calories daily in exercise. That is one slice of pizza. That's the point were trying to make. It mostly happens in the kitchen.
Then they aren't exercising much if that's all they are burning.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
1500 is an awful long run. Hardly anyone burns that much from exercise in a day
Goodness sake....it's an.example!!singingflutelady wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
1500 is an awful long run. Hardly anyone burns that much from exercise in a day
Goodness sake....it's an.example!!
The issue is that in your original post, it seems like you are saying that exercise ( your example was a 30minute brisk walk), in and of itself, will produce weight loss. Which isn't true.
That's the problem, that's not really much exercise, in fact, it only barely passes as a minimum.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »Exercise alone may result in overfeeding to the point of undoing the calorie burns from that.
And you could also argue that exercise releases feel good endorphins that stop people from feeling miserable and depressed and wanting to stuff their faces. You can twist any argument!
OP well done on your lifestyle changes, on beating alcohol and on getting fit. Keep on keeping on! X
Thanks for taking my text out of context. It isn't about "twisting any argument" - typically, people that focus only on exercise and do not watch diet tend to overeat - it is a mid term response to exercise physiology - not argument twisting. This is why, time and time again, we see people load up on exercise, not see results and give up.
Again, I understand what the OP is saying. And obviously I'm all for exercise and activities (see my profile) but why not both? Be active, have fun and watch what you eat.0 -
http://www.runnersworld.com/weight-loss/a-weight-loss-manifesto?cid=soc_Runner's World - RunnersWorld_FBPAGE_Runner’s World__
"No reputable doctor or metabolism expert would ever suggest that exercise alone can stop obesity. It must be paired with a simple, healthful diet that focuses on a reduction of low-hanging calories—the high-fat and high-sugar ones. It's just that exercise has been undervalued, and diet overexposed. Consider diet's dismal track record. Why are we so intent on repeating past failures?"
CI<CO that's the key for weight loss but exercise grants a lot more benefits than simply losing weight, in fact, for overall health exercise will give more than diet for quality of life but the biggest reason people exercise is for vanity i.e. to look better. That's a shame but people are far more motivated by looks than long term health but that's just the way we are.0 -
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GuitarJerry wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
You're taking extremes.
Most people probably burn around 200 to 300 calories daily in exercise. That is one slice of pizza. That's the point were trying to make. It mostly happens in the kitchen.
Then they aren't exercising much if that's all they are burning.
Wrong.
Great explanation -- not worth time to read.
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GuitarJerry wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
You're taking extremes.
Most people probably burn around 200 to 300 calories daily in exercise. That is one slice of pizza. That's the point were trying to make. It mostly happens in the kitchen.
Then they aren't exercising much if that's all they are burning.
Wrong.
Great explanation -- not worth time to read.
I matched yours.
You're wasting time belittling people. 200-300 calories is a legit burn.
Didn't say it wasn't legit I said it wasn't much which isn't belittling it's just the truth. Sounds like you are an n=1 person since you say most people and I think you meant you.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
1500 is an awful long run. Hardly anyone burns that much from exercise in a day
Goodness sake....it's an.example!!singingflutelady wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
1500 is an awful long run. Hardly anyone burns that much from exercise in a day
Goodness sake....it's an.example!!
The issue is that in your original post, it seems like you are saying that exercise ( your example was a 30minute brisk walk), in and of itself, will produce weight loss. Which isn't true.
That's the problem, that's not really much exercise, in fact, it only barely passes as a minimum.
LOL remember you're talking to an audience where some people log dusting and hoovering as "exercise".....0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
You're taking extremes.
Most people probably burn around 200 to 300 calories daily in exercise. That is one slice of pizza. That's the point were trying to make. It mostly happens in the kitchen.
Then they aren't exercising much if that's all they are burning.
The equivalent of a two mile run every single day is not something I'd call "not exercising much".0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
You're taking extremes.
Most people probably burn around 200 to 300 calories daily in exercise. That is one slice of pizza. That's the point were trying to make. It mostly happens in the kitchen.
Then they aren't exercising much if that's all they are burning.
The equivalent of a two mile run every single day is not something I'd call "not exercising much".
Actually, if that's what you do throughout the day you would still be considered sedentary since under 5000 steps is sedentary and that's about 2 miles. If you added it on top you would still be only in the moderately active category.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
You're taking extremes.
Most people probably burn around 200 to 300 calories daily in exercise. That is one slice of pizza. That's the point were trying to make. It mostly happens in the kitchen.
Then they aren't exercising much if that's all they are burning.
The equivalent of a two mile run every single day is not something I'd call "not exercising much".
Its pretty much a bare minimum and most people don't do that.
Percent of adults 18 years of age and over who met the Physical Activity Guidelines for aerobic physical activity: 49.2%
Percent of adults 18 years of age and over who met the Physical Activity Guidelines for both aerobic physical and muscle-strengthening activity: 20.8%
Source:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/exercise.htm
The guidelines are:
2 hours and 30 minutes (150 minutes) of moderate-intensity aerobic activity (i.e., brisk walking) every week and weight trainingmuscle-strengthening activities on 2 or more days a week that work all major muscle groups (legs, hips, back, abdomen, chest, shoulders, and arms).
OR
jogging 1 hour and 15 minutes (75 minutes) of vigorous-intensity aerobic activity (i.e., jogging or running) every week and strengthening activities on 2 or more days a week that work all major muscle groups (legs, hips, back, abdomen, chest, shoulders, and arms).
OR
An equivalent mix of moderate- and vigorous-intensity aerobic activity and muscle-strengthening activities on 2 or more days a week that work all major muscle groups (legs, hips, back, abdomen, chest, shoulders, and arms).0 -
Maybe I'm getting my conversions confused here but 2 miles, 7 days a week should easily be more than those guidelines.0
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stevencloser wrote: »Maybe I'm getting my conversions confused here but 2 miles, 7 days a week should easily be more than those guidelines.
It would get more than the 150 minutes of brisk walking assuming 7 days. Still doesn't get the strength component and the 150 minutes is a minimal level that most of the population doesn't get.
Walking 2 miles a day really isn't exercising much. Not belittling anyone, just stating a fact.
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stevencloser wrote: »Maybe I'm getting my conversions confused here but 2 miles, 7 days a week should easily be more than those guidelines.
The guidlines would be about that as long as it was on top of sedentary, yes, since moderately active is the guideline and is roughly the equivelant 7500 steps per day at a minimum. Unfortuntely, the guidelines have been watered down over the years. Here is a link to the current recommendations by the ACSM for weight loss/maintenance: https://www.acsm.org/about-acsm/media-room/acsm-in-the-news/2011/08/01/acsm-position-stand-on-physical-activity-and-weight-loss-now-available
ETA: AHA and ACSM are in agreement and here is the AHA recommendations: http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/PhysicalActivity/FitnessBasics/American-Heart-Association-Recommendations-for-Physical-Activity-in-Adults_UCM_307976_Article.jsp you can see that they recommend more exercise for cardio-vascular health.
You can find a definition of intensity levels from the cdc here: http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/physical/pdf/PA_Intensity_table_2_1.pdf0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Maybe I'm getting my conversions confused here but 2 miles, 7 days a week should easily be more than those guidelines.
The guidlines would be about that as long as it was on top of sedentary, yes, since moderately active is the guideline and is roughly the equivelant 7500 steps per day at a minimum. Unfortuntely, the guidelines have been watered down over the years. Here is a link to the current recommendations by the ACSM for weight loss/maintenance: https://www.acsm.org/about-acsm/media-room/acsm-in-the-news/2011/08/01/acsm-position-stand-on-physical-activity-and-weight-loss-now-available
ETA: AHA and ACSM are in agreement and here is the AHA recommendations: http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/PhysicalActivity/FitnessBasics/American-Heart-Association-Recommendations-for-Physical-Activity-in-Adults_UCM_307976_Article.jsp you can see that they recommend more exercise for cardio-vascular health.
You can find a definition of intensity levels from the cdc here: http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/physical/pdf/PA_Intensity_table_2_1.pdf
Jogging is concidered vigorous by the CDC?0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Maybe I'm getting my conversions confused here but 2 miles, 7 days a week should easily be more than those guidelines.
The guidlines would be about that as long as it was on top of sedentary, yes, since moderately active is the guideline and is roughly the equivelant 7500 steps per day at a minimum. Unfortuntely, the guidelines have been watered down over the years. Here is a link to the current recommendations by the ACSM for weight loss/maintenance: https://www.acsm.org/about-acsm/media-room/acsm-in-the-news/2011/08/01/acsm-position-stand-on-physical-activity-and-weight-loss-now-available
ETA: AHA and ACSM are in agreement and here is the AHA recommendations: http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/PhysicalActivity/FitnessBasics/American-Heart-Association-Recommendations-for-Physical-Activity-in-Adults_UCM_307976_Article.jsp you can see that they recommend more exercise for cardio-vascular health.
You can find a definition of intensity levels from the cdc here: http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/physical/pdf/PA_Intensity_table_2_1.pdf
Jogging is concidered vigorous by the CDC?
Well, jogging is a slow to moderate run pace, so about 4.5 to 6 miles per hour (or even higher for some) depending on your conditioning levels. The important thing is the percentage of max heart rate, intensity of 60% to 90% is considered vigorous.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
not sure who is burning 1500 calories off on one run…...
You can get there if your run is in the 15 mile range.
I severely doubt it! it might just be true for a very overweight, very big guy doing this uphill but it's not going to happen for the average woman. Over 5km I burn about 170kcal, 10k 320, 20 kilometers 640 maybe? thus 15 miles would be 800, that's half of what you mention.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
not sure who is burning 1500 calories off on one run…...
You can get there if your run is in the 15 mile range.
I severely doubt it! it might just be true for a very overweight, very big guy doing this uphill but it's not going to happen for the average woman. Over 5km I burn about 170kcal, 10k 320, 20 kilometers 640 maybe? thus 15 miles would be 800, that's half of what you mention.
I'm curious how are you measuring that and how much do you weigh, and are you running or walking? Even a person at only 150 would be burning over 300 net calories on a 5K run and about 400 to 450 on a treadmill calorie meter -- I know that from experience as it was about 425 when I was 151. At 100 lbs you would still have a net burn of 65 calories per mile or 200 for a 5k and that's net calories, you would get more from a calulator or treadmill meter. This calculator here http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/4/4_1/94.shtml will put you at 245 per 5K at 100 pounds.
170 seems very low so you might want to recalculate and see what you come up with.
ETA oh and for an average woman it would be more like 300 to 400 calories per 5k.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »cico.
weight is gained or lost in the kitchen
fitness happens in the gym
to massively oversimplify it.
Yes food is a massive part of weight, but so is exercise and the fitness is a reward the body will receive in due time. "If a runner eats 3000 cals and burns 1500 off, he's not going to put weight on! Just an example. Just don't think that promoting diet without exercise is the answer to getting healthy. Human beings were blessed with a huge thigh muscle to carry us around for miles and miles, we're built to exercise!
not sure who is burning 1500 calories off on one run…...
You can get there if your run is in the 15 mile range.
I severely doubt it! it might just be true for a very overweight, very big guy doing this uphill but it's not going to happen for the average woman. Over 5km I burn about 170kcal, 10k 320, 20 kilometers 640 maybe? thus 15 miles would be 800, that's half of what you mention.
Many sites will use a fairly generic 100 calories per mile walked or ran as a rough estimate. You are right it will vary depending on the person's size. That is why I said range.
Bottom line is it takes more exercise than most people do to burn an excess 1500 calories with exercise alone on a daily basis0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Maybe I'm getting my conversions confused here but 2 miles, 7 days a week should easily be more than those guidelines.
The guidlines would be about that as long as it was on top of sedentary, yes, since moderately active is the guideline and is roughly the equivelant 7500 steps per day at a minimum. Unfortuntely, the guidelines have been watered down over the years. Here is a link to the current recommendations by the ACSM for weight loss/maintenance: https://www.acsm.org/about-acsm/media-room/acsm-in-the-news/2011/08/01/acsm-position-stand-on-physical-activity-and-weight-loss-now-available
ETA: AHA and ACSM are in agreement and here is the AHA recommendations: http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/PhysicalActivity/FitnessBasics/American-Heart-Association-Recommendations-for-Physical-Activity-in-Adults_UCM_307976_Article.jsp you can see that they recommend more exercise for cardio-vascular health.
You can find a definition of intensity levels from the cdc here: http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/physical/pdf/PA_Intensity_table_2_1.pdf
Jogging is concidered vigorous by the CDC?
Yes, pretty sad. They are defining exercise levels to meet to the terrible condition many in the US are in.0
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