CLA and even C4 pre work out

psulemon wrote: »

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

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usmcmp wrote: »

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senecarr wrote: »

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senecarr wrote: »

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

Most people from these posts are no help lol take care everyone

Quite the contrary. You received the most useful advice possible: consult with a trainer, preferably a sports rehab / physical therapy specialist, to fix your shoulder problem. Barring that, any substance that's really going to do anything your shoulders isn't going to be for sale at a GNC.

No I have not. I asked about C4 and CLA I already have a trainer and a sports Medicin Doctor. The problem is people ver off the question at hand which was asking about safe or any Usuall suppliments for gym use. You have yet to mention a single one. No help

I have some beans I'll sell you that give giant strength. $50, I'll mail it to you.

Funny...I actually eat jelly beans when I am working out for a quick boost of energy. lol But not for $50.00.

@jakeziskin1 What everyone is trying to tell you is that the C4 and CLA will not make a difference in your progress. Trust the tracking, workouts and process. The people making these comments are experienced and have knowledge. All will be good.

No most the people making these comments are not experienced. I already knew the advice on healthy living, eating, sleeping and so on. I do appreciate the advice, but I have gotten no help. Personally I have used creatine MONOHYDRATE and noticed an increase in weight lifting, I was just asking about other helpful products. They all can't be scamed products and some from my experience have worked wonders.

There's this not widely known thing that some companies do called supplement doping. The first few batches of products will contain steroids or other banned substances to ensure people see improvement. Later batches will not contain them, but by that point everyone swears that they work. They get away with it because by the time someone is suspicious of the product the company has the non-doped formula in production.

Wow get out of here? So is that why suppliments leave the market like Oxyelite pro? I never knew they lied to us like that. I appreciate the advice you have given me! So do you also not like CREATINE MONOHYDRATE is that to a gimmic?

Yes, Oxyelite worked due to it being spiked just like Jack3D and many others.

I suggested creatine on page one. The link I gave you earlier will tell you that creatine is a solid supplement and the most tested one out there. I personally only use that and GABA. GABA helps me sleep better and although it is said to possibly contribute to test levels they haven't been able to prove it actually impacts muscle or performance.

I to take GABA. Il look at your link. Thank you again. Also doesn't CREATINE bloat you?

Creatine does not bloat you. But it did cause me severe GI issues when I took it.

GI issues? What's thay

Gastrointestinal - it caused me severe stomach issues.

ninerbuff wrote: »

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

ninerbuff wrote: »

kolbykdotcom wrote: »

The new C4 formula is weak imo. I use the Beachbody performance line preworkout as has no artificial junk in it.

Lol, kinda of an oxymoron statement because it's a processed product.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Any recommendations

Do you need a preworkout? Many just take it because......well everyone else is. My personal opinion is that if someone is getting adequate rest and meeting their macro/micronutrient needs, then really just a burst or caffeine should do ya. The rest is just hype.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

BecomingBane wrote: »

jofjltncb6 wrote: »

Oh, ZMA (or the individual components of it).

Performance enhancing? Probably not. But dreaming in HD? Yes, and totally worth it. So upgrade your sleep with some ZMA!

I'm jealous. ZMA doesn't affect my dreams.

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

usmcmp wrote: »

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

usmcmp wrote: »

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

ninerbuff wrote: »

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

ninerbuff wrote: »

kolbykdotcom wrote: »

The new C4 formula is weak imo. I use the Beachbody performance line preworkout as has no artificial junk in it.

Lol, kinda of an oxymoron statement because it's a processed product.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Any recommendations

Do you need a preworkout? Many just take it because......well everyone else is. My personal opinion is that if someone is getting adequate rest and meeting their macro/micronutrient needs, then really just a burst or caffeine should do ya. The rest is just hype.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

I don't need the caffeine. I have to much energy as it is lol
I'm not interested in an energy boost
I want something to help me lift weights.

I have been struggling for years due to a shoulder injury and I can only bench press 135lbs. I use to life over 200lbs

I'm not interested in steroids or anything illegal. I have no desire to hurt my body or take drugs. But are there no legal supplements to help boost your testosterone or give you a boost when I'm at the gym.

Creatine is about the only thing that is going to help and that help is minimal. It's time for you to invest in a high quality trainer.

I'm not interested in wast wing money on a trainer.
I have a best friend who's a food and fitness instructor and her boyfriend is a personal trainer. Aside from that I've taken weight training in high school and college, wrestled, played baseball, basket ball and football, so I know plenty of work outs and routines. My problem is my body and the wear and tear it has taken. I'm looking for aomething to help give me that boost. Creatine isn't great, I've tried it and think it's ok, just bloats me with water, I want muscle not water lol

My trainer has been far from a waste. Investing in training has done more for me than any supplement will ever do. Personalized instruction can help recovery and help you build muscle. You can keep throwing money at supplements in hopes that they will be a band-aid solution or you can fix the problem with one on one training.

Did you read my post?
I already have a trainer and food and nutrition specialist. Throwing money away on supplements? There's a reason so many guys take supplements at the gym, it's so they get bigger. I think I'd have much more help from body building men, I'm not new to the gym in anyway so I don't need training advice, thank but it's not the help I'm looking to get

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

usmcmp wrote: »

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

usmcmp wrote: »

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

ninerbuff wrote: »

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

ninerbuff wrote: »

kolbykdotcom wrote: »

The new C4 formula is weak imo. I use the Beachbody performance line preworkout as has no artificial junk in it.

Lol, kinda of an oxymoron statement because it's a processed product.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Any recommendations

Do you need a preworkout? Many just take it because......well everyone else is. My personal opinion is that if someone is getting adequate rest and meeting their macro/micronutrient needs, then really just a burst or caffeine should do ya. The rest is just hype.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

I don't need the caffeine. I have to much energy as it is lol
I'm not interested in an energy boost
I want something to help me lift weights.

I have been struggling for years due to a shoulder injury and I can only bench press 135lbs. I use to life over 200lbs

I'm not interested in steroids or anything illegal. I have no desire to hurt my body or take drugs. But are there no legal supplements to help boost your testosterone or give you a boost when I'm at the gym.

Creatine is about the only thing that is going to help and that help is minimal. It's time for you to invest in a high quality trainer.

I'm not interested in wast wing money on a trainer.
I have a best friend who's a food and fitness instructor and her boyfriend is a personal trainer. Aside from that I've taken weight training in high school and college, wrestled, played baseball, basket ball and football, so I know plenty of work outs and routines. My problem is my body and the wear and tear it has taken. I'm looking for aomething to help give me that boost. Creatine isn't great, I've tried it and think it's ok, just bloats me with water, I want muscle not water lol

My trainer has been far from a waste. Investing in training has done more for me than any supplement will ever do. Personalized instruction can help recovery and help you build muscle. You can keep throwing money at supplements in hopes that they will be a band-aid solution or you can fix the problem with one on one training.

Did you read my post?
I already have a trainer and food and nutrition specialist. Throwing money away on supplements? There's a reason so many guys take supplements at the gym, it's so they get bigger. I think I'd have much more help from body building men, I'm not new to the gym in anyway so I don't need training advice, thank but it's not the help I'm looking to get

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

usmcmp wrote: »

jakeziskin1 wrote: »

senecarr wrote: »

If you already have low test, it would be a doctor's call to prescribe you something.
If you testosterone is normal, there's scant evidence that anything less than doubling normal testosterone and going into supranormal levels will impact performance to a statistically significant amount.

Can you repeat this I don't understand what you wrote. My test level is fine, I want something for more of a pump for weight lifting

What he said was that since your test levels are fine you would have to double your normal levels to see improvement and the only way to do that is illegal.

The pump isn't what makes your lifts better or makes your muscles grow. An appropriate training plan and improved lifting technique will.

What's the pump for then?

usmcmp wrote: »

BecomingBane wrote: »

I haven't but I might give it a go. I rarely dream... something to do with REM levels or whatnot... my doctor had words for it. I always get jealous listening to my friends talk about their weird *kitten* dreams.

GABA is pretty cheap from Bodybuilding.com. I prefer Hibern8 to powdered GABA. I cycle between the two, but I don't use them often.

TR0berts wrote: »

About halfway through page one, I figured this had to be a troll thread.

By the time I got halfway through page two, I was convinced.

jofjltncb6 wrote: »

BecomingBane wrote: »

jofjltncb6 wrote: »

Oh, ZMA (or the individual components of it).

Performance enhancing? Probably not. But dreaming in HD? Yes, and totally worth it. So upgrade your sleep with some ZMA!

I'm jealous. ZMA doesn't affect my dreams.

Even if you took a full dose?

This is a very sad story. My ZMA dreams are incredible...and complex...and detailed...and vivid.

BecomingBane wrote: »

jofjltncb6 wrote: »

Oh, ZMA (or the individual components of it).

Performance enhancing? Probably not. But dreaming in HD? Yes, and totally worth it. So upgrade your sleep with some ZMA!

I'm jealous. ZMA doesn't affect my dreams.