Does steam bath/ hot sauna help in reducing fat??
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »arditarose wrote: »I go in the sauna when I'm bloated just to lose some water weight and have my pants feel less tight for like...5 minutes. Until I drink water again.
Mostly I go and roll my shoulders out on a tennis ball if I'm very tight.
Can you imagine if all we had to do was sit in a hot room to lose weight?
I would be screwed then lol no sauna in my area that I know of. heck the nearest gym is 60 miles one way
Oh my god you'd have to move lol
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^^^^^THISWe just had a very intense discussion about this in a previous thread in the Fitness Exercise section LOL.
Basically, no. Sauna on its own does not burn enough calories or contribute to weight loss.
However the benefits are still noteworthy. It helps with recovery, relaxation, stress relief, skin Rejuvenation and improved endurance.
Make sure you rehydrate after the sauna and do sessions of MAX 30 minutes
You burn about 42 calories in half hour. So try doing your weight lifting or cardio and then treat yourself to a sauna session for relaxation. And honestly for me personally I feel like a million bucks after I go into the sauna and then take a cool shower!0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Found an "expert" that is saying the same thing I am. Since I used google to find it is it less credible? lol. It from the WebMD question & answer section...
Q: Do sauna's contribute to weight loss?
From Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist Mark Kaelin
A: The short answer is, no. Generally after time in a sauna you might go to the scale and see that the number is lower but that represents the water you lost from sweating and will increase as soon as you replace those lost fluids, Which you need to do so, you don't become dehydrated.
While being exposed to high temps can increase your metabolism and slightly increase the number of calories you burn this is only because your body is working to keep your temperature within normal ranges. Once, you leave the environment your metabolism will return to normal.
Bottom line, time spent in a sauna would be more effectively used to prepare a healthy meal or more exercise. That being said, if you enjoy time in the sauna, use it as a motivation tool. Reward yourself with some time in the sauna everytime you visit the gym.
http://answers.webmd.com/expert/50475/mark-kaelin-certified-strength-and-conditioning-specialist
Web MD is about as credible a source as Dr. Oz. <eye rolly>
More credible than MFP posters
Mirror?
For yourself? ...if you'd like.
I've provided sources outside of mfp. You're welcome
No, for you, sorry you are wrong but it would be nice for you to just admit you made the mistake and move on. It's better to just let it go. Your "basic biology" wasn't and your "credible sources" aren't and didn't support your points in any event.
On what point am incorrect? Sources please.0 -
minniesb69 wrote: »Again, Im not saying a person can go from fat to flat using a sauna. That is ridiculous. I'm saying sauna's detoxify the skin & increases the heart rate which burns calories.
You said increased heart rate=higher calorie burn0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Again, Im not saying a person can go from fat to flat using a sauna. That is ridiculous. I'm saying sauna's detoxify the skin & increases the heart rate which burns calories.
You said increased heart rate=higher calorie burn
And this is true. While in a sauna heart rate increases due to temp change which increases oxygen and burns a small amount of calories. Please find a source that says this is not correct.
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And for the ppl that said they were sick and had a high heart rate...please comprehend the fact that the amount burned is minimal and intake works against it.0
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singingflutelady wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Again, Im not saying a person can go from fat to flat using a sauna. That is ridiculous. I'm saying sauna's detoxify the skin & increases the heart rate which burns calories.
You said increased heart rate=higher calorie burn
Did I ever say "higher calorie burn"? If I did I can see how that was misinterpreted. If I stated this it means overall. As in, in addition to what you already burned. I didnt mean it as saunas burn alot of calories. I've stated several times that it doesnt.0 -
minniesb69 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Again, Im not saying a person can go from fat to flat using a sauna. That is ridiculous. I'm saying sauna's detoxify the skin & increases the heart rate which burns calories.
You said increased heart rate=higher calorie burn
Did I ever say "higher calorie burn"? If I did I can see how that was misinterpreted. If I stated this it means overall. As in, in addition to what you already burned. I didnt mean it as saunas burn alot of calories. I've stated several times that it doesnt.
So really, your initial post which said "it detoxifies skin and burns calories" should have had one of those little * next to it, with a disclaimer that said [*extra calories burns are minimal and will not contribute to fat loss]?
See your initial post, given that it is in response to someone asking if a sauna will reduce fat, can only really be interpreted as you saying yes it would, because it burns 'extra' calories.0 -
minniesb69 wrote: »I will repeat, its not a miracle fat loss machine...its basic science. SCIENCE...the heart pumps the blood to transport the oxygen. They are part of the same cycle. You are saying the same thing. This article explains how the increased heart rate helps oxygen flow which in turn burns calories. http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/burn-calories-heart-beats-faster-8069.html My statement is correct, increased heart rate increases calorie burn. Simple science
Maybe you'll believe an anti-sauna article. This states that saunas are merely for relaxation and not much benefit besides that...yet it likens the increased heart rate from the sauna to "a slow jog" and makes the connection between heart rate and calories. Basically they are saying sauna isnt going to have the same affect and working out but it does something no matter how miniscule. It also says sauna's send oxygen to the skin. Which brings me to my next point... http://woman.thenest.com/difference-heart-rate-between-running-sauna-19051.html
Your statement, your words.0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Again, Im not saying a person can go from fat to flat using a sauna. That is ridiculous. I'm saying sauna's detoxify the skin & increases the heart rate which burns calories.
You said increased heart rate=higher calorie burn
Did I ever say "higher calorie burn"? If I did I can see how that was misinterpreted. If I stated this it means overall. As in, in addition to what you already burned. I didnt mean it as saunas burn alot of calories. I've stated several times that it doesnt.
So really, your initial post which said "it detoxifies skin and burns calories" should have had one of those little * next to it, with a disclaimer that said [*extra calories burns are minimal and will not contribute to fat loss]?
See your initial post, given that it is in response to someone asking if a sauna will reduce fat, can only really be interpreted as you saying yes it would, because it burns 'extra' calories.
But I didnt say it reduces fat...I said it detoxifies skin and burns calories. It can only be interpreted as exactly what I said...it detoxifies and burns calories. Thats is what I'm still saying. I even said it doesnt work for weightloss. I said time and time again that its minimal. I still dont get why ppl got all riled up. Maybe people shouldnt assume.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »I will repeat, its not a miracle fat loss machine...its basic science. SCIENCE...the heart pumps the blood to transport the oxygen. They are part of the same cycle. You are saying the same thing. This article explains how the increased heart rate helps oxygen flow which in turn burns calories. http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/burn-calories-heart-beats-faster-8069.html My statement is correct, increased heart rate increases calorie burn. Simple science
Maybe you'll believe an anti-sauna article. This states that saunas are merely for relaxation and not much benefit besides that...yet it likens the increased heart rate from the sauna to "a slow jog" and makes the connection between heart rate and calories. Basically they are saying sauna isnt going to have the same affect and working out but it does something no matter how miniscule. It also says sauna's send oxygen to the skin. Which brings me to my next point... http://woman.thenest.com/difference-heart-rate-between-running-sauna-19051.html
Your statement, your words.
Yes. What in this post am I straying from? What are you trying to point out? Lol. Im saying the same thing. Saunas burn calories and detoxify the skin.
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minniesb69 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »I will repeat, its not a miracle fat loss machine...its basic science. SCIENCE...the heart pumps the blood to transport the oxygen. They are part of the same cycle. You are saying the same thing. This article explains how the increased heart rate helps oxygen flow which in turn burns calories. http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/burn-calories-heart-beats-faster-8069.html My statement is correct, increased heart rate increases calorie burn. Simple science
Maybe you'll believe an anti-sauna article. This states that saunas are merely for relaxation and not much benefit besides that...yet it likens the increased heart rate from the sauna to "a slow jog" and makes the connection between heart rate and calories. Basically they are saying sauna isnt going to have the same affect and working out but it does something no matter how miniscule. It also says sauna's send oxygen to the skin. Which brings me to my next point... http://woman.thenest.com/difference-heart-rate-between-running-sauna-19051.html
Your statement, your words.
Yes. What in this post am I straying from? What are you trying to point out? Lol. Im saying the same thing. Saunas burn calories and detoxify the skin.
What toxins?0 -
minniesb69 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »I will repeat, its not a miracle fat loss machine...its basic science. SCIENCE...the heart pumps the blood to transport the oxygen. They are part of the same cycle. You are saying the same thing. This article explains how the increased heart rate helps oxygen flow which in turn burns calories. http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/burn-calories-heart-beats-faster-8069.html My statement is correct, increased heart rate increases calorie burn. Simple science
Maybe you'll believe an anti-sauna article. This states that saunas are merely for relaxation and not much benefit besides that...yet it likens the increased heart rate from the sauna to "a slow jog" and makes the connection between heart rate and calories. Basically they are saying sauna isnt going to have the same affect and working out but it does something no matter how miniscule. It also says sauna's send oxygen to the skin. Which brings me to my next point... http://woman.thenest.com/difference-heart-rate-between-running-sauna-19051.html
Your statement, your words.
Yes. What in this post am I straying from? What are you trying to point out? Lol. Im saying the same thing. Saunas burn calories and detoxify the skin.
Wow, did you see the bolded words in your statement?
increased heart rate increases calorie burn0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »I will repeat, its not a miracle fat loss machine...its basic science. SCIENCE...the heart pumps the blood to transport the oxygen. They are part of the same cycle. You are saying the same thing. This article explains how the increased heart rate helps oxygen flow which in turn burns calories. http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/burn-calories-heart-beats-faster-8069.html My statement is correct, increased heart rate increases calorie burn. Simple science
Maybe you'll believe an anti-sauna article. This states that saunas are merely for relaxation and not much benefit besides that...yet it likens the increased heart rate from the sauna to "a slow jog" and makes the connection between heart rate and calories. Basically they are saying sauna isnt going to have the same affect and working out but it does something no matter how miniscule. It also says sauna's send oxygen to the skin. Which brings me to my next point... http://woman.thenest.com/difference-heart-rate-between-running-sauna-19051.html
Your statement, your words.
Yes. What in this post am I straying from? What are you trying to point out? Lol. Im saying the same thing. Saunas burn calories and detoxify the skin.
Wow, did you see the bolded words in your statement?
increased heart rate increases calorie burn
I AM STILL SAYING THIS EXACT SAME THING. Geeze.
Saunas increase the heart rate which increases oxygen which burns calories. I have explained how my word choice of "increased calorie burn" could have been misinterpreted. Doesnt change my point. You've shown me one instance where I used this poor word choice. Every place else I said it burns calories and it does.0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »I will repeat, its not a miracle fat loss machine...its basic science. SCIENCE...the heart pumps the blood to transport the oxygen. They are part of the same cycle. You are saying the same thing. This article explains how the increased heart rate helps oxygen flow which in turn burns calories. http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/burn-calories-heart-beats-faster-8069.html My statement is correct, increased heart rate increases calorie burn. Simple science
Maybe you'll believe an anti-sauna article. This states that saunas are merely for relaxation and not much benefit besides that...yet it likens the increased heart rate from the sauna to "a slow jog" and makes the connection between heart rate and calories. Basically they are saying sauna isnt going to have the same affect and working out but it does something no matter how miniscule. It also says sauna's send oxygen to the skin. Which brings me to my next point... http://woman.thenest.com/difference-heart-rate-between-running-sauna-19051.html
Your statement, your words.
Yes. What in this post am I straying from? What are you trying to point out? Lol. Im saying the same thing. Saunas burn calories and detoxify the skin.
What toxins?
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Sweat detoxifies pores, there are millions of pores on your skin, sauna's make you sweat, sauna's detoxify the skin. Easy peasy.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/sweat-it-out-5-surprising-health-benefits-sweating-actually-dont-stink-309718
http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/fitness/exercises/sweating-why-its-good-for-you.html
http://www.drwhitaker.com/health-benefits-of-a-sauna/ "The primary benefits of a sauna is that it induces sweating. Although most of us go to great lengths to avoid sweating, perspiration has two essential functions: It cools you down, and it rids the body of waste products."
I have no life so I'm fine with going in circles. It'll take my mind off of eating
I guess when you said you had credible sources I thought you meant real credible sources and not GoogleU and the first articles you could find. Did you even read those? How does exercise intentisy have to do with sitting your butt in a steam room? Your first two articles (in your first post) have nothing to do with burning extra calories, actually the second actually contradicts your premise (from http://woman.thenest.com/difference-heart-rate-between-running-sauna-19051.html):
"Health Benefits
Despite the elevated heart rate, soaking up heat in the sauna is not shown to have much benefit besides relaxation, according to Harvard Medical School. Running, on the other hand, burns serious calories for weight management, increases endurance, reduces heart-disease risk and improves immune function. Aerobic exercise is so important for your health that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention instructs all adults to get 75 to 150 minutes per week of vigorous cardio, like running, or 150 to 300 minutes per week of moderate cardio, like brisk walking or freestyle dancing."
So again you aren't proving a thing anything. I'm not even going to read the last two since you aren't really showing that you understand the topic.
Please go re-read my comment. I addressed everything you "caught me" on.
I think you are still confused as the relationship between HR and calories consumed. The two are only connected through oxegen consumption but that's not as easy as just measuring your HR as anyone who has used a HRM during anerobic exercise and lifting can tell you.
No, Im not. thanks tho. From the same article I posted..the same one you just quoted, the same one that says saunas have no affect on calories... it also says that the affects of a sauna is like a slow jog. Are you telling me a slow jog burns no calories?
"The sauna won't get your blood flowing quite like a speedy sprint, but the pulse-raising effects may be similar to a slower jog in some cases."
Ok, I see you've modified your statements a bit. I indicated before a slight increase in caloric burn is possible, and that is due to temperature regulation as you've found in another article. We have found evidence that warm weather running burns slightly more than cold weather jogging even though it was thought for a long time to be the reverse. However, sitting in a warm sauna will burn less than standing in the cold. Not sure what they mean by effects of a slow job here since that's pretty nebulous.
Lol. I didn't modify a thing...you just finally understood what I've been saying this whole time.0 -
minniesb69 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »I will repeat, its not a miracle fat loss machine...its basic science. SCIENCE...the heart pumps the blood to transport the oxygen. They are part of the same cycle. You are saying the same thing. This article explains how the increased heart rate helps oxygen flow which in turn burns calories. http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/burn-calories-heart-beats-faster-8069.html My statement is correct, increased heart rate increases calorie burn. Simple science
Maybe you'll believe an anti-sauna article. This states that saunas are merely for relaxation and not much benefit besides that...yet it likens the increased heart rate from the sauna to "a slow jog" and makes the connection between heart rate and calories. Basically they are saying sauna isnt going to have the same affect and working out but it does something no matter how miniscule. It also says sauna's send oxygen to the skin. Which brings me to my next point... http://woman.thenest.com/difference-heart-rate-between-running-sauna-19051.html
Your statement, your words.
Yes. What in this post am I straying from? What are you trying to point out? Lol. Im saying the same thing. Saunas burn calories and detoxify the skin.
Wow, did you see the bolded words in your statement?
increased heart rate increases calorie burn
I AM STILL SAYING THIS EXACT SAME THING. Geeze.
Saunas increase the heart rate which increases oxygen which burns calories. I have explained how my word choice of "increased calorie burn" could have been misinterpreted. Doesnt change my point. You've shown me one instance where I used this poor word choice. Every place else I said it burns calories and it does.
We were just correcting your misinformation.0 -
No it's not. You won't find any toxins in sweat because the body doesn't produce it nor stores it.minniesb69 wrote: »Whaaa? Lol. Come on. This is very basic stuff. It's not the sauna itself its the act of sweating, open pores get cleared out whenever u sweat. Thats detoxing.
Anecdotes aren't evidence.My skin has a healthy glow after each sauna session.
The increase in heart rate doesn't mean calorie burn is significant. Heart rate increases during a scary movie. Are there any proven benefits to letting get your heart rate up to watch them?Body temp increase means heart rate increases...increased heart rate is increased calorie burn. It's not like im saying its a miracle worker...just the opposite, its basic biology. You wont lose more weight but there are proven benefits. I can provide credible sources if needed but I've seen no credible source disprove what I learned in middle school.
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1. Toxins are in the body. You need to read up.
2. What you call ancedotes are my personal facts and they are legit.
3. You are saying the same thing i am about calories burned in the sauna. Why is it so hard for ppl to understand that I'm NOT saying its a weight loss tool or an efficient way to burn calories?0 -
Wow. With the vitriol in some of these posts I feel like I'm at a Donald Trump rally. I have an idea. Rather than give people a hard time because you don't like their sources, how about a little common sense, your own research, and some respect?
"The appeal of saunas in general is that they cause reactions, such as vigorous sweating and increased heart rate, similar to those elicited by moderate exercise." (http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/expert-answers/infrared-sauna/faq-20057954)
"Metabolism is the process by which your body converts what you eat and drink into energy. During this complex biochemical process, calories in food and beverages are combined with oxygen to release the energy your body needs to function... In addition to your basal metabolic rate, two other factors determine how many calories your body burns each day: Food processing (thermogenesis), Physical activity.... While it is true that some people seem to be able to lose weight more quickly and more easily than others, everyone will lose weight when they burn up more calories than they eat. Therefore, to lose weight, you need to create an energy deficit by eating fewer calories or increasing the number of calories you burn through physical activity or both." (http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/in-depth/metabolism/art-20046508).
I'm a medical professional. After my years of professional training, while I don't know everything, there are some things I do know, and one of them is that in increased temperatures, your heart rate often increases to try to cool your body down. Yes, you do sweat more (and lose water weight), but your body is also burning more calories. As the Mayo Clinic pointed out, "Even when you're at rest, your body needs energy for all its "hidden" functions, such as breathing, circulating blood, adjusting hormone levels, and growing and repairing cells. The number of calories your body uses to carry out these basic functions is known as your basal metabolic rate — what you might call metabolism". If you are burning calories even at rest, then surely you are burning more when your energy needs are increased (ie, increased heart rate, etc,).
NOW BEFORE ALL THE QUICK TO JUDGE START BASHING - Do not misunderstand what anybody is saying. Yes, just living burns calories, but if you intake more calories than you consume, you aren't going to lose weight. While the sauna may help burn a FEW calories, if you are looking for more beneficial and substantial weight loss, then increase your physical exercise and decrease your calories.
But to answer your original question, yes, the sauna does help burn calories, which will help burn fat.
But if you want to want to argue for the sake of argueing, then have fun at the Trump rally.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »I will repeat, its not a miracle fat loss machine...its basic science. SCIENCE...the heart pumps the blood to transport the oxygen. They are part of the same cycle. You are saying the same thing. This article explains how the increased heart rate helps oxygen flow which in turn burns calories. http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/burn-calories-heart-beats-faster-8069.html My statement is correct, increased heart rate increases calorie burn. Simple science
Maybe you'll believe an anti-sauna article. This states that saunas are merely for relaxation and not much benefit besides that...yet it likens the increased heart rate from the sauna to "a slow jog" and makes the connection between heart rate and calories. Basically they are saying sauna isnt going to have the same affect and working out but it does something no matter how miniscule. It also says sauna's send oxygen to the skin. Which brings me to my next point... http://woman.thenest.com/difference-heart-rate-between-running-sauna-19051.html
Your statement, your words.
Yes. What in this post am I straying from? What are you trying to point out? Lol. Im saying the same thing. Saunas burn calories and detoxify the skin.
Wow, did you see the bolded words in your statement?
increased heart rate increases calorie burn
I AM STILL SAYING THIS EXACT SAME THING. Geeze.
Saunas increase the heart rate which increases oxygen which burns calories. I have explained how my word choice of "increased calorie burn" could have been misinterpreted. Doesnt change my point. You've shown me one instance where I used this poor word choice. Every place else I said it burns calories and it does.
We were just correcting your misinformation.
What misinformation? Everything I have stated is fact.0
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