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cdstewart51115 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »No we just want to read your scientific peer reviewed studies because we are science people . I have never seen any peer reviewed studies saying our body struggles to assimilate processed foods. Linking studies helps educate people. Making claims without backing them up does not.
Point taken, but the links would not work even if i could. to post copy written material is against the law as well. Only members can access it. I go through so many, that my mistake has been to not notate the sources. This does proves that I should and when I get back to my home computer, I will track a few down to post later this week.
But the main point here is I posed another opinion and the wolves came out to attack. Being a new person here, it certainly does seem it very welcoming or respectful of opinions outside of your own. That in itself is sad enough. Would you attack a Vegan when they say people were not designed to eat meat and it is bad for you?? My simple observation and input brought out rather unbecoming behavior.
It's fine to have a difference of opinion.
Just don't state your opinions as facts.
Again, no one "attacked" you. We questioned the logic in the information that you presented.0 -
cdstewart51115 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »No we just want to read your scientific peer reviewed studies because we are science people . I have never seen any peer reviewed studies saying our body struggles to assimilate processed foods. Linking studies helps educate people. Making claims without backing them up does not.
Point taken, but the links would not work even if i could. to post copy written material is against the law as well. Only members can access it. I go through so many, that my mistake has been to not notate the sources. This does proves that I should and when I get back to my home computer, I will track a few down to post later this week.
But the main point here is I posed another opinion and the wolves came out to attack. Being a new person here, it certainly does seem it very welcoming or respectful of opinions outside of your own. That in itself is sad enough. Would you attack a Vegan when they say people were not designed to eat meat and it is bad for you?? My simple observation and input brought out rather unbecoming behavior.
Post the title, authors, and name of the journal when you get the chance, then, and I'll look it up when I get to the office. There is nothing illegal about that.0 -
cdstewart51115 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Are your "reputable sources" mercola?
Since I have not heard of that, I would have to say no LOL! HSI is the main source, but there are others.
As in http://hsionline.com/ ? Like, on the 5th Day, God said, "and lo, those artificial sweetners will rend thy flesh and render you to a lower plane. Do no drink of them for they are of the left-hand"?
I must have the abridged version...0 -
cdstewart51115 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »No we just want to read your scientific peer reviewed studies because we are science people . I have never seen any peer reviewed studies saying our body struggles to assimilate processed foods. Linking studies helps educate people. Making claims without backing them up does not.
Point taken, but the links would not work even if i could. to post copy written material is against the law as well. Only members can access it. I go through so many, that my mistake has been to not notate the sources. This does proves that I should and when I get back to my home computer, I will track a few down to post later this week.
But the main point here is I posed another opinion and the wolves came out to attack. Being a new person here, it certainly does seem it very welcoming or respectful of opinions outside of your own. That in itself is sad enough. Would you attack a Vegan when they say people were not designed to eat meat and it is bad for you?? My simple observation and input brought out rather unbecoming behavior.
I didn't see anyone attack anyone in this thread, and I don't see how looking for evidence is unbecoming.
The problem is that these are not opinions - you are presenting your statements as facts, and there just isn't credible evidence that I can find to back them up. If I say I like the taste of Diet Coke and you say you hate it, that's fine - those are opinions. We agree to disagree about the taste of Diet Coke. If there is credible evidence that our bodies struggle to assimilate processed foods, it won't just be present on a secret members-only site. (In my limited access to the information on the site, I came across some pretty shady claims about miracle cancer cures that are definitely not supported by the scientific community.)
I am new to this forum, and one thing I really appreciate about it is the fact that people do approach these subjects so critically. I'm so tired of hearing misinformation about health and fitness from people who have heard it before and pass it along as fact, further confusing matters. This morning our office hosted a representative from our fitness centre to talk to us about healthy eating, and the incorrect information she presented was killing me. I really appreciate the healthy debate and different perspectives in here, but it doesn't help the discussion to present statements that are not backed by credible scientific information.0 -
redraidergirl2009 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »No we just want to read your scientific peer reviewed studies because we are science people . I have never seen any peer reviewed studies saying our body struggles to assimilate processed foods. Linking studies helps educate people. Making claims without backing them up does not.
What science do you work in?
I see you are trying to make an ad hominem argument by attempting to attack this person's "credentials" rather than actually providing proof for your own argument. Please link to studies in published journals.
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"Thus, one would ask, “Why is there a need for a comprehensive review of aspartame safety data at this point in
time?” Questions about its safety continue to be raised by a few individuals. Safety issues long ago resolved to the
satisfaction of regulatory agencies and expert committees are today resurrected by some as if new. Early on these
issues were based on scientific hypothesis, misinterpretation of data, and/or anecdotal reports of adverse health
effects. Recently spurious and imaginative, hypothetical questions that are lacking even anecdotal support or a
logical scientific rationale have compounded these issues. Given the extensive safety database and many years
of safe human exposure, the continuing debate about aspartame is most unusual."
http://seriecientifica.org/sites/default/files/scl_enc_butchko.pdf0 -
I should mention that even though I don't work in science I have worked in education and have 2 university degrees plus some courses I took for fun ( including some sciences and medical ethics) so I know how to read and understand studies. I have learnt how you need to provide proof when making claims from medical ethics and I have learnt that making unsubstantiated claims without backing them up from my studies in education and ethics.
I am also chronically ill so I read all of the research that comes out on my disease and like to be well informed instead of blindly believing what others tell me.
I have also participated in a double blind placebo controlled clinical drug study so I have some experience in what takes place in scientific studies.0 -
I don't know about attack, but I'd rather strongly disagree with them just using the term designed because I wasn't designed. Once they properly wanted to discuss adapted, I'd say humans are rather unique in having an artificial digestive system that can start the process miles away from them, which renders comparisons between carnivores, omnivores, herbivores, and frugivores a bit of an odd comparison to try to make.
Heck, I would agree with you on that. God instituted meat sacrifices with the Israelites, so that can't be right. LOL! In actuality, the vegan comment: that is what I hear from my vegan friends, so it really is some people's stance.0 -
Anything 'diet ' is full of sugar replacements which aren't good for us if we can believe all we read ... I can't see what the pull is of any fizzy drink tbh - give me ice cold water any day
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redraidergirl2009 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »No we just want to read your scientific peer reviewed studies because we are science people . I have never seen any peer reviewed studies saying our body struggles to assimilate processed foods. Linking studies helps educate people. Making claims without backing them up does not.
What science do you work in?
I'll play. I work in statistics. I consult on projects whose topics are in the fields of Education, Nursing, Hospitality, Industrial/Organizational Psychology, and Criminology, among others. I am currently working on a project funded by an NSF grant; that research will be presented at the annual conference in Washington DC this summer.
How about you? What science do you work in?0 -
RunRutheeRun wrote: »Anything 'diet ' is full of sugar replacements which aren't good for us if we can believe all we read ... I can't see what the pull is of any fizzy drink tbh - give me ice cold water any day
Believe what exactly?
"Thus, one would ask, “Why is there a need for a comprehensive review of aspartame safety data at this point in
time?” Questions about its safety continue to be raised by a few individuals. Safety issues long ago resolved to the
satisfaction of regulatory agencies and expert committees are today resurrected by some as if new. Early on these
issues were based on scientific hypothesis, misinterpretation of data, and/or anecdotal reports of adverse health
effects. Recently spurious and imaginative, hypothetical questions that are lacking even anecdotal support or a
logical scientific rationale have compounded these issues. Given the extensive safety database and many years
of safe human exposure, the continuing debate about aspartame is most unusual."
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Not a great resource for good information. Googlefu seems to get people to think that every thing is legit on the internet.KSween2016 wrote: »http://m.huffpost.com/us/news/diet-soda-health-risks
Very bad for your health and cancer causing! Here is an article from Huffpost with more information!
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We'll take our chances. Post some PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC STUDIES to support your stance and let's review it. If not, then you're just posting anecdotal opinions, which isn't really recognized by the science community as a whole.cdstewart51115 wrote: »Reading scientific studies in a member's only database is where I get it from. However, if you do some simple google searches to reputable organizations that test these theories, you might learn quite a lot about the garbage we are being told is 'ok' or 'good' for us. However, that being said, many people will defend their beliefs to the death so I just throw out the logical and scientific information so other's can make their own educated decisions. If I give out links, it lessens the educational search for themselves. If people really don't care about fact and science, then to each his own. I really don't think challenging and debunking another person's opinions really helps anyone.
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No that would be debate. Present your side with evidence to support it and opposition will do the same..............cordially.redraidergirl2009 wrote: »internet fight -shots fired-
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Chemically laden? You mean like an apple or banana (which has WAY MORE chemicals molecularly bonded than aspartame). Realize that if you're going to make a statement that isn't true on a public forum, be prepared for opposition to refute it. It's important in THIS community that correct information is passed on and not information that lacks evidence to support it.cdstewart51115 wrote: »SMH, i was not specifically pinpointing artificial sweeteners. and for clarification, I do not google search. I wonder why there are always people preferring to tear each other down because we think differently. If it is not made from nature without being processed to death, our bodies struggle to assimilate it. Did I say, don't drink it? Nope, I said it was a chemical laden and not good for us. Lord have mercy, y'all need to step back just a bit. Is this really how this forum works??
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An "alternative medicine" site isn't a verifiable resource for evidence. It's like using the bible to prove evolution.cdstewart51115 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Are your "reputable sources" mercola?
Since I have not heard of that, I would have to say no LOL! HSI is the main source, but there are others.
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ClosetBayesian wrote: »cdstewart51115 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Are your "reputable sources" mercola?
Since I have not heard of that, I would have to say no LOL! HSI is the main source, but there are others.
As in http://hsionline.com/ ? Like, on the 5th Day, God said, "and lo, those artificial sweetners will rend thy flesh and render you to a lower plane. Do no drink of them for they are of the left-hand"?
I must have the abridged version...
I don't know. I saw the page when looking for HSI, and it opens with claims that 3 words in the Bible tell how to cure cancer. That seemed like a whole lot of nope to me.0 -
cdstewart51115 wrote: »SMH, i was not specifically pinpointing artificial sweeteners. and for clarification, I do not google search. I wonder why there are always people preferring to tear each other down because we think differently. If it is not made from nature without being processed to death, our bodies struggle to assimilate it. Did I say, don't drink it? Nope, I said it was a chemical laden and not good for us. Lord have mercy, y'all need to step back just a bit. Is this really how this forum works??
Pretty much the way this forum works is that if you drag out trash and present it as fact, you're going to get called on it. Opinions are a different matter, but you're not presenting your discussion points as opinions, you're stating them as scientific fact. I've seen you do it in two threads so far and you've been burned to the ground in both of them. That's what happens.
Citing your sources as some secret squirrel members-only database that nobody else could possibly have access to doesn't go any further in establishing credibility either. I could just as easily say I have scientific proof that Elvis and Bigfoot are eating peanut butter and banana sandwiches together in Atlantis, but the studies are in this super-secret database that I can't share with anybody and citing them would be a copyright violation, so you'll just have to take my word for it..0 -
ClosetBayesian wrote: »cdstewart51115 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Are your "reputable sources" mercola?
Since I have not heard of that, I would have to say no LOL! HSI is the main source, but there are others.
As in http://hsionline.com/ ? Like, on the 5th Day, God said, "and lo, those artificial sweetners will rend thy flesh and render you to a lower plane. Do no drink of them for they are of the left-hand"?
I must have the abridged version...
I don't know. I saw the page when looking for HSI, and it opens with claims that 3 words in the Bible tell how to cure cancer. That seemed like a whole lot of nope to me.
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Chemically laden? You mean like an apple or banana (which has WAY MORE chemicals molecularly bonded than aspartame). Realize that if you're going to make a statement that isn't true on a public forum, be prepared for opposition to refute it. It's important in THIS community that correct information is passed on and not information that lacks evidence to support it.cdstewart51115 wrote: »SMH, i was not specifically pinpointing artificial sweeteners. and for clarification, I do not google search. I wonder why there are always people preferring to tear each other down because we think differently. If it is not made from nature without being processed to death, our bodies struggle to assimilate it. Did I say, don't drink it? Nope, I said it was a chemical laden and not good for us. Lord have mercy, y'all need to step back just a bit. Is this really how this forum works??
O noes, the chemi-kills!!!:
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Also don't forget, if you can't pronounce the ingredients, you shouldn't eat it. It's evil.
Chemically laden? You mean like an apple or banana (which has WAY MORE chemicals molecularly bonded than aspartame). Realize that if you're going to make a statement that isn't true on a public forum, be prepared for opposition to refute it. It's important in THIS community that correct information is passed on and not information that lacks evidence to support it.cdstewart51115 wrote: »SMH, i was not specifically pinpointing artificial sweeteners. and for clarification, I do not google search. I wonder why there are always people preferring to tear each other down because we think differently. If it is not made from nature without being processed to death, our bodies struggle to assimilate it. Did I say, don't drink it? Nope, I said it was a chemical laden and not good for us. Lord have mercy, y'all need to step back just a bit. Is this really how this forum works??
O noes, the chemi-kills!!!:
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singingflutelady wrote: »hsionline.com ? Definitely looks legit lolcdstewart51115 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Are your "reputable sources" mercola?
Since I have not heard of that, I would have to say no LOL! HSI is the main source, but there are others.
As in http://hsionline.com/ ? Like, on the 5th Day, God said, "and lo, those artificial sweetners will rend thy flesh and render you to a lower plane. Do no drink of them for they are of the left-hand"?
My curiosity got the better of me and I had to look at it. Saw everything I needed to see on the entry page - I'd consider the HuffPo article quoted upthread as more reliable than anything on that whacko site. Heck, I'd consider Dr. Oz, Mercola or Weekly World News more reliable, and that's saying something. That site looks like it takes junk science to new, never before seen levels. Absolutely laughable.0 -
Lol, y'all are something else. I will stick to my knowledge of science and beliefs; and you can continue to believe government regulated agencies (and their cronies' studies) that you believe have your health's best interest in mind (laughable) while you feed addictions that do nothing for health. If you wanted true health, you would find it. And the HSI site you quote isn't were I get the info, that is one place I get the medical references from. I don't support all their theories. And in hindsight, I should have mentioned the institute of psychological studies and the integrated nutrition schools as well. Oh and Dr Susan of brightline eating. And I should care of you burn me to the ground on a forum? Nah, it just proves people really don't want true health; which is why the food and pharmaceutical industries are so rich. Peace out.0
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Meant to say diet food...0
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cdstewart51115 wrote: »Lol, y'all are something else. I will stick to my knowledge of science and beliefs; and you can continue to believe government regulated agencies (and their cronies' studies) that you believe have your health's best interest in mind (laughable) while you feed addictions that do nothing for health. If you wanted true health, you would find it. And the HSI site you quote isn't were I get the info, that is one place I get the medical references from. I don't support all their theories. And in hindsight, I should have mentioned the institute of psychological studies and the integrated nutrition schools as well. Oh and Dr Susan of brightline eating. And I should care of you burn me to the ground on a forum? Nah, it just proves people really don't want true health; which is why the food and pharmaceutical industries are so rich. Peace out.
Lol - typical and predictable.0 -
cdstewart51115 wrote: »Lol, y'all are something else. I will stick to my knowledge of science and beliefs; and you can continue to believe government regulated agencies (and their cronies' studies) that you believe have your health's best interest in mind (laughable) while you feed addictions that do nothing for health. If you wanted true health, you would find it. And the HSI site you quote isn't were I get the info, that is one place I get the medical references from. I don't support all their theories. And in hindsight, I should have mentioned the institute of psychological studies and the integrated nutrition schools as well. Oh and Dr Susan of brightline eating. And I should care of you burn me to the ground on a forum? Nah, it just proves people really don't want true health; which is why the food and pharmaceutical industries are so rich. Peace out.
I work at a University that boasts, among other programs, a med school. Post the details of the article - author's name, journal, year of publication; all that is perfectly legal to post without infringing copyright. If for some reason that journal is not one of the thousands the University pays for, one of the research librarians can get the for me through inter-library loans.
I'm not burning you to the ground, just asking you to back up your claims.0 -
Diet soda really satisfies my cravings for something sweet and something carbonated. I don't love the aftertaste though and I find that lingers for a while. I haven't seen any stalls in my weight loss from drinking diet. I've read a lot of the woo about it and it's mostly about how artificial sugars can cause weight gain or stall it. Maybe eventually they'll find some concrete evidence for one way or another but for now I'm going to enjoy diet soda.missyfitz1 wrote: »The article’s main points:
• Despite its name, it may not really be that diet friendly.
But this is based 100 percent on correlation, and as the article itself says: “it's possible the results of these studies are intrinsically tied to the fact that overweight people may be more likely to select diet sodas in the first place in order to lose weight.” Diet soda doesn’t cause weight gain – overweight people are just more likely to choose diet soda.
I agree with this right here. What I've noticed among friends and other people I interact with is they justifiy making a bad food choice because they got a diet soda. Like somehow the diet soda is going to offset the calorie overload they're about to introduce to their bodies.0 -
Weight loss wise diet is def better since it has no calories, overall a lot of soda isn't good for you. I mean, a lot of ANYTHING isn't good for you. But a soda with lunch is fine. Just don't drink half a dozen every day, and make sure you brush and floss everyday. I mean, water is the best yes, but we like flavored drinks!
Sugar wise, I am drinking a Gatorade right now (I usually don't but it was given to me and I'll be darned if it's wasted) and there is 21grams of sugar in it!0 -
Pretty much says it all right there. Thanks for trying to play though.cdstewart51115 wrote: »I will stick to my knowledge of science and beliefs
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Why is it every soda/diet soda thread turns into a slap fight?
Just live and let live. If you like diet soda and you have no issues, go for it. If you think you do better without it or just choose to drink something else, that's fine too. Why do people who think one way have to try and justify their position and talk others into their way of thinking? For every internet article that says "Diet Coke is Fine" there's another that says "Diet Coke Kills". Don't believe what you read, because it seems all the "evidence" (on either side) is anecdotal at best.
I've done both sides: been an avid Diet Coke guy and a soda abstainer. My choice either way. I am currently off the soda bandwagon, but I have 2 12-packs in the garage ready to go if I decide to jump back on!
Just do what you feel is best for you, OP.0
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