Ketosis Diet
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michelle172415 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »I'm currently doing it. I've maintained ketosis for 10 days now with my net carbs having gone as high as 50g. I love it. I also do IF during the week of 18:6 and then for some variety, do a 24hr fast from dinner Friday until dinner Saturday and then I have breakfast at breakfast time on Sunday, skip lunch, then dinner, then back to my 18:6 fast. It's working well for me so far and between LCHF and now switching to Ketosis I've lost 15lbs total in 6 weeks, a total that I am very happy with.
I try to eat as many whole foods as possible and don't rely on packaged foods. It's also a pretty easy WOE to follow if you eat out a lot. Feel free to take a peek at my diary and if you are on Instagram, my page is Podtastic_Eats and I put up a lot of pictures of my food there.
I've done well in the past with this WOE. Last year I was doing really well but fell off the wagon in August. By November I was having emergency surgery to have my gallbladder removed and 2 months later I was diagnoses with Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease. Seeing as how when I had blood work done last May when I was on plan and all my levels are perfect, I directly attribute my gallbladder and liver issues to the good ole SAD. Now that I am back to eating LCHF my blood work is already starting to improve, along with a myriad of other good things happening to my body.
Truth be told, you probably won't get a lot of keto-love on these boards, but definitely check out the group linked above, a lot of very supportive people there.
Having a WoE that results in NAF liver disease and gallbladder removal is not "doing really well".
Hard pass.
Actually, you seem to have misread, the SAD directly contributed to my gallbladder removal and NAFLD. My blood work and health were awesome when I followed a LCHF diet last year, it wasn't until I stopped and starting eating the SAD again that my health began to fail. Post Sx, my GI doctor is has recommended that I return to a LCHF diet in the hopes of restoring my health to where it was a year ago.
So you chose a diet you couldn't stick to and found that successful? Success isn't just losing weight, it's the ability to have long term adhesion and maintenance.
NAF liver disease is not a short term disease - it's cause is generally years in the making, not a sudden switch in diet. It's likely that all your WoE contributed to it - not a recent change.
There are specific genetic anomalies that may increase risk - did your doctor carry out a genetic panel for those?
It would seem that the jury is still out if LCHF is successful for you, I do wish you success. The issues you went through are awful, I hope this WoE works for you.0 -
Two years ago I lost 61 lbs in six months with ketosis, and I've kept it off. The "menu" gets really boring, but I can't complain about the results.0
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michelle172415 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »My friend is doing keto, his bathroom smells fierce at all times. No thank you.
What is Leto? I'm assuming that is a typo. And if your friend is having severe GI issues, I would recommend that he see a doctor as that is not a common side effect of Keto.
Perhaps, but if he's doing Keto, then I doubt he would listen to what his doctor had to say...
What is that even supposed to mean? Are you automatically making an assumption that a very low carb diet would not be supported by a medical professional? Because my doctor is actually who recommended that I try this WOE.
All I can say is that I'd try to find a new doctor... But that's just me.
Well thank you so much for your completely useless contribution to this thread.
LOL
My doctor advised keto too. He's an md who decided to specialize in orthomolecular medicine (optimal health through nutrition and supplements).
Orthomolecular medicine is a field recognised for being highly steeped in quackery. While some of the concepts might make sense a lot of the practice is of dubious quality and disproven time and time again.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »I'm currently doing it. I've maintained ketosis for 10 days now with my net carbs having gone as high as 50g. I love it. I also do IF during the week of 18:6 and then for some variety, do a 24hr fast from dinner Friday until dinner Saturday and then I have breakfast at breakfast time on Sunday, skip lunch, then dinner, then back to my 18:6 fast. It's working well for me so far and between LCHF and now switching to Ketosis I've lost 15lbs total in 6 weeks, a total that I am very happy with.
I try to eat as many whole foods as possible and don't rely on packaged foods. It's also a pretty easy WOE to follow if you eat out a lot. Feel free to take a peek at my diary and if you are on Instagram, my page is Podtastic_Eats and I put up a lot of pictures of my food there.
I've done well in the past with this WOE. Last year I was doing really well but fell off the wagon in August. By November I was having emergency surgery to have my gallbladder removed and 2 months later I was diagnoses with Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease. Seeing as how when I had blood work done last May when I was on plan and all my levels are perfect, I directly attribute my gallbladder and liver issues to the good ole SAD. Now that I am back to eating LCHF my blood work is already starting to improve, along with a myriad of other good things happening to my body.
Truth be told, you probably won't get a lot of keto-love on these boards, but definitely check out the group linked above, a lot of very supportive people there.
Having a WoE that results in NAF liver disease and gallbladder removal is not "doing really well".
Hard pass.
Actually, you seem to have misread, the SAD directly contributed to my gallbladder removal and NAFLD. My blood work and health were awesome when I followed a LCHF diet last year, it wasn't until I stopped and starting eating the SAD again that my health began to fail. Post Sx, my GI doctor is has recommended that I return to a LCHF diet in the hopes of restoring my health to where it was a year ago.
So you chose a diet you couldn't stick to and found that successful? Success isn't just losing weight, it's the ability to have long term adhesion and maintenance.
NAF liver disease is not a short term disease - it's cause is generally years in the making, not a sudden switch in diet. It's likely that all your WoE contributed to it - not a recent change.
There are specific genetic anomalies that may increase risk - did your doctor carry out a genetic panel for those?
It would seem that the jury is still out if LCHF is successful for you, I do wish you success. The issues you went through are awful, I hope this WoE works for you.
I hate having to defend myself, but when I fell of the wagon so to speak, I was going through a very difficult time in my life, I was buying a house, my marriage was not handling that stress well, I was changing jobs, I was adjusting my medications because I had become suicidal, and all that while dealing with weekly therapy for my autistic son. I fell back in to my old ways. As I stated, last May when I was following a LCHF diet my liver enzymes were perfect. All of my blood levels were in perfect range. But when I fell off the wagon, I fell hard and gained over 50lbs in less than 4mths. My health suffered. My GI doctor told me that rapid weight gain can bring on NAFLD when I didn't have it before. I carry weight around my middle, I have a lot of visceral fat, it is not uncommon for NAFLD to develop in this kind of environment. Liver problems often times go hand in hand with gallbladder problems so it is not surprising that I developed gallbladder issues as well when I previously had none. I'm not making this all up, this is what was told to me by a well respected GI specialist. This is the same doctor who recommended that I go back on a LCHF diet. And no, I did not have any genetic testing done, but if my liver enzymes are not improved by the time I go for my next appointment, I will ask about it.
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I'm back on the "Keto" wagon! I fell off for about 2weeks. 1st started in Dec 2015 and lost 38lbs gained 7 back unfortunately. I loved the I:F it seems to be the only thing that worked for my busy lifestyle. Anyway feel free to add me. Oh, I didn't see the name of the group you mentioned Michelle.0
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I'm not keto, but my way of eating (slow carb) typically leads to me being lower carb than the average American who's not watching carbs.
My doc LOVES how I eat, and especially loves my blood work. And he has, for all these years.0 -
MsGoalDigga wrote: »I'm back on the "Keto" wagon! I fell off for about 2weeks. 1st started in Dec 2015 and lost 38lbs gained 7 back unfortunately. I loved the I:F it seems to be the only thing that worked for my busy lifestyle. Anyway feel free to add me. Oh, I didn't see the name of the group you mentioned Michelle.
This is an awesome group, very supportive and not at all judgmental.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
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A little over four weeks into a keto diet ( 60< carbs ) and I've definitely noticed many benefits. I sleep better and in a deeper sleep, morning aches are gone, headaches are gone, and constant energy throughout the day vs. carb crashes.
The initial weight loss experienced when getting onto a keto diet is almost come rely water weight. I dropped 12lbs in the first three days, but have now leveled off. Which is good, I didn't want to lose that much as I lift and want to build muscle mass.
I'm following 75% fat, 25% protein, and 5% carb. Maintaining the diet takes extreme discipline. And keeping your body in ketosis is not easy as a good uptick in carbs will knock you out of it.
The key is maintaining the diet to a T.
I'm not sure where this "poison" talk comes from as I'm thinking some are getting it mixed up with ketoacidosis.
Obviously a keto diet is not for everyone. It doesn't work for everyone and some can experience unpleasant side effects. You also need to intake tons of water to help your kidneys. However, a keto diet is not poisonous.
For anyone interested in learning more, I'd suggest looking into Mark Sisson. He's also written a book called "The Primal Blueprint".
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I'm doing it (1 year).
I've no more fat to lose, but I'm not considering switching back to high carb protocol... I've experienced too much advantages.
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Hi! I am 3 weeks into keto and as of this morning (my weigh-in day) I am down 13lbs.0
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ashrenjernigan wrote: »Also, in case this is helpful. You can see here what type of weight that was lost:
According to these numbers, you lost 1.5lbs of muscle in 3 weeks....?0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »Also, in case this is helpful. You can see here what type of weight that was lost:
According to these numbers, you lost 1.5lbs of muscle in 3 weeks....?
That sounds accurate. I get to start working out with weights and stuff this week. Working out was not recommended the first few weeks (after the 1st week, light workouts like walking was fine). It'll be interesting to see what happens with the numbers once I incorporate a workout.0 -
ashrenjernigan wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »Also, in case this is helpful. You can see here what type of weight that was lost:
According to these numbers, you lost 1.5lbs of muscle in 3 weeks....?
That sounds accurate. I get to start working out with weights and stuff this week. Working out was not recommended the first few weeks (after the 1st week, light workouts like walking was fine). It'll be interesting to see what happens with the numbers once I incorporate a workout.
Dont' put much faith in those numbers. There are numerous factors that will affect bioimpedance machines and their ratings. You are not going to lose that much muscle in such a short period of time, even without exercise.
In fact, I would put little faith in all bioimpedance machines. If it was a DEXA or hydrostatic, it would be a different story.0 -
ashrenjernigan wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »Also, in case this is helpful. You can see here what type of weight that was lost:
According to these numbers, you lost 1.5lbs of muscle in 3 weeks....?
That sounds accurate. I get to start working out with weights and stuff this week. Working out was not recommended the first few weeks (after the 1st week, light workouts like walking was fine). It'll be interesting to see what happens with the numbers once I incorporate a workout.
Dont' put much faith in those numbers. There are numerous factors that will affect bioimpedance machines and their ratings. You are not going to lose that much muscle in such a short period of time, even without exercise.
In fact, I would put little faith in all bioimpedance machines. If it was a DEXA or hydrostatic, it would be a different story.
Thank you. If I am honest at this size all I really care about is seeing the number on the scale go down. My scale at home is 3lbs off of the scale at the clinic so I have a general idea of where I am regardless of what type of weight it is that's being lost. Once I hit my first goal, the rest of the numbers will matter.0 -
ashrenjernigan wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »Also, in case this is helpful. You can see here what type of weight that was lost:
According to these numbers, you lost 1.5lbs of muscle in 3 weeks....?
That sounds accurate. I get to start working out with weights and stuff this week. Working out was not recommended the first few weeks (after the 1st week, light workouts like walking was fine). It'll be interesting to see what happens with the numbers once I incorporate a workout.
Dont' put much faith in those numbers. There are numerous factors that will affect bioimpedance machines and their ratings. You are not going to lose that much muscle in such a short period of time, even without exercise.
In fact, I would put little faith in all bioimpedance machines. If it was a DEXA or hydrostatic, it would be a different story.
agreed with the bioimpedance, however, she is losing at a rate of over 4lbs per week. That's far from ideal and a lot of muscle loss is inevitable. Honestly, I would try to slow it down to ~2lbs per week.0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »Also, in case this is helpful. You can see here what type of weight that was lost:
According to these numbers, you lost 1.5lbs of muscle in 3 weeks....?
That sounds accurate. I get to start working out with weights and stuff this week. Working out was not recommended the first few weeks (after the 1st week, light workouts like walking was fine). It'll be interesting to see what happens with the numbers once I incorporate a workout.
Dont' put much faith in those numbers. There are numerous factors that will affect bioimpedance machines and their ratings. You are not going to lose that much muscle in such a short period of time, even without exercise.
In fact, I would put little faith in all bioimpedance machines. If it was a DEXA or hydrostatic, it would be a different story.
agreed with the bioimpedance, however, she is losing at a rate of over 4lbs per week. That's far from ideal and a lot of muscle loss is inevitable. Honestly, I would try to slow it down to ~2lbs per week.
It's extremely common to lose large amounts of weight when transition from a normal diet to keto due to glycogen depletion, adjustments in sodium levels, reductions to foods levels in your GI system, etc... Since the poster is almost done her 4th week, things should level out and I wouldn't expect her to see these huge swings, especially if she has finally become Keto-adapted. And if she starts exercising, I would suspect she will see a stall for a week or two.
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galgenstrick wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »Also, in case this is helpful. You can see here what type of weight that was lost:
According to these numbers, you lost 1.5lbs of muscle in 3 weeks....?
That sounds accurate. I get to start working out with weights and stuff this week. Working out was not recommended the first few weeks (after the 1st week, light workouts like walking was fine). It'll be interesting to see what happens with the numbers once I incorporate a workout.
Dont' put much faith in those numbers. There are numerous factors that will affect bioimpedance machines and their ratings. You are not going to lose that much muscle in such a short period of time, even without exercise.
In fact, I would put little faith in all bioimpedance machines. If it was a DEXA or hydrostatic, it would be a different story.
agreed with the bioimpedance, however, she is losing at a rate of over 4lbs per week. That's far from ideal and a lot of muscle loss is inevitable. Honestly, I would try to slow it down to ~2lbs per week.
It's extremely common to lose large amounts of weight when transition from a normal diet to keto due to glycogen depletion, adjustments in sodium levels, reductions to foods levels in your GI system, etc... Since the poster is almost done her 4th week, things should level out and I wouldn't expect her to see these huge swings, especially if she has finally become Keto-adapted. And if she starts exercising, I would suspect she will see a stall for a week or two.
That is my expectation as well.0 -
ashrenjernigan wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »Also, in case this is helpful. You can see here what type of weight that was lost:
According to these numbers, you lost 1.5lbs of muscle in 3 weeks....?
That sounds accurate. I get to start working out with weights and stuff this week. Working out was not recommended the first few weeks (after the 1st week, light workouts like walking was fine). It'll be interesting to see what happens with the numbers once I incorporate a workout.
Dont' put much faith in those numbers. There are numerous factors that will affect bioimpedance machines and their ratings. You are not going to lose that much muscle in such a short period of time, even without exercise.
In fact, I would put little faith in all bioimpedance machines. If it was a DEXA or hydrostatic, it would be a different story.
Thank you. If I am honest at this size all I really care about is seeing the number on the scale go down. My scale at home is 3lbs off of the scale at the clinic so I have a general idea of where I am regardless of what type of weight it is that's being lost. Once I hit my first goal, the rest of the numbers will matter.
We all lose lean body mass during weight loss.. it's very common, but for many, maintaining as much as possible is going to benefit you in the long run, even if it means slightly lower weight loss. Since muscle directly affects things like metabolic rate and leanness, the more you have, the more calories you will burn and the tighter your body will be when you get into the normal range. And I can't tell you how many members have stomach issues because they were a bit aggressive with their plans. And most people dont' realize how much easier it is to sustain muscle than gain new muscle.0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »Also, in case this is helpful. You can see here what type of weight that was lost:
According to these numbers, you lost 1.5lbs of muscle in 3 weeks....?
That sounds accurate. I get to start working out with weights and stuff this week. Working out was not recommended the first few weeks (after the 1st week, light workouts like walking was fine). It'll be interesting to see what happens with the numbers once I incorporate a workout.
Dont' put much faith in those numbers. There are numerous factors that will affect bioimpedance machines and their ratings. You are not going to lose that much muscle in such a short period of time, even without exercise.
In fact, I would put little faith in all bioimpedance machines. If it was a DEXA or hydrostatic, it would be a different story.
agreed with the bioimpedance, however, she is losing at a rate of over 4lbs per week. That's far from ideal and a lot of muscle loss is inevitable. Honestly, I would try to slow it down to ~2lbs per week.
It's extremely common to lose large amounts of weight when transition from a normal diet to keto due to glycogen depletion, adjustments in sodium levels, reductions to foods levels in your GI system, etc... Since the poster is almost done her 4th week, things should level out and I wouldn't expect her to see these huge swings, especially if she has finally become Keto-adapted. And if she starts exercising, I would suspect she will see a stall for a week or two.
~10lbs of water/glycogen weight seems like a lot, but I guess it's possible, I never did keto or VLC so I wouldn't know. But you're right, you would lose almost all your glycogen weight since you wouldn't be replenishing it with carbs. And if you're not exercising, it would be depleted over a few weeks instead of a few days as if you were exercising intensely.ashrenjernigan wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »ashrenjernigan wrote: »Also, in case this is helpful. You can see here what type of weight that was lost:
According to these numbers, you lost 1.5lbs of muscle in 3 weeks....?
That sounds accurate. I get to start working out with weights and stuff this week. Working out was not recommended the first few weeks (after the 1st week, light workouts like walking was fine). It'll be interesting to see what happens with the numbers once I incorporate a workout.
Dont' put much faith in those numbers. There are numerous factors that will affect bioimpedance machines and their ratings. You are not going to lose that much muscle in such a short period of time, even without exercise.
In fact, I would put little faith in all bioimpedance machines. If it was a DEXA or hydrostatic, it would be a different story.
Thank you. If I am honest at this size all I really care about is seeing the number on the scale go down. My scale at home is 3lbs off of the scale at the clinic so I have a general idea of where I am regardless of what type of weight it is that's being lost. Once I hit my first goal, the rest of the numbers will matter.
We all lose lean body mass during weight loss.. it's very common, but for many, maintaining as much as possible is going to benefit you in the long run, even if it means slightly lower weight loss. Since muscle directly affects things like metabolic rate and leanness, the more you have, the more calories you will burn and the tighter your body will be when you get into the normal range. And I can't tell you how many members have stomach issues because they were a bit aggressive with their plans. And most people dont' realize how much easier it is to sustain muscle than gain new muscle.
Agreed.0
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