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I think we do not choose our food based on vegetables or animals rights. We choose to eat less meat just because it is more healthy to stay away from meat and we choose to eat more vegetables because it is more healthy. These are scientifically proven facts.
No "we" don't and no they aren't.4 -
I think we do not choose our food based on vegetables or animals rights. We choose to eat less meat just because it is more healthy to stay away from meat and we choose to eat more vegetables because it is more healthy. These are scientifically proven facts.
No "we" don't and no they aren't.
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queenliz99 wrote: »I think we do not choose our food based on vegetables or animals rights. We choose to eat less meat just because it is more healthy to stay away from meat and we choose to eat more vegetables because it is more healthy. These are scientifically proven facts.
Scientically proven facts you say? Links to these studies?
Well, I can google it but I have heard it from friends who studied about it. Do you know links to studies which oppose this?0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »I think we do not choose our food based on vegetables or animals rights. We choose to eat less meat just because it is more healthy to stay away from meat and we choose to eat more vegetables because it is more healthy. These are scientifically proven facts.
Scientically proven facts you say? Links to these studies?
Well, I can google it but I have heard it from friends who studied about it. Do you know links to studies which oppose this?
The onus is on you!1 -
that feeling when you are trying to compare plants to sentient creatures who are tortured, kept in horrible conditions their entire life, and then slaughtered.
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rainbowbow wrote: »that feeling when you are trying to compare plants to sentient creatures who are tortured, kept in horrible conditions their entire life, and then slaughtered.
I like your idea. That's what the discussion is for. We start a discussion to know about interesting ideas and to learn more.0 -
I think we do not choose our food based on vegetables or animals rights. We choose to eat less meat just because it is more healthy to stay away from meat and we choose to eat more vegetables because it is more healthy. These are scientifically proven facts.
Who are "we"? I thought the thread was about vegetable rights.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »that feeling when you are trying to compare plants to sentient creatures who are tortured, kept in horrible conditions their entire life, and then slaughtered.
Then, there is a question, do you eat animals who are neither tortured nor kept in horrible conditions their entire life?0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »that feeling when you are trying to compare plants to sentient creatures who are tortured, kept in horrible conditions their entire life, and then slaughtered.
Then, there is a question, do you eat animals who are neither tortured nor kept in horrible conditions their entire life?
i don't eat meat at all. But if i did, it would only be an animal which i killed with my own hands, in the wild, because i needed it's body to survive. This is talking life or death situation here. And i don't think you can "humanely" take another creatures life. If i were to do it for any reason it would have to be because it came down to me vs. them.
As it stands, this isn't the case. We aren't using all of these animals, we aren't treating them with respect or allowing them atleast to live a happy life, we are literally breeding them to live in the worst conditions and using them as a commodity. This is what i think is wrong. Not to mention the amount of waste created in the meat industry.
Do i hate people who eat meat? No. But i personally will never support an industry which i think is morally wrong. I recognize that these are sentient creatures and that supporting that industry would mean supporting the cruelty and disgusting practices currently related to big farming. Don't even get me started on the environmental effects or potential negative health effects.
The fact of the matter is as it stands there is 0 reason for me to even eat meat considering it is completely unnecessary for me to live a happy, healthy life. It is just too damn easy to NOT eat meat and NOT to support an industry which is *kitten* up majorly with the lives of other living creatures.
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rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »that feeling when you are trying to compare plants to sentient creatures who are tortured, kept in horrible conditions their entire life, and then slaughtered.
Then, there is a question, do you eat animals who are neither tortured nor kept in horrible conditions their entire life?
i don't eat meat at all. But if i did, it would only be an animal which i killed with my own hands, in the wild, because i needed it's body to survive. This is talking life or death situation here. And i don't think you can "humanely" take another creatures life. If i were to do it for any reason it would have to be because it came down to me vs. them.
As it stands, this isn't the case. We aren't using all of these animals, we aren't treating them with respect or allowing them atleast to live a happy life, we are literally breeding them to live in the worst conditions and using them as a commodity. This is what i think is wrong. Not to mention the amount of waste created in the meat industry.
Do i hate people who eat meat? No. But i personally will never support an industry which i think is morally wrong. I recognize that these are sentient creatures and that supporting that industry would mean supporting the cruelty and disgusting practices currently related to big farming. Don't even get me started on the environmental effects or potential negative health effects.
The fact of the matter is as it stands there is 0 reason for me to even eat meat considering it is completely unnecessary for me to live a happy, healthy life. It is just too damn easy to NOT eat meat and NOT to support an industry which is *kitten* up majorly with the lives of other living creatures.
Very good. I give you another like. I think we should also talk more about the negative health effects. For example the meat industry puts antibiotics and hormones in chicken.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »that feeling when you are trying to compare plants to sentient creatures who are tortured, kept in horrible conditions their entire life, and then slaughtered.
Then, there is a question, do you eat animals who are neither tortured nor kept in horrible conditions their entire life?
i don't eat meat at all. But if i did, it would only be an animal which i killed with my own hands, in the wild, because i needed it's body to survive. This is talking life or death situation here. And i don't think you can "humanely" take another creatures life. If i were to do it for any reason it would have to be because it came down to me vs. them.
As it stands, this isn't the case. We aren't using all of these animals, we aren't treating them with respect or allowing them atleast to live a happy life, we are literally breeding them to live in the worst conditions and using them as a commodity. This is what i think is wrong. Not to mention the amount of waste created in the meat industry.
Do i hate people who eat meat? No. But i personally will never support an industry which i think is morally wrong. I recognize that these are sentient creatures and that supporting that industry would mean supporting the cruelty and disgusting practices currently related to big farming. Don't even get me started on the environmental effects or potential negative health effects.
The fact of the matter is as it stands there is 0 reason for me to even eat meat considering it is completely unnecessary for me to live a happy, healthy life. It is just too damn easy to NOT eat meat and NOT to support an industry which is *kitten* up majorly with the lives of other living creatures.
Very good. I give you another like. I think we should also talk more about the negative health effects. For example the meat industry puts antibiotics and hormones in chicken.
from the evidence i've seen this is the least of the issues for human health. they must give these animals antibiotics or they'd be killing people as the living conditions and diets provided to these animals causes an incredibly high possibility of bacterial and viral infection.
Mostly, people are over-consuming meat products and eating a diet high in saturated and trans fats. Some are even consuming so much meat they are giving themselves gout.
All in all from the diets and lifestyles i've seen the "healthiest" diets in the world are not vegetarian or vegan diets, but infact diets that are mostly plant based with meat and fish included in smaller portions and only about half of the week. Essentially, i dont think eating meat is unhealthy, but i do think most people on the S.A.D. are over-consuming meats.6 -
I think we do not choose our food based on vegetables or animals rights. We choose to eat less meat just because it is more healthy to stay away from meat and we choose to eat more vegetables because it is more healthy. These are scientifically proven facts.
No "we" don't and no they aren't.
Please explain more.
You first.
I'm not the one who started this thread and refuses to explain the context when questioned.3 -
rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »that feeling when you are trying to compare plants to sentient creatures who are tortured, kept in horrible conditions their entire life, and then slaughtered.
Then, there is a question, do you eat animals who are neither tortured nor kept in horrible conditions their entire life?
i don't eat meat at all. But if i did, it would only be an animal which i killed with my own hands, in the wild, because i needed it's body to survive. This is talking life or death situation here. And i don't think you can "humanely" take another creatures life. If i were to do it for any reason it would have to be because it came down to me vs. them.
As it stands, this isn't the case. We aren't using all of these animals, we aren't treating them with respect or allowing them atleast to live a happy life, we are literally breeding them to live in the worst conditions and using them as a commodity. This is what i think is wrong. Not to mention the amount of waste created in the meat industry.
Do i hate people who eat meat? No. But i personally will never support an industry which i think is morally wrong. I recognize that these are sentient creatures and that supporting that industry would mean supporting the cruelty and disgusting practices currently related to big farming. Don't even get me started on the environmental effects or potential negative health effects.
The fact of the matter is as it stands there is 0 reason for me to even eat meat considering it is completely unnecessary for me to live a happy, healthy life. It is just too damn easy to NOT eat meat and NOT to support an industry which is *kitten* up majorly with the lives of other living creatures.
Very good. I give you another like. I think we should also talk more about the negative health effects. For example the meat industry puts antibiotics and hormones in chicken.
from the evidence i've seen this is the least of the issues for human health. they must give these animals antibiotics or they'd be killing people as the living conditions and diets provided to these animals causes an incredibly high possibility of bacterial and viral infection.
Mostly, people are over-consuming meat products and eating a diet high in saturated and trans fats. Some are even consuming so much meat they are giving themselves gout.
All in all from the diets and lifestyles i've seen the "healthiest" diets in the world are not vegetarian or vegan diets, but infact diets that are mostly plant based with meat and fish included in smaller portions and only about half of the week. Essentially, i dont think eating meat is unhealthy, but i do think most people on the S.A.D. are over-consuming meats.
Awesome! I totally agree with you about the healthiest diets in the world.0 -
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, then is it ethical to eat it?4
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You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust."
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It was daylight when you woke up in your ditch. You looked up at your sky then.
That made blue be your color. You had your knife there with you too.
When you stood up there was goo all over your clothes. Your hands were sticky.
You wiped them on your grass, so now your color was green.
Oh Lord, why did everything always have to keep changing like this?
You were already getting nervous again. Your head hurt and it rang when you stood up.
Your head was almost empty. It always hurt you when you woke up like this.
You crawled up out of your ditch onto your gravel road and began to walk, waiting for the rest of your mind to come back to you.
You can see the car parked far down the road and you walked toward it.
"If God is our Father," you thought, "then Satan must be our cousin."
Why didn't anyone else understand these important things?
You got to your car and tried all the doors. They were locked.
It was a red car and it was new. There was an expensive leather camera case laying on the seat.
Out across your field, you could see two tiny people walking by your woods. You began to walk towards them.
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"Study coordinator and epidemiologist Nathalie Burkert told The Austrian Times: “We have already distanced ourselves from this claim as it is an incorrect interpretation of our data.Shawshankcan wrote: »
"We did find that vegetarians suffer more from certain conditions like asthma, cancer and mental illnesses than people that eat meat as well, but we cannot say what is the cause and what is the effect"
Amusing how in this article there's an advert for The top 14 superfoods that will help you live to 100 and only 3 of them are meat (1 chicken, 2 fish)1 -
Video, why you post twice???
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helenrosec0 wrote: »
"Study coordinator and epidemiologist Nathalie Burkert told The Austrian Times: “We have already distanced ourselves from this claim as it is an incorrect interpretation of our data.Shawshankcan wrote: »
"We did find that vegetarians suffer more from certain conditions like asthma, cancer and mental illnesses than people that eat meat as well, but we cannot say what is the cause and what is the effect"
Amusing how in this article there's an advert for The top 14 superfoods that will help you live to 100 and only 3 of them are meat (1 chicken, 2 fish)
Good point!0
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