Welcome to Debate Club! Please be aware that this is a space for respectful debate, and that your ideas will be challenged here. Please remember to critique the argument, not the author.
Meat Eater, Vegetarian or Vegan?
Replies
-
janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jessica_sodenkamp wrote: »My diet is vegan. (Specifically hclf vegan.) Why?
It cured my anemia. I lost 25+ pounds. I'm getting more protein than I did when I ate meat.
I'm achieving more nutrient goals than before. In fact, I didn't have to take prenatal pills during my pregnancy because I was getting everything I needed just from eating. My energy levels are through the roof.
And my favorite reason...I can eat as much of anything that I'd like...given that I'm eating hclf. In fact, I was eating 2500-3000 calories when I lost the weight (and exercising sporadically at best). Pasta, sushi, fruit, burritos, curry, smoothies, ice cream...I love it.
Ice cream isn't vegan. Did you mean some type of faux ice cream?
There are tons of commercial vegan ice creams available now. Even Ben and Jerry's has some.
So ... yes, faux ice cream.
Wikipedia says that ice cream is "usually" made with dairy. It doesn't list it as a requirement.
I think you're just looking for an excuse to label vegan options as "faux food." So have fun with that.
No, not faux food, faux ice cream. Like turkey bacon is faux bacon or tofurkey is faux turkey, but both are food.
I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree that ice cream can only be made with dairy products or that it makes sense to correct a vegan who says they eat "ice cream" due to an expectation that s/he should write "faux ice cream" instead.
Made sense to me. I thought perhaps she meant vegetarian instead of vegan.0 -
Eat lots of meats, pretty much all lean meats, but meats of all kinds. Split my protein and carbs and then low fat.0
-
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jessica_sodenkamp wrote: »My diet is vegan. (Specifically hclf vegan.) Why?
It cured my anemia. I lost 25+ pounds. I'm getting more protein than I did when I ate meat.
I'm achieving more nutrient goals than before. In fact, I didn't have to take prenatal pills during my pregnancy because I was getting everything I needed just from eating. My energy levels are through the roof.
And my favorite reason...I can eat as much of anything that I'd like...given that I'm eating hclf. In fact, I was eating 2500-3000 calories when I lost the weight (and exercising sporadically at best). Pasta, sushi, fruit, burritos, curry, smoothies, ice cream...I love it.
Ice cream isn't vegan. Did you mean some type of faux ice cream?
There are tons of commercial vegan ice creams available now. Even Ben and Jerry's has some.
So ... yes, faux ice cream.
Wikipedia says that ice cream is "usually" made with dairy. It doesn't list it as a requirement.
I think you're just looking for an excuse to label vegan options as "faux food." So have fun with that.
No, not faux food, faux ice cream. Like turkey bacon is faux bacon or tofurkey is faux turkey, but both are food.
I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree that ice cream can only be made with dairy products or that it makes sense to correct a vegan who says they eat "ice cream" due to an expectation that s/he should write "faux ice cream" instead.
Made sense to me. I thought perhaps she meant vegetarian instead of vegan.
Exactly- if someone claiming to be vegan talks about eating ice cream it is reasonable to ask if they mean faux ice cream (nondairy frozen dessert, lol) or if they meant they are vegetarian...
0 -
tlflag1620 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jessica_sodenkamp wrote: »My diet is vegan. (Specifically hclf vegan.) Why?
It cured my anemia. I lost 25+ pounds. I'm getting more protein than I did when I ate meat.
I'm achieving more nutrient goals than before. In fact, I didn't have to take prenatal pills during my pregnancy because I was getting everything I needed just from eating. My energy levels are through the roof.
And my favorite reason...I can eat as much of anything that I'd like...given that I'm eating hclf. In fact, I was eating 2500-3000 calories when I lost the weight (and exercising sporadically at best). Pasta, sushi, fruit, burritos, curry, smoothies, ice cream...I love it.
Ice cream isn't vegan. Did you mean some type of faux ice cream?
There are tons of commercial vegan ice creams available now. Even Ben and Jerry's has some.
So ... yes, faux ice cream.
Wikipedia says that ice cream is "usually" made with dairy. It doesn't list it as a requirement.
I think you're just looking for an excuse to label vegan options as "faux food." So have fun with that.
No, not faux food, faux ice cream. Like turkey bacon is faux bacon or tofurkey is faux turkey, but both are food.
I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree that ice cream can only be made with dairy products or that it makes sense to correct a vegan who says they eat "ice cream" due to an expectation that s/he should write "faux ice cream" instead.
Made sense to me. I thought perhaps she meant vegetarian instead of vegan.
Exactly- if someone claiming to be vegan talks about eating ice cream it is reasonable to ask if they mean faux ice cream (nondairy frozen dessert, lol) or if they meant they are vegetarian...
I understand that someone who feels the impulse to "lol" at vegan food would also want to make sure it was called out as "faux ice cream."5 -
This content has been removed.
-
janejellyroll wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jessica_sodenkamp wrote: »My diet is vegan. (Specifically hclf vegan.) Why?
It cured my anemia. I lost 25+ pounds. I'm getting more protein than I did when I ate meat.
I'm achieving more nutrient goals than before. In fact, I didn't have to take prenatal pills during my pregnancy because I was getting everything I needed just from eating. My energy levels are through the roof.
And my favorite reason...I can eat as much of anything that I'd like...given that I'm eating hclf. In fact, I was eating 2500-3000 calories when I lost the weight (and exercising sporadically at best). Pasta, sushi, fruit, burritos, curry, smoothies, ice cream...I love it.
Ice cream isn't vegan. Did you mean some type of faux ice cream?
There are tons of commercial vegan ice creams available now. Even Ben and Jerry's has some.
So ... yes, faux ice cream.
Wikipedia says that ice cream is "usually" made with dairy. It doesn't list it as a requirement.
I think you're just looking for an excuse to label vegan options as "faux food." So have fun with that.
No, not faux food, faux ice cream. Like turkey bacon is faux bacon or tofurkey is faux turkey, but both are food.
I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree that ice cream can only be made with dairy products or that it makes sense to correct a vegan who says they eat "ice cream" due to an expectation that s/he should write "faux ice cream" instead.
Made sense to me. I thought perhaps she meant vegetarian instead of vegan.
Exactly- if someone claiming to be vegan talks about eating ice cream it is reasonable to ask if they mean faux ice cream (nondairy frozen dessert, lol) or if they meant they are vegetarian...
I understand that someone who feels the impulse to "lol" at vegan food would also want to make sure it was called out as "faux ice cream."
Not sure why you insist on making this some sort of slam again vegans. You can't change my intent but if you feel it's necessary to try, then have at it. I hope it brings some sort of peace or satisfaction.2 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jessica_sodenkamp wrote: »My diet is vegan. (Specifically hclf vegan.) Why?
It cured my anemia. I lost 25+ pounds. I'm getting more protein than I did when I ate meat.
I'm achieving more nutrient goals than before. In fact, I didn't have to take prenatal pills during my pregnancy because I was getting everything I needed just from eating. My energy levels are through the roof.
And my favorite reason...I can eat as much of anything that I'd like...given that I'm eating hclf. In fact, I was eating 2500-3000 calories when I lost the weight (and exercising sporadically at best). Pasta, sushi, fruit, burritos, curry, smoothies, ice cream...I love it.
Ice cream isn't vegan. Did you mean some type of faux ice cream?
There are tons of commercial vegan ice creams available now. Even Ben and Jerry's has some.
So ... yes, faux ice cream.
Wikipedia says that ice cream is "usually" made with dairy. It doesn't list it as a requirement.
I think you're just looking for an excuse to label vegan options as "faux food." So have fun with that.
No, not faux food, faux ice cream. Like turkey bacon is faux bacon or tofurkey is faux turkey, but both are food.
I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree that ice cream can only be made with dairy products or that it makes sense to correct a vegan who says they eat "ice cream" due to an expectation that s/he should write "faux ice cream" instead.
Made sense to me. I thought perhaps she meant vegetarian instead of vegan.
Exactly- if someone claiming to be vegan talks about eating ice cream it is reasonable to ask if they mean faux ice cream (nondairy frozen dessert, lol) or if they meant they are vegetarian...
I understand that someone who feels the impulse to "lol" at vegan food would also want to make sure it was called out as "faux ice cream."
Not sure why you insist on making this some sort of slam again vegans. You can't change my intent but if you feel it's necessary to try, then have at it. I hope it brings some sort of peace or satisfaction.
You never wrote "lol" (that I saw), so I'm not sure why you think that comment was directed at you. I wasn't addressing your intent and your passive-aggressive remarks about peace or satisfaction are completely unnecessary.
You already explained that you corrected the person who wrote "ice cream" because you thought perhaps that they were calling themselves a vegan when they were really a vegetarian and you felt it should be addressed. I have no reason to doubt that is true, although I'm still unsure why you feel the term "ice cream" should be defended against supposed vegan appropriation. Whatever. People's minds work in different ways.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jessica_sodenkamp wrote: »My diet is vegan. (Specifically hclf vegan.) Why?
It cured my anemia. I lost 25+ pounds. I'm getting more protein than I did when I ate meat.
I'm achieving more nutrient goals than before. In fact, I didn't have to take prenatal pills during my pregnancy because I was getting everything I needed just from eating. My energy levels are through the roof.
And my favorite reason...I can eat as much of anything that I'd like...given that I'm eating hclf. In fact, I was eating 2500-3000 calories when I lost the weight (and exercising sporadically at best). Pasta, sushi, fruit, burritos, curry, smoothies, ice cream...I love it.
Ice cream isn't vegan. Did you mean some type of faux ice cream?
There are tons of commercial vegan ice creams available now. Even Ben and Jerry's has some.
So ... yes, faux ice cream.
Wikipedia says that ice cream is "usually" made with dairy. It doesn't list it as a requirement.
I think you're just looking for an excuse to label vegan options as "faux food." So have fun with that.
No, not faux food, faux ice cream. Like turkey bacon is faux bacon or tofurkey is faux turkey, but both are food.
I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree that ice cream can only be made with dairy products or that it makes sense to correct a vegan who says they eat "ice cream" due to an expectation that s/he should write "faux ice cream" instead.
Made sense to me. I thought perhaps she meant vegetarian instead of vegan.
Exactly- if someone claiming to be vegan talks about eating ice cream it is reasonable to ask if they mean faux ice cream (nondairy frozen dessert, lol) or if they meant they are vegetarian...
I understand that someone who feels the impulse to "lol" at vegan food would also want to make sure it was called out as "faux ice cream."
I "lol'ed" at "nondairy frozen dessert". Not because it's vegan, but because it reminds me of The Simpsons where they talk about Krusty's partially gelatinated non-dairy gum-based beverages (and when Karl, I think it was Karl, pointed out that they were called "shakes" outside of Springfield, they were all disgusted - "you don't even know what they're putting in there").
Not a slam on vegans, I just found the name funny.3 -
I'm a total carnivore meat eater. But I do enjoy my vegetables and fruit. To me it's all of balance if you overindulge in any one thing it could lead to issues down the road. I know guys who are vegetarian and they have high blood pressure and high cholesterol. I work with a whole bunch of skinny guys who have diabetes and hypertension and high cholesterol. A lot of it has to do with your genetics and how your body processes certain foods so yes there is some common sense but some of it you just can't avoid.
Unfortunately now these days a lot of these research studies are politically motivated for one agenda or the other. We've all heard stories where something is bad for us for years and then another study just as comprehensive contradicts the first one. In the eighties there was a preservative that they put on apples called alair. Person after person got up in front of Congress and testified how bad this stuff was so Congress in their wisdom banned it. A couple years later they found out has no harmful effects it was just a celebrity political cause that they will jump on.
Plus if we weren't meant to eat meat we would have never invented barbecue grills.0 -
I eat a lot of meat. I don't pay any attention to lean versus fatty.
When I cut carbs way down, my cholesterol numbers plummeted. Tri's dropped over 75% in a couple years. Posted the best cholesterol numbers at my physical that my doctor has seen for me. No more talk of lipid drugs.
I could never be a vegan. That is just far too extreme.
Vegetarian? No way. Veggie burgers are awful. Besides, the brain needs fat to function properly. And bacon is just too awesome.1 -
I eat a lot of meat. I don't pay any attention to lean versus fatty.
When I cut carbs way down, my cholesterol numbers plummeted. Tri's dropped over 75% in a couple years. Posted the best cholesterol numbers at my physical that my doctor has seen for me. No more talk of lipid drugs.
I could never be a vegan. That is just far too extreme.
Vegetarian? No way. Veggie burgers are awful. Besides, the brain needs fat to function properly. And bacon is just too awesome.
The brain does need fat to function. Fortunately, there are many, many, many plant sources of fat.4 -
22 years old and i'm a vegetarian for 5 years i don't eat eggs but i eat egg products like whey protein , baked stuff etc and diary my diet is plant based i try to keep the proceed stuff including bread , pasta etc to a minimum not because its bad or anything but because that's how it should as i see a lot of vegetarians staking up on whole grains and pasta for the bulk of the calories which is pretty bad in my opinion . never had any issues with getting enough protein thanks to cottage cheese , milk and whey .. best decision i have ever made .. all meats were actually slowing me down athletically when i became vegetarian i became much faster and stronger even bigger when i;m bulking because of the healthy extra carbs0
-
iona_ellen wrote: »Hi,
I have friends who eat meat,, vegetarian & vegans. Doing a web search there is lots of sites with different views of which is overall healthier. What's your view? And from the nutrition side why did you choose this way?
Remember we're fitness 'pals' so stay friendly:D!
All 3 can be done in a healthy or an unhealthy manner. There is no black and white answer to which one is healthy and which one is not.
For me, I minimize my consumption of red meat, shellfish, and cereal because I try to minimize my iron intake, but I don't really put other restrictions on what I eat.0 -
I have been following a plant based diet... Slowly weaning off of meat to become vegan. My father had colon cancer and so has my mother in law. Her doctor said to stop eating red meat, that it has been proven to cause colon cancer. I feel going vegan is the best for me.4
-
The_Enginerd wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jessica_sodenkamp wrote: »My diet is vegan. (Specifically hclf vegan.) Why?
It cured my anemia. I lost 25+ pounds. I'm getting more protein than I did when I ate meat.
I'm achieving more nutrient goals than before. In fact, I didn't have to take prenatal pills during my pregnancy because I was getting everything I needed just from eating. My energy levels are through the roof.
And my favorite reason...I can eat as much of anything that I'd like...given that I'm eating hclf. In fact, I was eating 2500-3000 calories when I lost the weight (and exercising sporadically at best). Pasta, sushi, fruit, burritos, curry, smoothies, ice cream...I love it.
Ice cream isn't vegan. Did you mean some type of faux ice cream?
There are tons of commercial vegan ice creams available now. Even Ben and Jerry's has some.
So ... yes, faux ice cream.
Wikipedia says that ice cream is "usually" made with dairy. It doesn't list it as a requirement.
I think you're just looking for an excuse to label vegan options as "faux food." So have fun with that.
Not sure about other countries, but at least in the US, that would not be "ice cream". It would be a "non-dairy frozen desert". To be called "ice cream", a product must use milk and contain a certain amount of milk solids and fat. Some products which still have milk but cut back on the cream to save costs or make diet deserts are called "frozen dairy desert". Although colloquially, all of these products would be still be called ice cream.
that ice cream is the best ever i need to get me some more this weekend, mmmm vegan ice cream
2 -
Def meat0
-
So Delicious is really good, although I like the coconut milk kind more than the cashew milk.1
-
lemurcat12 wrote: »So Delicious is really good, although I like the coconut milk kind more than the cashew milk.
Larry & Luna's Coconut bliss bars are good too0 -
Why do you have to be one or the other? I eat veggies a lot, not because of any particular philosophy, but just because I like them. I also make imitation hamburger meat, hot dogs, etc... I can eat more of veggie stuff for the same amount of calories as meat, and it sets better on my stomach, most of the time. But I also eat meat from time to time, and I love fish (and fishing). I also like eggs, and cheese (although cheese has like a million calories per bite, so I try to restrain myself as much as possible). Humans are omnivores by nature, so why limit yourself?0
-
Why do you have to be one or the other? I eat veggies a lot, not because of any particular philosophy, but just because I like them. I also make imitation hamburger meat, hot dogs, etc... I can eat more of veggie stuff for the same amount of calories as meat, and it sets better on my stomach, most of the time. But I also eat meat from time to time, and I love fish (and fishing). I also like eggs, and cheese (although cheese has like a million calories per bite, so I try to restrain myself as much as possible). Humans are omnivores by nature, so why limit yourself?
Because they are exclusive definitions? Some words are like that.
I would imagine that someone that self-defines as a vegan doesn't eat meat. Funny how that works.
Humans make dietary choices by nature.
Me, I'm omnivorous, but I don't expect everyone to be the same. I'm ok with people making other choices.
I do dislike slightly having to take special care when cooking for my vegan/vegetarian friends as their restrictive diet has to be catered too, but they are always gracious about it.
2 -
-
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »I do dislike slightly having to take special care when cooking for my vegan/vegetarian friends as their restrictive diet has to be catered too, but they are always gracious about it.
I'm vegetarian, and I actually prefer that people NOT take special care when cooking for me. Unless the meal is a hamburger patty on the plate and nothing else, I can find something to eat. Cookout - burgers, potato salad, baked beans...I can make a meal.
I'm not vegan, so it's not as restrictive. The "special care" part has led to a lot of fuss where there doesn't really need to be any. Even if the meal were nothing but meat, it's just one meal. And how many meals are nothing but meat?
1 -
Why do you have to be one or the other? I eat veggies a lot, not because of any particular philosophy, but just because I like them. I also make imitation hamburger meat, hot dogs, etc... I can eat more of veggie stuff for the same amount of calories as meat, and it sets better on my stomach, most of the time. But I also eat meat from time to time, and I love fish (and fishing). I also like eggs, and cheese (although cheese has like a million calories per bite, so I try to restrain myself as much as possible). Humans are omnivores by nature, so why limit yourself?
Vegans would "limit" themselves because they have an ethical objection to unnecessary animal exploitation. Non-vegans, of course, can eat as many plant-based foods as they want (and many of them eat a great deal).1 -
I don't believe there is any right answer. I think all three can be done well, or can be done terribly. I know an overweight vegetarian, an underweight meat eater, an average weight vegan, etc. No one can agree on the best route to take and I am not a doctor/scientist so I will do what feels right for me.0
-
Why do you have to be one or the other? I eat veggies a lot, not because of any particular philosophy, but just because I like them. I also make imitation hamburger meat, hot dogs, etc... I can eat more of veggie stuff for the same amount of calories as meat, and it sets better on my stomach, most of the time. But I also eat meat from time to time, and I love fish (and fishing). I also like eggs, and cheese (although cheese has like a million calories per bite, so I try to restrain myself as much as possible). Humans are omnivores by nature, so why limit yourself?
Personal preference.0 -
Meat eater...love the taste.0
-
There's vegan and vegetarian junk food too!
I'm vegetarian, but overall I think a balanced diet is best.0 -
Vegan here. I love how it makes me feel and I can honestly say I love animals .0
-
I was in the best shape of my life and my energy and overall mood were absolutely AMAZiNG when I was a vegan on and off for a couple years (I slept better too) but after moving back to the Midwest it was hard to keep up. I'm back to eating everything again. Check out the movie "Fat, sick and nearly dead" if you want to try a 10 day vegan juice cleanse. I miss eating vegan but I understand it's not for everyone.0
This discussion has been closed.
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 393.6K Introduce Yourself
- 43.8K Getting Started
- 260.3K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.9K Food and Nutrition
- 47.5K Recipes
- 232.5K Fitness and Exercise
- 431 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.6K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 153K Motivation and Support
- 8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.8K MyFitnessPal Information
- 24 News and Announcements
- 1.1K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.6K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions