Milk thistle works ,weight loss,liver detox
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Sorry. Yes you are correct. When you click on the "store" or shopping icon, it shows "supplements" there. But I could not find anywhere where you can actually buy anything. So I am confused about the "Store".
No. The "Supplements" tab leads to their supplement reference/research database. When you click on the "Store" tab, you're taken to their store where they sell exactly three things (all publications) - Stack Guides, the Supplement Goals Reference and the Examine Research Digest.
If you read their article on milk thistle (which was linked upthread), it discusses the sources and composition, pharmacology, etc., then under "Scientific Support & Reference Citations" it links to 31 peer-reviewed studies which were referenced in their research.0 -
MissusMoon wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
That's a commercial page selling the stuff. That's not science.
You may want to read it again. Examine.com is one of the more reliable supplement information sites you can find on the internet and they do not sell any supplements.
Um, then why is there a shopping cart icon on the upper right corner? Why is there a link to their store, where they say they are the most trusted seller of supplements. Again, this site is not a scientific one...it's a supplement store.
Nope, they sell supplement guides. They sell science reviews.
They do not sell supplements.
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Lol Different thistle but same here put my palm into one while taking photos of my daughter in my dad's front yard in Florida. It was numb for days.subversive99 wrote: »I once stepped on a milk thistle. Hurt like hell.
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Yes milk thistle does help with weight loss my husband is also taking it to detox his liver and he eats like 4,000 plus cals a day and lost 14lbs in the 4 months. And he isn't that active so...my doctor actually recommended it.0
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nicolebarnhill32 wrote: »Yes milk thistle does help with weight loss my husband is also taking it to detox his liver and he eats like 4,000 plus cals a day and lost 14lbs in the 4 months. And he isn't that active so...my doctor actually recommended it.
So did your husband cut his calories down to 4000 or he always ate at that level0 -
nicolebarnhill32 wrote: »Yes milk thistle does help with weight loss my husband is also taking it to detox his liver and he eats like 4,000 plus cals a day and lost 14lbs in the 4 months. And he isn't that active so...my doctor actually recommended it.
If he is not very large, someone losing weight at 4K cals and inactivate is an indication of a probable health problem. Why does he think he needs to have a liver detox?1 -
I never used the word "cleanse". You need to read my earlier comments. Here is a National Institute of Health study on Milk Thistle extract. But you will probably disagree with that one also.As far as milk thistle - first of all, detoxes are a scam and do nothing beneficial. Second of all, there are no scientific studies showing any "cleansing" benefit of milk thistle. You do realize that Wikipedia is open source and can be edited by anybody, right? "Positive remarks in Wikipedia" do not equal science.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21466434
This is not a National Institute of Health Study. Actually, it's not even a study. It looks like more of an opinion piece- there are no subjects, no methodology, no results, nothing. It is literally a paragraph that was written by a couple of people in Hungary and published in a low-impact journal. I don't have access to the full article, so I'm assuming you don't either, but this proves absolutely nothing. It's amazing what people believe if they read it online.
Not to mention any milk thistle you buy on the shelf in the USA is not regulated by the FDA and they don't have to contain what they say they do in the amounts they say they do. If you're lucky, they follow good manufacturing practices (GMP), but that's if you're lucky, and there's still no guarantees.
If your liver really needs extra help "detoxing", you really need to be getting medical help, not advice on the internet.
Also, not sure who said this- but liver tests are NOT part of a metabolic panel. They are LFTs- liver function tests. BMP (basic metabolic panel) is sodium, potassium, chloride, glucose, bicarb, blood urea nitrogen (BUN) and serum creatinine.
I can't believe I'm actually wasting my time in this thread....3 -
I never used the word "cleanse". You need to read my earlier comments. Here is a National Institute of Health study on Milk Thistle extract. But you will probably disagree with that one also.As far as milk thistle - first of all, detoxes are a scam and do nothing beneficial. Second of all, there are no scientific studies showing any "cleansing" benefit of milk thistle. You do realize that Wikipedia is open source and can be edited by anybody, right? "Positive remarks in Wikipedia" do not equal science.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21466434
This is not a National Institute of Health Study. Actually, it's not even a study. It looks like more of an opinion piece- there are no subjects, no methodology, no results, nothing. It is literally a paragraph that was written by a couple of people in Hungary and published in a low-impact journal. I don't have access to the full article, so I'm assuming you don't either, but this proves absolutely nothing. It's amazing what people believe if they read it online.
Not to mention any milk thistle you buy on the shelf in the USA is not regulated by the FDA and they don't have to contain what they say they do in the amounts they say they do. If you're lucky, they follow good manufacturing practices (GMP), but that's if you're lucky, and there's still no guarantees.
If your liver really needs extra help "detoxing", you really need to be getting medical help, not advice on the internet.
Also, not sure who said this- but liver tests are NOT part of a metabolic panel. They are LFTs- liver function tests. BMP (basic metabolic panel) is sodium, potassium, chloride, glucose, bicarb, blood urea nitrogen (BUN) and serum creatinine.
I can't believe I'm actually wasting my time in this thread....
I'm glad you did though.4 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »nicolebarnhill32 wrote: »Yes milk thistle does help with weight loss my husband is also taking it to detox his liver and he eats like 4,000 plus cals a day and lost 14lbs in the 4 months. And he isn't that active so...my doctor actually recommended it.
So did your husband cut his calories down to 4000 or he always ate at that level
he has always eaten that amount ..and he also drinks beer 2x a week0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »nicolebarnhill32 wrote: »Yes milk thistle does help with weight loss my husband is also taking it to detox his liver and he eats like 4,000 plus cals a day and lost 14lbs in the 4 months. And he isn't that active so...my doctor actually recommended it.
If he is not very large, someone losing weight at 4K cals and inactivate is an indication of a probable health problem. Why does he think he needs to have a liver detox?
Beer drinking, medications for migraine, weight loss. He is 6'2 220 lbs0 -
I put this thread out there to help people who need it... because it helped me and that's it..0
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Can you open your food diary then so we can all see what you ate and how you did this?2
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nicolebarnhill32 wrote: »Yes milk thistle does help with weight loss my husband is also taking it to detox his liver and he eats like 4,000 plus cals a day and lost 14lbs in the 4 months. And he isn't that active so...my doctor actually recommended it.
Please could you advise the names of the toxins that milk thistle removes from the liver. I keep hearing "removes toxins" from you but would genuinely like to know the actual names of the ones it deals with.0 -
It didn't help you, it was everything else you were doing that did. You just think it helped you.nicolebarnhill32 wrote: »I put this thread out there to help people who need it... because it helped me and that's it..
corrolation =/= causation
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maybe everyone's right. .
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nicolebarnhill32 wrote: »Yes, I have a fatty liver and my enzymes were high, so I took the milk thistle and I lost. .. enzymes went back to normal too. It's not my calorie intake because,I vary drastically and go over alot.
I had elevated enzymes and a fatty liver. Losing 125+ pounds cured both. No milk thistle required.1 -
You should post the source when you copy and paste.
http://draxe.com/milk-thistle-benefits/
Dr. Axe is a quack who has been on Dr Oz. That should tell you something.4 -
if the above were true then why dont drug and alcohol detox places use milk thistle? why isnt it used in cancer treatments? for cholesterol treatments? etc? oh thats right because they obviously dont work.to reduce the risk of a lot of these things could be as simple as a change in diet and getting exercise for most people. some people get cancer no matter what they do. I knew a kid(my sons friend) who was healthy,active and ate right. he ended up with Ewing's Sarcoma at 15,he even went as far as doing natural treatments,diet,eating certain things,taking certain supplements and nothing helped not even chemo/radiation. some things cannot be cured even with modern medicine. your liver if working properly detoxes itself. thats all that is needed.0
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »if the above were true then why dont drug and alcohol detox places use milk thistle? why isnt it used in cancer treatments? for cholesterol treatments? etc? oh thats right because they obviously dont work.to reduce the risk of a lot of these things could be as simple as a change in diet and getting exercise for most people. some people get cancer no matter what they do. I knew a kid(my sons friend) who was healthy,active and ate right. he ended up with Ewing's Sarcoma at 15,he even went as far as doing natural treatments,diet,eating certain things,taking certain supplements and nothing helped not even chemo/radiation. some things cannot be cured even with modern medicine. your liver if working properly detoxes itself. thats all that is needed.You should post the source when you copy and paste.
http://draxe.com/milk-thistle-benefits/
Dr. Axe is a quack who has been on Dr Oz. That should tell you something.
Well, maybe you are all right?
who knows. Maybe it was my 16 lbs of loss that helped my liver. Maybe it is a waste of money. Lol thanks everyone. I think I'll stop taking it and see..... 0 -
nicolebarnhill32 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »if the above were true then why dont drug and alcohol detox places use milk thistle? why isnt it used in cancer treatments? for cholesterol treatments? etc? oh thats right because they obviously dont work.to reduce the risk of a lot of these things could be as simple as a change in diet and getting exercise for most people. some people get cancer no matter what they do. I knew a kid(my sons friend) who was healthy,active and ate right. he ended up with Ewing's Sarcoma at 15,he even went as far as doing natural treatments,diet,eating certain things,taking certain supplements and nothing helped not even chemo/radiation. some things cannot be cured even with modern medicine. your liver if working properly detoxes itself. thats all that is needed.You should post the source when you copy and paste.
http://draxe.com/milk-thistle-benefits/
Dr. Axe is a quack who has been on Dr Oz. That should tell you something.
Well, maybe you are all right? who knows. Maybe it was my 16 lbs of loss that helped me liver. Maybe it is a waste of money. Lol thanks everyone
Now you are on the right track. The credit goes to you for losing the weight, not some pill that did nothing. I would hope you would feel better knowing It was your hard work rather than a pill, but I could be wrong.
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nicolebarnhill32 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »if the above were true then why dont drug and alcohol detox places use milk thistle? why isnt it used in cancer treatments? for cholesterol treatments? etc? oh thats right because they obviously dont work.to reduce the risk of a lot of these things could be as simple as a change in diet and getting exercise for most people. some people get cancer no matter what they do. I knew a kid(my sons friend) who was healthy,active and ate right. he ended up with Ewing's Sarcoma at 15,he even went as far as doing natural treatments,diet,eating certain things,taking certain supplements and nothing helped not even chemo/radiation. some things cannot be cured even with modern medicine. your liver if working properly detoxes itself. thats all that is needed.You should post the source when you copy and paste.
http://draxe.com/milk-thistle-benefits/
Dr. Axe is a quack who has been on Dr Oz. That should tell you something.
Well, maybe you are all right? who knows. Maybe it was my 16 lbs of loss that helped me liver. Maybe it is a waste of money. Lol thanks everyone
Regarding the post by Dr Axe, here is the first reference:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17133738/
They basically compared an ingredient of milk thistle to ascorbic acid in reversing negative effects of high doses of ethanol on the liver.
People should really look into references to see if the linked study actually supports the message the blogger is sending.
This is one of many reasons why Dr Axe is basically Dr Crap.1 -
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This is not a National Institute of Health Study. Actually, it's not even a study. It looks like more of an opinion piece- there are no subjects, no methodology, no results, nothing. It is literally a paragraph that was written by a couple of people in Hungary and published in a low-impact journal. I don't have access to the full article, so I'm assuming you don't either, but this proves absolutely nothing. It's amazing what people believe if they read it online.
Not to mention any milk thistle you buy on the shelf in the USA is not regulated by the FDA and they don't have to contain what they say they do in the amounts they say they do. If you're lucky, they follow good manufacturing practices (GMP), but that's if you're lucky, and there's still no guarantees.
If your liver really needs extra help "detoxing", you really need to be getting medical help, not advice on the internet.
Also, not sure who said this- but liver tests are NOT part of a metabolic panel. They are LFTs- liver function tests. BMP (basic metabolic panel) is sodium, potassium, chloride, glucose, bicarb, blood urea nitrogen (BUN) and serum creatinine.
I can't believe I'm actually wasting my time in this thread....[/quote]
Some LFTs are included in a CMP (complete metabolic panel).
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Lol, yes I agree it was my hard work and dedication..most likey not milk thistle.
I'm not taking them anymore. thanks ya'll 1 -
nicolebarnhill32 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »if the above were true then why dont drug and alcohol detox places use milk thistle? why isnt it used in cancer treatments? for cholesterol treatments? etc? oh thats right because they obviously dont work.to reduce the risk of a lot of these things could be as simple as a change in diet and getting exercise for most people. some people get cancer no matter what they do. I knew a kid(my sons friend) who was healthy,active and ate right. he ended up with Ewing's Sarcoma at 15,he even went as far as doing natural treatments,diet,eating certain things,taking certain supplements and nothing helped not even chemo/radiation. some things cannot be cured even with modern medicine. your liver if working properly detoxes itself. thats all that is needed.You should post the source when you copy and paste.
http://draxe.com/milk-thistle-benefits/
Dr. Axe is a quack who has been on Dr Oz. That should tell you something.
Well, maybe you are all right? who knows. Maybe it was my 16 lbs of loss that helped me liver. Maybe it is a waste of money. Lol thanks everyone
Regarding the post by Dr Axe, here is the first reference:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17133738/
They basically compared an ingredient of milk thistle to ascorbic acid in reversing negative effects of high doses of ethanol on the liver.
People should really look into references to see if the linked study actually supports the message the blogger is sending.
This is one of many reasons why Dr Axe is basically Dr Crap.
Lol, ,that's funny...
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nicolebarnhill32 wrote: »zoeysasha37 wrote: »nicolebarnhill32 wrote: »Yes, I have a fatty liver and my enzymes were high, so I took the milk thistle and I lost. .. enzymes went back to normal too. It's not my calorie intake because,I vary drastically and go over alot.
For any weight loss to occur , one must be at a calorie deficit. Regardless if they realize they are at a deficit or not
If you feel milk thistle caused your weight loss, fine more power to you. But it is irresponsible to create a thread stating the milk thistle caused your weight loss . Beginners often lurk these boards desperately seeking information. Someone could read this and really believe that all they need to do is take milk thistle to lose weight.
Yes, you are right, it is both my healthy diet and MILK thistle combo..... I did forget to mention that in my original post but it is not just calories. I eat more calories sometimes and still lost weight . But I eat clean and healthy,lots of veggies,fruit,lean meat,nuts.
I eat more calories sometimes, and still lost weight. In fact, I ate hundreds more calories every day than MFP estimated as my maintenance calories and still lost weight. But I, too, eat "clean & healthy", lots of veggies, fruits, nuts (quotation marks because I'd never call it that; I just call it "eating food").
No lean meat, though. That must be why I didn't need to take the milk thistle.
( ;-) for those unable to recognize tongue-in cheek remarks when they read them . . . all factual statements true, however, just the inferential ones are dubious).
No opinion about whether MT is useful to people with unusual conditions. N = 1 suggests it's not essential to regular ol' healthy-ish fat people, in order to lose weight.0
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