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Helping with Form
brucealfred3
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So...I know some people don't like it, sometimes myself included. If I'm working on snatches, I couldn't care less if you think my hip contact sucks. But when you see the "bad" gym people...those who squat by just bending their knees, or do a burpree without even touching the floor. Or those who will hurt themselves...is it wrong to want to help people if it means making them upset? I do crossfit...and form is so important to me, I can't help but cringe or shake my head when I see people do hindering themselves
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I only say something if they're on the verge of hurting themselves. Otherwise it's not really any of my business.1
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I doubt you are helping at all if you are making them upset.
How do you do a burpee without touching the floor? Flying burpees?3 -
I only say something if they're on the verge of hurting themselves. Otherwise it's not really any of my business.
But shouldn't we as...people...help each other. It's not like I'm the douche bag who walks around as a no it all...but i genuinely want to help people.
And as a fellow athlete, I think it's right we should hold each other to a higher standard0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I doubt you are helping at all if you are making them upset.
How do you do a burpee without touching the floor? Flying burpees?
I was meaning when people do burpree by just staying in the top part of a push up, and that's it. You're chest is supposed to touch the floor, then come up0 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »I only say something if they're on the verge of hurting themselves. Otherwise it's not really any of my business.
But shouldn't we as...people...help each other. It's not like I'm the *kitten* who walks around as a no it all...but i genuinely want to help people.
And as a fellow athlete, I think it's right we should hold each other to a higher standard
Most people don't want someone telling them they are screwed up. No matter how polite you put it. Their standard and your standard are going to be very different. Focus on yourself and people who want help will ask you or find help on their own.
Also, there have been times that I was "doing something wrong" or had "bad form" and was told as much. What they didn't know is that there was a reason I was doing what I was doing and I was not wrong. You don't know them, their goals, their training plan. You don't see every workout they do.5 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I doubt you are helping at all if you are making them upset.
How do you do a burpee without touching the floor? Flying burpees?
I was meaning when people do burpree by just staying in the top part of a push up, and that's it. You're chest is supposed to touch the floor, then come up
Maybe they can't do a push up due to an injury.2 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I doubt you are helping at all if you are making them upset.
How do you do a burpee without touching the floor? Flying burpees?
I was meaning when people do burpree by just staying in the top part of a push up, and that's it. You're chest is supposed to touch the floor, then come up
That actually is a type of burpee. I said the same thing when I first saw it, but a lot of people teach that technique. It is the same concept as knee push ups or kipping pull-ups. It's just a different movement.
The question is whether or not it is a REAL danger to themselves or others. Realizing my limitations, I am disinclined to correct others without substantial knowledge of their specific situation and goals.0 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I doubt you are helping at all if you are making them upset.
How do you do a burpee without touching the floor? Flying burpees?
I was meaning when people do burpree by just staying in the top part of a push up, and that's it. You're chest is supposed to touch the floor, then come up
Maybe they can't do a push up due to an injury.
It was trained military... But anyway. Those were small examples. Do you help people for their sake? Or leave them alone for yours?
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brucealfred3 wrote: »I only say something if they're on the verge of hurting themselves. Otherwise it's not really any of my business.
But shouldn't we as...people...help each other. It's not like I'm the *kitten* who walks around as a no it all...but i genuinely want to help people.
And as a fellow athlete, I think it's right we should hold each other to a higher standard
i have had people try to correct my form and what htey were telling me was complete BS ...one dude told me that i needed to look straight up when deadlifting...really?
If I want help I will ask for it ...if I see someone at the gym doing something that will hurt them, then I will let them know that their form is off ....
but I don't want every tom, dick, and harry giving me form pointers just because they think they know best...1 -
This is why i so badly want to become a Crossfit instructor. I love helping people...help themselves0
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brucealfred3 wrote: »This is why i so badly want to become a Crossfit instructor. I love helping people...help themselves
regarding this situation, are you talking about an occurrence at a crossfit box?
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brucealfred3 wrote: »brucealfred3 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I doubt you are helping at all if you are making them upset.
How do you do a burpee without touching the floor? Flying burpees?
I was meaning when people do burpree by just staying in the top part of a push up, and that's it. You're chest is supposed to touch the floor, then come up
Maybe they can't do a push up due to an injury.
It was trained military... But anyway. Those were small examples. Do you help people for their sake? Or leave them alone for yours?
I leave them alone because I'm not their trainer and I don't know their training plan or health history. It has nothing to do with "my sake" and everything to do with understanding the full scope of personal training. If you are a certified personal trainer and work for the gym then feel free to speak up to people who are there and might need your help.
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brucealfred3 wrote: »This is why i so badly want to become a Crossfit instructor. I love helping people...help themselves
regarding this situation, are you talking about an occurrence at a crossfit box?
The crossfit has its one end of a plane hanger (it's huge) and there is a place for military personal to do there "workouts" so...yes and no0 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »This is why i so badly want to become a Crossfit instructor. I love helping people...help themselves
crossfit and form don't always go hand in hand....5 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »I only say something if they're on the verge of hurting themselves. Otherwise it's not really any of my business.
But shouldn't we as...people...help each other. It's not like I'm the *kitten* who walks around as a no it all...but i genuinely want to help people.
And as a fellow athlete, I think it's right we should hold each other to a higher standard
Most people don't want someone telling them they are screwed up. No matter how polite you put it. Their standard and your standard are going to be very different. Focus on yourself and people who want help will ask you or find help on their own.
Also, there have been times that I was "doing something wrong" or had "bad form" and was told as much. What they didn't know is that there was a reason I was doing what I was doing and I was not wrong. You don't know them, their goals, their training plan. You don't see every workout they do.
^Agree with this. I do burpees without touching my chest to the floor. If I did, my pushups would fail way before the rest of the movement. I do burpees to up the intensity, not to work my chest. Likewise, partial-reps are a legitimate training strategy, for squats or any exercise.
It's one thing to be open and receptive to helping others, but another to go around deciding who the "bad" gym people are based on your personal standards. Seems quite arrogant. Unless you're their trainer or psychic or something, I don't know how you'd know anything about their training or program.2 -
I've had people tell me good tips on form. I've had people tell me awful ones. I'd rather no one talk to me at all, especially since I don't know your background and credentials and don't know why I should trust your "help." And if you had tried to correct my burpee form, I would have told you to eff off - my trainer gave me a specific way to do them taking my injuries and weaknesses into account.
It's hard to bite my tongue when I see someone doing DLs with a back so rounded I could draw a rainbow on it, but I'm not their trainer and I have no credentials. It's not my place.1 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »This is why i so badly want to become a Crossfit instructor. I love helping people...help themselves
crossfit and form don't always go hand in hand....
Then you dont know what the heck youre talking about Nice try though.0 -
mskessler89 wrote: »I've had people tell me good tips on form. I've had people tell me awful ones. I'd rather no one talk to me at all, especially since I don't know your background and credentials and don't know why I should trust your "help." And if you had tried to correct my burpee form, I would have told you to eff off - my trainer gave me a specific way to do them taking my injuries and weaknesses into account.
It's hard to bite my tongue when I see someone doing DLs with a back so rounded I could draw a rainbow on it, but I'm not their trainer and I have no credentials. It's not my place.
Deadlifts are so tru0 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »I only say something if they're on the verge of hurting themselves. Otherwise it's not really any of my business.
But shouldn't we as...people...help each other. It's not like I'm the *kitten* who walks around as a no it all...but i genuinely want to help people.
And as a fellow athlete, I think it's right we should hold each other to a higher standard
Most people don't want someone telling them they are screwed up. No matter how polite you put it. Their standard and your standard are going to be very different. Focus on yourself and people who want help will ask you or find help on their own.
Also, there have been times that I was "doing something wrong" or had "bad form" and was told as much. What they didn't know is that there was a reason I was doing what I was doing and I was not wrong. You don't know them, their goals, their training plan. You don't see every workout they do.
^Agree with this. I do burpees without touching my chest to the floor. If I did, my pushups would fail way before the rest of the movement. I do burpees to up the intensity, not to work my chest. Likewise, partial-reps are a legitimate training strategy, for squats or any exercise.
It's one thing to be open and receptive to helping others, but another to go around deciding who the "bad" gym people are based on your personal standards. Seems quite arrogant. Unless you're their trainer or psychic or something, I don't know how you'd know anything about their training or program.
How are partial reps a good excersise strategy? That's ridiculous..."here...do half the work and you'll do fine". Maybe for the people who like not making progress.0 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »brucealfred3 wrote: »I only say something if they're on the verge of hurting themselves. Otherwise it's not really any of my business.
But shouldn't we as...people...help each other. It's not like I'm the *kitten* who walks around as a no it all...but i genuinely want to help people.
And as a fellow athlete, I think it's right we should hold each other to a higher standard
Most people don't want someone telling them they are screwed up. No matter how polite you put it. Their standard and your standard are going to be very different. Focus on yourself and people who want help will ask you or find help on their own.
Also, there have been times that I was "doing something wrong" or had "bad form" and was told as much. What they didn't know is that there was a reason I was doing what I was doing and I was not wrong. You don't know them, their goals, their training plan. You don't see every workout they do.
^Agree with this. I do burpees without touching my chest to the floor. If I did, my pushups would fail way before the rest of the movement. I do burpees to up the intensity, not to work my chest. Likewise, partial-reps are a legitimate training strategy, for squats or any exercise.
It's one thing to be open and receptive to helping others, but another to go around deciding who the "bad" gym people are based on your personal standards. Seems quite arrogant. Unless you're their trainer or psychic or something, I don't know how you'd know anything about their training or program.
How are partial reps a good excersise strategy? That's ridiculous..."here...do half the work and you'll do fine". Maybe for the people who like not making progress.
Partial reps are a training strategy. They help overcome sticking points on an exercise or built up the weaker portion of a lift. It is a training strategy used by many bodybuilders and powerlifters even at the professional levels.3 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »brucealfred3 wrote: »This is why i so badly want to become a Crossfit instructor. I love helping people...help themselves
crossfit and form don't always go hand in hand....
Then you dont know what the heck youre talking about Nice try though.
Pretty sure I do...just watch some of them do pull-ups...Kiiping , really???1 -
Some of your responses here indicate that you've only trained in crossfit. Not everyone working out in a crossfit setting does crossfit. One of the facilities in my area has an incredible set up and I use it when I'm working towards powerlifting meets. It means partial reps, rounded back deadlifts, and a variety of other lifts done "wrong".
If you are actually interested in people being athletes and holding each other to higher standards it might be a good idea to go lift with people who have very different goals from yourself. Go workout with a competitive bodybuilder and a competitive powerlifter. They're going to train different and each will probably do lots of things you will think are wrong. It's a really good idea to learn about other training methods.7 -
maybe you need to mind your own business...... really! According to your profile you are only 18....you might not think so, but there is slight possibility that you really DON'T know it all.....
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brucealfred3 wrote: »brucealfred3 wrote: »I only say something if they're on the verge of hurting themselves. Otherwise it's not really any of my business.
But shouldn't we as...people...help each other. It's not like I'm the *kitten* who walks around as a no it all...but i genuinely want to help people.
And as a fellow athlete, I think it's right we should hold each other to a higher standard
Most people don't want someone telling them they are screwed up. No matter how polite you put it. Their standard and your standard are going to be very different. Focus on yourself and people who want help will ask you or find help on their own.
Also, there have been times that I was "doing something wrong" or had "bad form" and was told as much. What they didn't know is that there was a reason I was doing what I was doing and I was not wrong. You don't know them, their goals, their training plan. You don't see every workout they do.
^Agree with this. I do burpees without touching my chest to the floor. If I did, my pushups would fail way before the rest of the movement. I do burpees to up the intensity, not to work my chest. Likewise, partial-reps are a legitimate training strategy, for squats or any exercise.
It's one thing to be open and receptive to helping others, but another to go around deciding who the "bad" gym people are based on your personal standards. Seems quite arrogant. Unless you're their trainer or psychic or something, I don't know how you'd know anything about their training or program.
How are partial reps a good excersise strategy? That's ridiculous..."here...do half the work and you'll do fine". Maybe for the people who like not making progress.
When you go to the level 1course, they will teach about scaling.1 -
Empty your cup, young grasshopper.2
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Partial reps are very helpful! Rack pulls have helped my lockout on deadlifts for sure0
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brucealfred3 wrote: »brucealfred3 wrote: »This is why i so badly want to become a Crossfit instructor. I love helping people...help themselves
crossfit and form don't always go hand in hand....
Then you dont know what the heck youre talking about Nice try though.
Pretty sure I do...just watch some of them do pull-ups...Kiiping , really???
So from what you watch...you think you know about it all?? That's rich. You see....the only difference in a killing pull up is that you move your legs for momentum...that's not bad form...unless of course you want to do 200 pull ups strict in a competition for time...good luck with that0 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »brucealfred3 wrote: »brucealfred3 wrote: »This is why i so badly want to become a Crossfit instructor. I love helping people...help themselves
crossfit and form don't always go hand in hand....
Then you dont know what the heck youre talking about Nice try though.
Pretty sure I do...just watch some of them do pull-ups...Kiiping , really???
So from what you watch...you think you know about it all?? That's rich. You see....the only difference in a killing pull up is that you move your legs for momentum...that's not bad form...unless of course you want to do 200 pull ups strict in a competition for time...good luck with that
Kipping pull ups to most lifters is similar to how you feel about partial reps. Kipping removes a significant portion of the work from the back, which is the point of doing a pull up. Many lifters would never do 200 pull ups, they would add weight to ensure they can't do that many. More bang for their buck when it comes to building size and/or strength. This is why I said I would not correct people in the gym, you don't know their training or their goals.8 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »brucealfred3 wrote: »brucealfred3 wrote: »This is why i so badly want to become a Crossfit instructor. I love helping people...help themselves
crossfit and form don't always go hand in hand....
Then you dont know what the heck youre talking about Nice try though.
Pretty sure I do...just watch some of them do pull-ups...Kiiping , really???
So from what you watch...you think you know about it all?? That's rich. You see....the only difference in a killing pull up is that you move your legs for momentum...that's not bad form...unless of course you want to do 200 pull ups strict in a competition for time...good luck with that
Kipping pull ups to most lifters is similar to how you feel about partial reps. Kipping removes a significant portion of the work from the back, which is the point of doing a pull up. Many lifters would never do 200 pull ups, they would add weight to ensure they can't do that many. More bang for their buck when it comes to building size and/or strength. This is why I said I would not correct people in the gym, you don't know their training or their goals.
Awesome example. You catching this, grasshopper?3 -
brucealfred3 wrote: »brucealfred3 wrote: »brucealfred3 wrote: »This is why i so badly want to become a Crossfit instructor. I love helping people...help themselves
crossfit and form don't always go hand in hand....
Then you dont know what the heck youre talking about Nice try though.
Pretty sure I do...just watch some of them do pull-ups...Kiiping , really???
So from what you watch...you think you know about it all?? That's rich. You see....the only difference in a killing pull up is that you move your legs for momentum...that's not bad form...unless of course you want to do 200 pull ups strict in a competition for time...good luck with that
Kipping pull ups to most lifters is similar to how you feel about partial reps. Kipping removes a significant portion of the work from the back, which is the point of doing a pull up. Many lifters would never do 200 pull ups, they would add weight to ensure they can't do that many. More bang for their buck when it comes to building size and/or strength. This is why I said I would not correct people in the gym, you don't know their training or their goals.
my sentiment exactly....
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