You don't have ''big bones'' or a ''big frame''
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Growing up, I always felt like a huge oaf in comparison to other girls. At the school weighins every year, most of the girls were a good 20 to 40 pounds slimmer than me. By the age of 8, I was 120 pounds and I got my period by age 10. I stopped growing in height at 11 and everything else stopped developing by 13 or so. In 6th grade I slimmed down to 110 due to an active summer. In 8th grade I was 140 pounds but got down to 120 after making friends and hanging outside more often. High school it was 120, 160, 140, 190 until I had enough.
Was it my body's "set point"? Was it my large frame? My big bones? No, it was me. It was the poor food choices in my household. It was my obese mother who didn't care about nutrition. It was the lack of homecooked meals and not being sent to school with lunch meaning "lunch" was Skittles and M&Ms from the vending machine or two sausage biscuits for $1 from McDonald's. It was being thrown money for a fast food dinner almost every night. Once I hit 18 and took control after moving out, I went from 190 to 115 in a bit over one year. My "large frame" was suddenly a small one. My "wide hips" slimmed down. However, my body composition was never as good as it is now because now I know much more than I did back then.
This was me last June at 139 pounds and me in May at 112 pounds.
I'm 109 pounds now. My frame changed a lot and I was never big boned or large framed to begin with. I just had to lose fat to see that.3 -
rainbowbow wrote: »
No, I like getting the definition and muscles now. I didn't like it when I was younger.0 -
I don't think being "large framed" or "big boned" is an excuse for being over weight but in reality there are those who are just that..."large framed" or "big boned"
I have broad shoulders for a woman and despite wearing a size small tshirt (cotton stretchy fabric) my fitted jackets are mediums because of my shoulders...I can't wear "normal" bracelets either and forget anklets...not happening....and this is after losing 50lbs...no fat on my wrists or around my shoulders at all.2 -
Growing up, I always felt like a huge oaf in comparison to other girls. At the school weighins every year, most of the girls were a good 20 to 40 pounds slimmer than me. By the age of 8, I was 120 pounds and I got my period by age 10. I stopped growing in height at 11 and everything else stopped developing by 13 or so. In 6th grade I slimmed down to 110 due to an active summer. In 8th grade I was 140 pounds but got down to 120 after making friends and hanging outside more often. High school it was 120, 160, 140, 190 until I had enough.
Was it my body's "set point"? Was it my large frame? My big bones? No, it was me. It was the poor food choices in my household. It was my obese mother who didn't care about nutrition. It was the lack of homecooked meals and not being sent to school with lunch meaning "lunch" was Skittles and M&Ms from the vending machine or two sausage biscuits for $1 from McDonald's. It was being thrown money for a fast food dinner almost every night. Once I hit 18 and took control after moving out, I went from 190 to 115 in a bit over one year. My "large frame" was suddenly a small one. My "wide hips" slimmed down. However, my body composition was never as good as it is now because now I know much more than I did back then.
This was me last June at 139 pounds and me in May at 112 pounds.
I'm 109 pounds now. My frame changed a lot and I was never big boned or large framed to begin with. I just had to lose fat to see that.
Excellent work. You are actually structured very much like a friend of mine. I did a bit of a double take at the similarities (including glasses and hair) until I realized that you don't have tattoos across your midsection. xD0 -
I have very broad shoulders, and fairly wide hips. I basically have the aesthetic appeal of a Kenmore Elite refrigerator. Those proportions have remained after losing 30 pounds, too. Some people are, in fact, more broad than others.5
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Tell that to my hips, even at my smallest at 16, 125, I was a size 9 and it wasn't fat.0
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Great transformation! This is inspiring that you did this much change in your body comp within a year. Plus your skin is nice and tight on your abs. I'm worried mine won't spring back like it used to.Growing up, I always felt like a huge oaf in comparison to other girls. At the school weighins every year, most of the girls were a good 20 to 40 pounds slimmer than me. By the age of 8, I was 120 pounds and I got my period by age 10. I stopped growing in height at 11 and everything else stopped developing by 13 or so. In 6th grade I slimmed down to 110 due to an active summer. In 8th grade I was 140 pounds but got down to 120 after making friends and hanging outside more often. High school it was 120, 160, 140, 190 until I had enough.
Was it my body's "set point"? Was it my large frame? My big bones? No, it was me. It was the poor food choices in my household... Once I hit 18 and took control after moving out, I went from 190 to 115 in a bit over one year. My "large frame" was suddenly a small one. My "wide hips" slimmed down. However, my body composition was never as good as it is now because now I know much more than I did back then.
This was me last June at 139 pounds and me in May at 112 pounds.
I'm 109 pounds now. My frame changed a lot and I was never big boned or large framed to begin with. I just had to lose fat to see that.
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itsthehumidity wrote: »I have very broad shoulders, and fairly wide hips. I basically have the aesthetic appeal of a Kenmore Elite refrigerator. Those proportions have remained after losing 30 pounds, too. Some people are, in fact, more broad than others.
Body shape is hereditary. My mom had to shop in the men's Levi section because she was straight up and down with no butt. However she was thin at 109 pounds and 5'4". I got the genes from my paternal side and have a bit more of a waist definition. Whereas my brother got my mom's build and could never pinch an inch. All you got was 1/4" of skin if you pinched his midsection. So I suppose we can all lose weight but fat distributes differently over bones and muscles from individual to individual. I have broad shoulders but they balance well with my body type so I'm fine with them.0 -
"Gaining" muscle for anyone isn't that easy. Showing definition of muscle may be easier for some than others. Showing more definition of muscle is usually where people think they gained muscle when in truth that's not what really happened.
I gain muscle super easily too within about 3-6 weeks of working out.
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zoeysasha37 wrote: »
What's gonna be really funny is when she does, and everyone starts screaming about anabolic use. I'm gonna enjoy it all.4 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »zoeysasha37 wrote: »
What's gonna be really funny is when she does, and everyone starts screaming about anabolic use. I'm gonna enjoy it all.
Or the exact opposite. But I guess we won't know until we see pictures of this extreme muscle gaining female.4 -
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/imagepages/17182.htm
As long as you don't have tons of fat accumulated around your wrist, this is fairly accurate. My wrists are pretty much just bone and I measured it to 6 inches. For my 5'0" stature, this puts me in the large frame category. I agree with those findings. I've always had fairly large bone structure which has always put me in the upper end of the "healthy weight" scale for my height. I would love to have a smaller frame and to be dainty, but that just is not possible with my bones.
I do appreciate that I've never had wrist or ankle problems tho. (Thanks mom!)1 -
I, and my doctor, would disagree. I was horribly overweight, and I lost over 200lbs, but I'm still someone with a large frame. I'm 6'6", 265lbs, with a 14% BF (according to my BodPod test last week). So, yeah, I have a large frame, and I actually have very dense bones (powerlifting will do that to you).
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https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/imagepages/17182.htm
As long as you don't have tons of fat accumulated around your wrist, this is fairly accurate. My wrists are pretty much just bone and I measured it to 6 inches. For my 5'0" stature, this puts me in the large frame category. I agree with those findings. I've always had fairly large bone structure which has always put me in the upper end of the "healthy weight" scale for my height. I would love to have a smaller frame and to be dainty, but that just is not possible with my bones.
I do appreciate that I've never had wrist or ankle problems tho. (Thanks mom!)
I like how that link takes the 6'6'' guy above, me at 5'10 and short guys at 5'5'' and just says for all of us "if your wrist has at least this circumference you have that frame size".4 -
stevencloser wrote: »https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/imagepages/17182.htm
As long as you don't have tons of fat accumulated around your wrist, this is fairly accurate. My wrists are pretty much just bone and I measured it to 6 inches. For my 5'0" stature, this puts me in the large frame category. I agree with those findings. I've always had fairly large bone structure which has always put me in the upper end of the "healthy weight" scale for my height. I would love to have a smaller frame and to be dainty, but that just is not possible with my bones.
I do appreciate that I've never had wrist or ankle problems tho. (Thanks mom!)
I like how that link takes the 6'6'' guy above, me at 5'10 and short guys at 5'5'' and just says for all of us "if your wrist has at least this circumference you have that frame size".
Nevermind that my wrist is a lot smaller now that I've lost 100lbs. MUCH smaller.5 -
What kills me about all the talk of "large frame size" is most of it (or at least a disproportionate amount of it) is coming from women. Men are actually the ones most likely to be treated unfairly by the bmi tables. Men are more likely to have a truly "large frame" at any given height. BMI is actually very, very forgiving to women, "allowing" them to be as heavy as an equivalent height male and still be counted as a "normal" weight, despite having considerably more body fat (generally). I can't help but wonder, whenever a woman says bmi isn't a useful measure for her because of a large frame, is her frame really as large as a man's? Really? Because it would have to be in order for that to be true.3
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Some of the responses here make my head hurt. Lemme go get some fresh air.
trjjoy, I think see what you're saying. If anything, I take it as an attempt to motivate fellow mfp-ers.
Growing up my mother would always say, "I'm sorry, you have my body. You'll never be a skinny mini." It wasn't until looking at the success stories that I threw that idea out the window. It is possible to completely alter your body, so don't give up or limit yourself into thinking that you can't attain a thin body.
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Some of the responses here make my head hurt. Lemme go get some fresh air.
trjjoy, I think see what you're saying. If anything, I take it as an attempt to motivate fellow mfp-ers.
Growing up my mother would always say, "I'm sorry, you have my body. You'll never be a skinny mini." It wasn't until looking at the success stories that I threw that idea out the window. It is possible to completely alter your body, so don't give up or limit yourself into thinking that you can't attain a thin body.
That's how I take it, anyway0 -
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/imagepages/17182.htm
As long as you don't have tons of fat accumulated around your wrist, this is fairly accurate. My wrists are pretty much just bone and I measured it to 6 inches. For my 5'0" stature, this puts me in the large frame category. I agree with those findings. I've always had fairly large bone structure which has always put me in the upper end of the "healthy weight" scale for my height. I would love to have a smaller frame and to be dainty, but that just is not possible with my bones.
I do appreciate that I've never had wrist or ankle problems tho. (Thanks mom!)
So according to this, my wrists are too small for my height, also I may be smaller up top, but my hips are not small enough to be 100% small boned.
I will admit my wrists and hands are very small in proportion to the rest of me, they always have been even when I didn't weigh 250 pounds.0 -
People have to have different sized frames...or something. It would certainly explain why I work out and diet, but I'm still two sizes heavier than friends of mine who weigh within ten pounds of me but wear two sizes smaller.
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zoeysasha37 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »zoeysasha37 wrote: »
What's gonna be really funny is when she does, and everyone starts screaming about anabolic use. I'm gonna enjoy it all.
Or the exact opposite. But I guess we won't know until we see pictures of this extreme muscle gaining female.
Lol. It isn't extreme by your standards.0 -
Adult brain sizes can vary by as much as 70% within a gender. How can you completely dismiss the concept that people's skeletal frames also vary considerably?
^^^For realz!
No one disputes that a person's body changes when they lose weight, but sorry sista, women & men alike do have different SKELETAL frames. If you ever dissected a human body, then you'd know first hand. It truly is amazing, and I considered it an honor, to be able to see this so many times first hand during my educational career.
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Some of the responses here make my head hurt. Lemme go get some fresh air.
trjjoy, I think see what you're saying. If anything, I take it as an attempt to motivate fellow mfp-ers.
Growing up my mother would always say, "I'm sorry, you have my body. You'll never be a skinny mini." It wasn't until looking at the success stories that I threw that idea out the window. It is possible to completely alter your body, so don't give up or limit yourself into thinking that you can't attain a thin body.
This is so true! I used to work with a guy who was 40 with the typical beer potbelly look. He started jogging and working out with weights and transformed himself into a different looking person entirely!0 -
tlflag1620 wrote: »What kills me about all the talk of "large frame size" is most of it (or at least a disproportionate amount of it) is coming from women. Men are actually the ones most likely to be treated unfairly by the bmi tables. Men are more likely to have a truly "large frame" at any given height. BMI is actually very, very forgiving to women, "allowing" them to be as heavy as an equivalent height male and still be counted as a "normal" weight, despite having considerably more body fat (generally). I can't help but wonder, whenever a woman says bmi isn't a useful measure for her because of a large frame, is her frame really as large as a man's? Really? Because it would have to be in order for that to be true.
Like you, I find this ironic. I think women are a lot less likely than men to attribute their weight issues to their own actions. Women often need to blame circumstances for being overweight.
When was the last time you heard a man claim to have hypothyroidism or a low metabolic rate as the reason why he's fat?
The "big boned" argument is just another excuse that some women use to justify their weight, despite established medical reason.
In case anyone is wondering, I'm a woman.2 -
tlflag1620 wrote: »What kills me about all the talk of "large frame size" is most of it (or at least a disproportionate amount of it) is coming from women. Men are actually the ones most likely to be treated unfairly by the bmi tables. Men are more likely to have a truly "large frame" at any given height. BMI is actually very, very forgiving to women, "allowing" them to be as heavy as an equivalent height male and still be counted as a "normal" weight, despite having considerably more body fat (generally). I can't help but wonder, whenever a woman says bmi isn't a useful measure for her because of a large frame, is her frame really as large as a man's? Really? Because it would have to be in order for that to be true.
Like you, I find this ironic. I think women are a lot less likely than men to attribute their weight issues to their own actions. Women often need to blame circumstances for being overweight.
When was the last time you heard a man claim to have hypothyroidism or a low metabolic rate as the reason why he's fat?
The "big boned" argument is just another excuse that some women use to justify their weight, despite established medical reason.
In case anyone is wondering, I'm a woman.
actually that happens here a lot...men attribute a lot of different things for their weight gain...one guy claims he can eat 1k deficit and not lose weight but then turn around and eat 1k over maintenance and not gain....
some people yes use that excuse...not just women....
I never blamed it but didn't think I could ever be a size 6 due to my "larger frame"...turns out I was half right...jeans are a 6 but not my jackets they are still an 8-10 (medium) due to my shoulders being broad etc...
I think it allows me to potentially carry more weight (currently 150lbs) and not look like it...as well as my muscle mass of course...2 -
I once read a fascinating article about this. It basically said there are variations but they are negligible in the scheme of things. They took a bunch of average height women some of whom said they were small, some large and X-rayed them and they all looked pretty much the same underneath. Things like hips and waist measurements were more to do with where they held fat/muscle rather than the bones underneath. i remember it pointed out that 90% of women are within the same 2 shoes sizes, regardless of height for the same reason .0
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tlflag1620 wrote: »What kills me about all the talk of "large frame size" is most of it (or at least a disproportionate amount of it) is coming from women. Men are actually the ones most likely to be treated unfairly by the bmi tables. Men are more likely to have a truly "large frame" at any given height. BMI is actually very, very forgiving to women, "allowing" them to be as heavy as an equivalent height male and still be counted as a "normal" weight, despite having considerably more body fat (generally). I can't help but wonder, whenever a woman says bmi isn't a useful measure for her because of a large frame, is her frame really as large as a man's? Really? Because it would have to be in order for that to be true.
Like you, I find this ironic. I think women are a lot less likely than men to attribute their weight issues to their own actions. Women often need to blame circumstances for being overweight.
When was the last time you heard a man claim to have hypothyroidism or a low metabolic rate as the reason why he's fat?
The "big boned" argument is just another excuse that some women use to justify their weight, despite established medical reason.
In case anyone is wondering, I'm a woman.
For clarity - I'm not sure women are more likely to make excuses about their weight in general (although it is still less socially acceptable to be a "fat chick" than it is to be an overweight male), they are just more likely to whine about bmi being an unfair metric, even though if it is "unfair" to anyone, it's unfair to men.
Fwiw, I'm female, and I was told that I was "just big boned" when I was at my heaviest. I knew it was crap - being 5'7" means I am as tall as a good number of guys. I have nowhere near their frame size, even at the same height (or taller). Maybe shorter women don't have that same reference point (or are less likely too) and so they are more likely to believe it?
That said, yes there can be true "outliers" (and that can include women), but a female outlier would have to be rather exceptional. I'd say bmi probably applies quite readily to well over 90% of the female population.
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I look best at about 150-155lb which puts me in a size 6/8US depending on brand. This also puts my BMI at just overweight by the standard chart. I have a naturally larger build than some. Is it an excuse to be fat or unhealthy? - no. It is a reason why my healthy goals will differ from someone petite though. I will never be petite and that's fine with me as long as I can get back to where I was fit and healthy. I can wear a normal jean size despite a larger build. Unfortunately in the shoe department I will always be out of luck . . . womens size 10 are hard to find in cute styles without ordering online
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