What is going on with all the cops being shot

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  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,970 Member
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    PurringMyrrh wrote: »
    Thanks for a genuine answer! Although, I'm not sure where you gathered I was misinformed. I never stated specific crime statistics. Whether it happened 7.8 times per 100,000 people in 2013 and 6.2 times per 100,000 people now, doesn't negate the fact it's still happening all over the country on almost a daily basis. Five people shot and eight robberies in Oakland alone last night. Another found murdered in his hotel room in Sacramento.That's just two cities in a huge state amongst many states. I guarentee that just didn't happen only here in NorCal either. I'm sure I could Google and find all sorts of other incidents throughout the states just from this last weekend, but the majority of those will only have a few people and a bouquet of flowers at the crime scene.

    You're welcome.

    You might be shocked to learn that Oakland and Sacramento are 80 miles apart. Go check the map if you don't believe me. These two cities and a few other stories you've heard don't constitute "all over the country."

    The reason there aren't reporters at crime scenes when the crime wasn't committed by police ... well, I already explained that one to you and you thanked me for it. So I'm a little surprised to see you beating the dead horse again, and so soon.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 27,912 Member
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    _A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »
    Maximus wrote: »
    I'll throw this out there.... if the police tell me to stop, I stop. If they tell me to not move, I don't move.

    tbf though- didn't that one black guy basically do what he was told? guy told the cop he had a LTC, cop said don't move, guy raised his hands where the officer could see, and so the cop emptied his gun into him?

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/castile-told-officer-gun-key-part-final-moments-40566343

    ...Castile, who was black, was fatally shot July 6 after he was pulled over by St. Anthony police officer Jeronimo Yanez, who is Latino. Castile's girlfriend streamed the aftermath live on Facebook and said Castile was shot while reaching for his ID after telling the officer he had a gun permit and was armed.

    ...Castile's girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, who was a passenger in the car along with her 4-year-old daughter, stressed in her video that Castile complied with Yanez's requests before the encounter turned fatal. But when talking to reporters the day after his death, she shed light on possible confusion stemming from Castile's final words to the officer.

    "As he's reaching for his back pocket wallet, he lets the officer know: 'Officer, I have a firearm on me,'" she said. "I begin to yell, 'But he's licensed to carry.' After that, (the officer) began to take off shots."
  • toned_thugs_n_harmony
    toned_thugs_n_harmony Posts: 1,001 Member
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    cops need to be held responsible for their actions just like you and I.

    that being said, I live in St. Paul where protests are happening 24/7 right now and if these cops aren't prosecuted for their wrong doings (which they 100% were wrong) this whole city is gonna blow up.

    and I'm legit scared for that day.
  • bennettinfinity
    bennettinfinity Posts: 865 Member
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    kshama2001 wrote: »
    _A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »
    didn't more white people get killed by cops in 2015 than any other race anyhow?

    at least in the US. there was some kinda big brouhaha with the washington post themselves sponsoring the study if i remember right.

    i've always assumed most cops are only capable of seeing blue. and considering the sheer amount of coke theft from the evidence lockers, can you blame them?

    You have to look at that in terms of percentage of population, not raw numbers.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-police-shootings-race-20160711-story.html

    ...But data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.

    According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

    U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times as great as the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

    You're only controlling for one variable, the next step would then be to control for crime rates based on race. You're assuming that crime rates (and any subsequent encounters with police) are proportional - they're not.
  • Turb2o
    Turb2o Posts: 82 Member
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    The tragic events in France are shocking and discusting but what's happening in your good ole us seems to be tit for tat you all need to wake up
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 27,912 Member
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    bennettinfinity wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    _A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »
    didn't more white people get killed by cops in 2015 than any other race anyhow?

    at least in the US. there was some kinda big brouhaha with the washington post themselves sponsoring the study if i remember right.

    i've always assumed most cops are only capable of seeing blue. and considering the sheer amount of coke theft from the evidence lockers, can you blame them?

    You have to look at that in terms of percentage of population, not raw numbers.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-police-shootings-race-20160711-story.html

    ...But data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.

    According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

    U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times as great as the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

    You're only controlling for one variable, the next step would then be to control for crime rates based on race. You're assuming that crime rates (and any subsequent encounters with police) are proportional - they're not.

    I'm not familiar with crime rates based on race. But if rates were higher for blacks, would this still be ok?

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  • Tigg_er
    Tigg_er Posts: 22,001 Member
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    bennettinfinity wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    _A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »
    didn't more white people get killed by cops in 2015 than any other race anyhow?

    at least in the US. there was some kinda big brouhaha with the washington post themselves sponsoring the study if i remember right.

    i've always assumed most cops are only capable of seeing blue. and considering the sheer amount of coke theft from the evidence lockers, can you blame them?

    You have to look at that in terms of percentage of population, not raw numbers.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-police-shootings-race-20160711-story.html

    ...But data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.

    According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

    U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times as great as the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

    You're only controlling for one variable, the next step would then be to control for crime rates based on race. You're assuming that crime rates (and any subsequent encounters with police) are proportional - they're not.

    Thats correct , Look at The FBI Crime stats, You need to look at all of them , you just can't cherry pick what stats fit what ever view you want. That's why they can be so deceiving to some and paint a distorted picture.
  • Turb2o
    Turb2o Posts: 82 Member
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    _incogNEATo_ wrote: »
    Turb2o wrote: »
    The tragic events in France are shocking and discusting but what's happening in your good ole us seems to be tit for tat you all need to wake up

    Are you going to provide anything useful?
    No are kids in danger of being shot I know my kids are safe put the guns down you mugs
  • bennettinfinity
    bennettinfinity Posts: 865 Member
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    kshama2001 wrote: »
    bennettinfinity wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    _A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »
    didn't more white people get killed by cops in 2015 than any other race anyhow?

    at least in the US. there was some kinda big brouhaha with the washington post themselves sponsoring the study if i remember right.

    i've always assumed most cops are only capable of seeing blue. and considering the sheer amount of coke theft from the evidence lockers, can you blame them?

    You have to look at that in terms of percentage of population, not raw numbers.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-police-shootings-race-20160711-story.html

    ...But data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.

    According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

    U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times as great as the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

    You're only controlling for one variable, the next step would then be to control for crime rates based on race. You're assuming that crime rates (and any subsequent encounters with police) are proportional - they're not.

    I'm not familiar with crime rates based on race. But if rates were higher for blacks, would this still be ok?

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    I don't think anyone on this thread is saying there aren't problems. There are bad cops; good cops can make mistakes in the heat of the moment. I think we all agree that in cases where criminal behavior can be proven, the individual should be punished.

    I'm just pointing out an obvious flaw in your statistical analysis - and using bad statistics in support of inflammatory rhetoric is not helping work toward a solution.
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