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What do you think of people who are naturally slim?
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
The "lose the weight" instruction is typically stated in seconds. When I was overweight and on statins, my doctor would say, "remember, diet and exercise!" That is meaningless pablum, and many patients get this meaningless pablum as advise. And then they give you the prescription.
Again, that's what they shouldn't do, as far as you're concerned.0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »
So you're blaming doctors for the fact that most patients won't follow good advice, and the fact that doctors prescribe drugs because they know that most patients won't follow their good advice?
"Don't forget, diet and exercise" is not advise. It is an off the cuff remark that means nothing to most people. It should be emphasized, not just spit out in two seconds.
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Some people are naturally slim. My friend is just a little over 5 feet, 110 lbs soaking wet, near 40 years old with a kid. And I've seen what she eats. She's Italian and Sicilian so lots of pasta and she drinks regular soda. She also has great skin and looks 10 years younger then she is!0
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
"Don't forget, diet and exercise" is not advise. It is an off the cuff remark that means nothing to most people. It should be emphasized, not just spit out in two seconds.
You ever think they're repeating it day in and day out and have been doing so for years? I can see their frustration when I visit my doctors, and when we bring our children to their pediatrician. The reactions are "no, you're in great shape, I'd love to have more patients like this", or "no, don't worry about your daughter being thin, kids should be thin and the current charts are skewed from everyone being overweight." The doctor isn't a coach there to cajole you. He or she is there to prescribe and treat. You choose to either listen or not listen. You only have yourself to blame.8 -
RachelElser wrote: »Some people are naturally slim. My friend is just a little over 5 feet, 110 lbs soaking wet, near 40 years old with a kid. And I've seen what she eats. She's Italian and Sicilian so lots of pasta and she drinks regular soda. She also has great skin and looks 10 years younger then she is!
Yes, another naturally slim person.
But here come the comments - "she's really not eating as much as you think she is eating," or, "she's secretly running five miles a day and not telling you," or, "you don't know how much running around she has to do with that kid."
Denial, denial, denial that there are naturally slim people because they have fast metabolisms.2 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
The "lose the weight" instruction is typically stated in seconds. When I was overweight and on statins, my doctor would say, "remember, diet and exercise!" That is meaningless pablum, and many patients get this meaningless pablum as advise. And then they give you the prescription.
I don't understand this at all. Instructions from your doctor are meaningless because other patients get the same advice? And you always have the right to refuse a prescription. You can say "I'd rather try the diet and exercise thing first. Can you give me some basic advice or refer me to a dietician?" If you want. Perhaps the doctor whips out the prescription pad because he (or she) can see that you are not listening to the advice about lifestyle changes. Your health is your responsibility.2 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
Yes, another naturally slim person.
But here come the comments - "she's really not eating as much as you think she is eating," or, "she's secretly running five miles a day and not telling you," or, "you don't know how much running around she has to do with that kid."
Denial, denial, denial that there are naturally slim people because they have fast metabolisms.
You're right. The studies are clearly wrong. You have it all figured out. You're doomed. Those of us who are fit don't exercise and control our diets. We're just naturally fit. Sucks for you. Awesome for me though. I'm off to eat a bag of Cheetos and not work out and not run for the fifth time this week.11 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
Yes, another naturally slim person.
But here come the comments - "she's really not eating as much as you think she is eating," or, "she's secretly running five miles a day and not telling you," or, "you don't know how much running around she has to do with that kid."
Denial, denial, denial that there are naturally slim people because they have fast metabolisms.
Metabolisms do vary, but not greatly given same size and body composition. Often people who eat a lot without gaining as much as expected simply aren't absorbing as much of what they eat as others. While metabolic rates don't vary greatly, guts do.3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Metabolisms do vary, but not greatly given same size and body composition. Often people who eat a lot without gaining as much as expected simply aren't absorbing as much of what they eat as others. While metabolic rates don't vary greatly, guts do.
Right, plus, as already been established, "lots of" pasta means different things to different people. I've lost weight eating while still eating lots of pasta. My definition of lots of pasta has also changed over the years. Pasta in and of itself doesn't make overweight unless you consume too many calories.
Additionally, we can't glean from the original comment how this person eats the rest of the time when not with company, how active they are, etc... if she follows something like the Mediterranean diet, the basis for being able to eat that way is also to be as active as possible.
To look at this one offhand example and make the blanket statement "see, this person is naturally slim" without also having this info to examine is jumping the gun a bit.0 -
I'm very jealous. LOL! My son is slim and food is just fuel to him. My daughter doesn't have any weight issues either. I never did until I hit 40. Coincidentally, both of my children are vegan. I raised of them on good nutritious foods which wasn't so easy. Their dad, my ex- who I do get along very well with, eats only starchy veggies (hates green veggies), meats, breads & dessert & hates exercising. Both of them enjoy a wide variety of veggies and are very fitness-oriented. I did something right that they eat nutritiously. I am a meat-eater by the way.0
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dragon_girl26 wrote: »
Right, plus, as already been established, "lots of" pasta means different things to different people. I've lost weight eating while still eating lots of pasta. My definition of lots of pasta has also changed over the years. Pasta in and of itself doesn't make overweight unless you consume too many calories.
Additionally, we can't glean from the original comment how this person eats the rest of the time when not with company, how active they are, etc... if she follows something like the Mediterranean diet, the basis for being able to eat that way is also to be as active as possible.
The bolded section is important. I used to get the "you're so lucky to be naturally slim" remarks all the time because my BMI was low but when with friends I'd eat a lot. But I didn't eat like all the time. Most of the time I ate reasonable portions.4 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
Yes, another naturally slim person.
But here come the comments - "she's really not eating as much as you think she is eating," or, "she's secretly running five miles a day and not telling you," or, "you don't know how much running around she has to do with that kid."
Denial, denial, denial that there are naturally slim people because they have fast metabolisms.
No one said secretly anything. In fact I asked you about your own habits and you didn't even respond. The facts have been yours all along but you seem afraid to examine them0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
The bolded section is important. I used to get the "you're so lucky to be naturally slim" remarks all the time because my BMI was low but when with friends I'd eat a lot. But I didn't eat like all the time. Most of the time I ate reasonable portions.
Yeah. My dad had a coworker he exchanged rides to work with years ago. The coworker, a guy, was slim as a rail, and if someone was around only him at dinnertime, they could make the assessment that he must be naturally thin because all he eats is Taco Bell. However, dad was around him for the entire 12 hour shifts at work, and the two Taco Bell tacos was all this coworker ate the entire shift. Their jobs were fairly active, too.3 -
Not slim but clearly naturally fit. Probably doesn't even lift. Just gifted.6
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Misty Copeland. Clearly, SHE is naturally slim.
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Depending on what foods you choose, even a meager 1000 calories over the course of a day can look like "a lot of food".2
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emmadonaldson95 wrote: »
I think i know what you meant here. However given that overweighr 'fat' people are more prone to diabetes, various cancers, heart problems etc. Due to their excessive weight i'm not sure we should go round calling them healthy because they must be making plenty unhealthy choices to maintain a high weight.
Obviously their are other factors to health but you cannot truly be healthy when you're fat.
Take this woman for example Jessamyn Stanley, she is fat. But healthier than a lot of skinny people that I know based off of her athletic ability. Fat or skinny, if you eat like crap and don't do any sort of physical activity you're living an unhealthy lifestyle. This is why I say promote a healthy life style for overall health not solely on looks.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
I loved Bodies In Motion! It wasn't early 80's, so later than the timeframe in the post above, but still a fun workout. That Gilad dude was a hoot!
I'm going to have to see if those are available on DVD. That might be my workout this winter when I don't get outside much.
A few years ago when I first started trying to exercise after joining MFP I stumbled on some Gilad reruns( Total Body Sculpt) aired on Discovery Fit and Health channel. I recorded them, and have about 20 on my DVR. At first I thought they were cheesy, and didn't think they would be effective but I've been doing them 3 x a week with increasing dumbbell weights for the last 3 years and really enjoy them.0 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
"Don't forget, diet and exercise" is not advise. It is an off the cuff remark that means nothing to most people. It should be emphasized, not just spit out in two seconds.
How does it mean nothing to most people. Most fat people might not be motivated to bother, but what it means is obvious and the vast majority of people are perfectly capable of losing weight without being told how to do so by their doctor. It's not complicated.0 -
dragon_girl26 wrote: »
Yeah. My dad had a coworker he exchanged rides to work with years ago. The coworker, a guy, was slim as a rail, and if someone was around only him at dinnertime, they could make the assessment that he must be naturally thin because all he eats is Taco Bell. However, dad was around him for the entire 12 hour shifts at work, and the two Taco Bell tacos was all this coworker ate the entire shift. Their jobs were fairly active, too.
2 tacos? That's sounds like the guy was starving himself. Who would think a man was naturally slim because he ate 2 measly tacos? Even if he ate that for 3 meals a day he'd likely still be eating at a deficit.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
2 tacos? That's sounds like the guy was starving himself. Who would think a man was naturally slim because he ate 2 measly tacos? Even if he ate that for 3 meals a day he'd likely still be eating at a deficit.
I think because people automatically assume fast food = high calories.1 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »
I think because people automatically assume fast food = high calories.
Well certainly tacos can be made at home for less calories than Taco Bell but seriously, 2 tacos for a grown man? He must have had a large sugary soda with it.
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
Yes, another naturally slim person.
But here come the comments - "she's really not eating as much as you think she is eating," or, "she's secretly running five miles a day and not telling you," or, "you don't know how much running around she has to do with that kid."
Denial, denial, denial that there are naturally slim people because they have fast metabolisms.
Yes, that's exactly it...my best friend and I always shared fries for lunch and I was always convinced that she was just naturally smaller but since I've realized that I liked the big fat ones and she liked the little crunchy ones (which have fewer calories and there are far fewer of them). Your friend eats smaller portions than you and probably has one pop a day as she chases around a toddler.
Plus I'll bet her house is always spotless, that takes a lot of work and burns a lot of calories I've learned.
Why are people so desperate to believe it's magic? It's science.7 -
I agree that does sound like a small amount, but depending on his height it could be that his TDEE is just that low.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Well certainly tacos can be made at home for less calories than Taco Bell but seriously, 2 tacos for a grown man? He must have had a large sugary soda with it.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »I agree that does sound like a small amount, but depending on his height it could be that his TDEE is just that low.
He also probably ate *something* at home1 -
eveandqsmom wrote: »
He also probably ate *something* at home
Yeah, after he got home, it's hard to say what he ate, but I do know he was quite fond of drinking lots of beer..
I couldn't see how a grown man could survive on it otherwise, either. I'd be ready to eat the desk if that's all I ate for 12 hours.0 -
My stepfather struggled with being underweight. He ate a lot, but he was very active. You rarely ever saw him sitting except for the first hour he was waking up. He was out doing yard work, splitting wood, biking, etc. he burned off every calorie he ate without trying.1
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@gonetothedogs19 You are actually responsible for managing your own medical problems, with the help of your doctor. If you want your doctor to spend more time discussing lifestyle changes, state that at the beginning of your visit.5
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dragon_girl26 wrote: »
Yeah, after he got home, it's hard to say what he ate, but I do know he was quite fond of drinking lots of beer..
I couldn't see how a grown man could survive on it otherwise, either. I'd be ready to eat the desk if that's all I ate for 12 hours.
Oh, did I misunderstand your previous post? Weren't you saying people thought he was 'naturally slim' because of the Taco Bell meal?1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Oh, did I misunderstand your previous post? Weren't you saying people thought he was 'naturally slim' because of the Taco Bell meal?
It sounds like he ate Taco Bell twice a day - two tacos during his shift, then a "bad" meal for dinner that would look incredibly unhealthy because it was his TDEE minus two tacos.0
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