Are bananas and peanut butter a bad thing?
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brichards_ wrote: »
I can't really say it like my research has said it so I'll try my best. Dairy is the breast milk made for baby cows. It is a natural growth formula for the baby cow. A human isn't really meant to breast feed a growth formula from a cow, if that makes sense. It causes, well, growth, like it does for the baby cow. It also causes constipation and bloating due to the fact that the human body doesn't really like having milk and it's hormones and pus cells in it. Usually people are trying to lose fat on their diets, and dairy is high in fat, such as saturated fat. This can be slightly bad towards weight loss goals, although some fat is necessary to eat of course. Eating healthy fats will be better towards the body. Hopefully this makes a little sense?TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I don't want to sound annoying or pushy but dairy is not good for weightloss, and corn syrup (in a lot of peanut butters) is not healthy. That's my simple way of saying it. Of course she can eat what she wants, but that's my view on them. There's not dairy in either thing she said, I can't recall why I put that but anyways...TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »As long as there is no dairy and no processed sugar or corn syrup then it's just fine!
what happens if any of those things are present....?
why/how is dairy bad for weight loss?
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TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I don't want to sound annoying or pushy but dairy is not good for weightloss, and corn syrup (in a lot of peanut butters) is not healthy. That's my simple way of saying it. Of course she can eat what she wants, but that's my view on them. There's not dairy in either thing she said, I can't recall why I put that but anyways...TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »As long as there is no dairy and no processed sugar or corn syrup then it's just fine!
what happens if any of those things are present....?
why/how is dairy bad for weight loss?
It's not. (For the record, I get your question was rhetorical and that you agree with me. But it makes for a good platform.) ;-)
Once upon a time, when I was still open to more woo-like approaches, I read that dairy was good for weight loss (there was a big study some years ago, not replicated, now they the evidence seems to suggest it's neutral, I believe), and had a big glass of milk with breakfast each day. I lost 65 lbs and got to my lowest weight ever, even though I wasn't counting calories. I eventually stopped drinking milk (I don't really like milk on its own) and ate a lot less cottage cheese and, especially yogurt, and over time regained.
Now I eat lots of greek yogurt and cottage cheese and more ice cream than I used to, and I again am close to my lowest adult weight.
So seems to me it's good for weight loss!
Okay, to be honest, I don't. I think it's neutral -- depends on overall calories. I find dairy more helpful than not but mostly not that important. The idea that it makes you gain beyond the calories it contributes is magical thinking, however, and makes no sense at all.2 -
I have been eating lots of corn lately (I only eat it when it's in season, but there's nothing better than fresh corn, IMO, so I eat tons during the relevant portion of the summer). The past two years I managed to lose (2014) and maintain (2015) while doing this, but clearly that must have been my imagination, because as we all know corn is commonly used to fatten up cattle (marbling, you know), so must be fattening up me.
The differences between humans and cows and calories can't possibly be relevant.
Also, I get some of my cheese from a farm with pygmy goats (a friend and I even went to a farm dinner there and met some goats, they were cute). Can I assume that because these goats are tiny and weigh less than me that this cheese won't be fattening?6 -
I apologize if someone has said this already, I didn't read the whole thread, but while it's better for you than real ice cream, it's still a LOT of carbs and fat. A high quantity of both of those macros combined will cause you to gain weight for sure. I would save that recipe for when you want a treat. It's a healthier dessert, but it's still a dessert
Ps - it's AMAZING with peanut butter and a little honey!0 -
MeganMeCrazy247 wrote: »arditarose wrote: »It's probably more calories than a serving of ice cream. What is your goal with this recipe? Are you trying to find a lower calorie alternative to ice cream, or meet a macro goal? If you weigh a banana, depending on how many grams it is, it can have up to 120 calories. So 3 bananas could be 360 calories right there. 2 tablespoons of PB is 190, if you're have 4....do the math. This is not a low calorie dessert.
I realized that the calories were going to be high, but do you think it's better than eating creamy ice cream? I felt it would have at least less sugar...idk
sounds like a lot of sugar to me.0 -
purple18194 wrote: »I apologize if someone has said this already, I didn't read the whole thread, but while it's better for you than real ice cream, it's still a LOT of carbs and fat. A high quantity of both of those macros combined will cause you to gain weight for sure. I would save that recipe for when you want a treat. It's a healthier dessert, but it's still a dessert
Ps - it's AMAZING with peanut butter and a little honey!
Carbs, fat and protein don't cause you to gain weight unless you are in a calorie surplus.4 -
brichards_ wrote: »
I don't want to sound annoying or pushy but dairy is not good for weightloss, and corn syrup (in a lot of peanut butters) is not healthy. That's my simple way of saying it. Of course she can eat what she wants, but that's my view on them. There's not dairy in either thing she said, I can't recall why I put that but anyways...TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »As long as there is no dairy and no processed sugar or corn syrup then it's just fine!
what happens if any of those things are present....?
Nonsense.
The only thing bad for weight loss is excess calories.
If the dairy thing were true, there wouldn't be overweight vegans or lactose intolerant folks, and if you're on this site for awhile you'll discover quickly that there are plenty of both...
For the record. I eat Greek yougrt, cheese, ice cream nearly every single day, and have lost 85 lbs.
It's great that you found something that works for you, but no need to spread misinformation. Veganism is a wonderful ethical choice, but it is not the magic bullet to weight loss.4 -
frankiesgirl21 wrote: »MeganMeCrazy247 wrote: »arditarose wrote: »It's probably more calories than a serving of ice cream. What is your goal with this recipe? Are you trying to find a lower calorie alternative to ice cream, or meet a macro goal? If you weigh a banana, depending on how many grams it is, it can have up to 120 calories. So 3 bananas could be 360 calories right there. 2 tablespoons of PB is 190, if you're have 4....do the math. This is not a low calorie dessert.
I realized that the calories were going to be high, but do you think it's better than eating creamy ice cream? I felt it would have at least less sugar...idk
sounds like a lot of sugar to me.
What's wrong with that? Not only is sugar not harmful in and of itself, but this is the holiest of high holy sugars: sugar from fruit. Surely the weight gods will smile upon OP and protect them from harm for consuming it.
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You can enter your recipe in the recipe builder to find out the nutrient content, then compare that with the nutrient content of ice cream, and see which is healthier. No need to beat yourself up if you like the bananas etc. They are very high in potassium, which is good when you are exercising/watching salt/ or losing weight. There is no reason to substitute "lite" stuff unless you are trying to cut your calories, but you don't seem to be saying that is your goal. If your goal is to limit cravings for high sugar foods like ice cream, then this recipe should help. The natural sugars in bananas are metabolized more slowly than straight sugar, and the protein and fat in the peanut butter will also help cravings. However, there is nothing magic about peanut butter and bananas to get your complex carbs and fats; drinking milk or eating low fat proteins, and eating fruit, and getting a little extra olive oil daily would accomplish the same thing. Bananas can cause constipation, as can peanut butter. You aren't getting any additional fiber with your banana/peanut butter. Other kinds of fruits are better for fiber. Or you can dip your banana into crumbled high fiber cereal to get more fiber.0
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TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I can't really say it like my research has said it so I'll try my best. Dairy is the breast milk made for baby cows. It is a natural growth formula for the baby cow. A human isn't really meant to breast feed a growth formula from a cow, if that makes sense. It causes, well, growth, like it does for the baby cow. It also causes constipation and bloating due to the fact that the human body doesn't really like having milk and it's hormones and pus cells in it. Usually people are trying to lose fat on their diets, and dairy is high in fat, such as saturated fat. This can be slightly bad towards weight loss goals, although some fat is necessary to eat of course. Eating healthy fats will be better towards the body. Hopefully this makes a little sense?TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I don't want to sound annoying or pushy but dairy is not good for weightloss, and corn syrup (in a lot of peanut butters) is not healthy. That's my simple way of saying it. Of course she can eat what she wants, but that's my view on them. There's not dairy in either thing she said, I can't recall why I put that but anyways...TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »As long as there is no dairy and no processed sugar or corn syrup then it's just fine!
what happens if any of those things are present....?
why/how is dairy bad for weight loss?
so if i drink milk every day and still lose weight, without constipation or bloating... i'm what? a scientific miracle!?
Miracle here too, in copious amounts...80 lbs down...3 -
many people lose weight on it. For me, before I went vegan I lost 20 lbs. but now that I'm vegan, I don't need to diet or do calorie defecit because I'm just eating healthy so it's not about dieting anymore. I can be happy and eat whatever I want if it's plant based and not have to feel guilty.dragon_girl26 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I don't want to sound annoying or pushy but dairy is not good for weightloss, and corn syrup (in a lot of peanut butters) is not healthy. That's my simple way of saying it. Of course she can eat what she wants, but that's my view on them. There's not dairy in either thing she said, I can't recall why I put that but anyways...TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »As long as there is no dairy and no processed sugar or corn syrup then it's just fine!
what happens if any of those things are present....?
Nonsense.
The only thing bad for weight loss is excess calories.
If the dairy thing were true, there wouldn't be overweight vegans or lactose intolerant folks, and if you're on this site for awhile you'll discover quickly that there are plenty of both...
For the record. I eat Greek yougrt, cheese, ice cream nearly every single day, and have lost 85 lbs.
It's great that you found something that works for you, but no need to spread misinformation. Veganism is a wonderful ethical choice, but it is not the magic bullet to weight loss.
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brichards_ wrote: »
many people lose weight on it. For me, before I went vegan I lost 20 lbs. but now that I'm vegan, I don't need to diet or do calorie defecit because I'm just eating healthy so it's not about dieting anymore. I can be happy and eat whatever I want if it's plant based and not have to feel guilty.dragon_girl26 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I don't want to sound annoying or pushy but dairy is not good for weightloss, and corn syrup (in a lot of peanut butters) is not healthy. That's my simple way of saying it. Of course she can eat what she wants, but that's my view on them. There's not dairy in either thing she said, I can't recall why I put that but anyways...TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »As long as there is no dairy and no processed sugar or corn syrup then it's just fine!
what happens if any of those things are present....?
Nonsense.
The only thing bad for weight loss is excess calories.
If the dairy thing were true, there wouldn't be overweight vegans or lactose intolerant folks, and if you're on this site for awhile you'll discover quickly that there are plenty of both...
For the record. I eat Greek yougrt, cheese, ice cream nearly every single day, and have lost 85 lbs.
It's great that you found something that works for you, but no need to spread misinformation. Veganism is a wonderful ethical choice, but it is not the magic bullet to weight loss.
All diets adhere to a calorie deficit to lose weight. It's part of the energy balance equation. And I can assure you, I know just as many overweight vegans as I do with healthy vegans because oreos and chips are vegan.6 -
There are also overweight vegetarians and vegans. It still comes down to calories in/calories out.
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Oreos being vegan makes me happy for every once in a while I need a junk food cookiebrichards_ wrote: »
many people lose weight on it. For me, before I went vegan I lost 20 lbs. but now that I'm vegan, I don't need to diet or do calorie defecit because I'm just eating healthy so it's not about dieting anymore. I can be happy and eat whatever I want if it's plant based and not have to feel guilty.dragon_girl26 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I don't want to sound annoying or pushy but dairy is not good for weightloss, and corn syrup (in a lot of peanut butters) is not healthy. That's my simple way of saying it. Of course she can eat what she wants, but that's my view on them. There's not dairy in either thing she said, I can't recall why I put that but anyways...TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »As long as there is no dairy and no processed sugar or corn syrup then it's just fine!
what happens if any of those things are present....?
Nonsense.
The only thing bad for weight loss is excess calories.
If the dairy thing were true, there wouldn't be overweight vegans or lactose intolerant folks, and if you're on this site for awhile you'll discover quickly that there are plenty of both...
For the record. I eat Greek yougrt, cheese, ice cream nearly every single day, and have lost 85 lbs.
It's great that you found something that works for you, but no need to spread misinformation. Veganism is a wonderful ethical choice, but it is not the magic bullet to weight loss.
All diets adhere to a calorie deficit to lose weight. It's part of the energy balance equation. And I can assure you, I know just as many overweight vegans as I do with healthy vegans because oreos and chips are vegan. of course if you are overeating on veganism you'll gain weight! But it's much easier to stay healthy and feel healthy, especially if you are eating the right amount of calories for your body.
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brichards_ wrote: »
many people lose weight on it. For me, before I went vegan I lost 20 lbs. but now that I'm vegan, I don't need to diet or do calorie defecit because I'm just eating healthy so it's not about dieting anymore. I can be happy and eat whatever I want if it's plant based and not have to feel guilty.dragon_girl26 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I don't want to sound annoying or pushy but dairy is not good for weightloss, and corn syrup (in a lot of peanut butters) is not healthy. That's my simple way of saying it. Of course she can eat what she wants, but that's my view on them. There's not dairy in either thing she said, I can't recall why I put that but anyways...TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »As long as there is no dairy and no processed sugar or corn syrup then it's just fine!
what happens if any of those things are present....?
Nonsense.
The only thing bad for weight loss is excess calories.
If the dairy thing were true, there wouldn't be overweight vegans or lactose intolerant folks, and if you're on this site for awhile you'll discover quickly that there are plenty of both...
For the record. I eat Greek yougrt, cheese, ice cream nearly every single day, and have lost 85 lbs.
It's great that you found something that works for you, but no need to spread misinformation. Veganism is a wonderful ethical choice, but it is not the magic bullet to weight loss.
If you lost weight after becoming vegan, that is because that way of eating created a calorie deficit for you, and that's great! But there are plenty of people who go vegan (or vegetarian) and eat too much and gain weight. Just like the rest of us schmucks eat all the horrible dairy and corn syrup, and still manage to gain weight.
Vegan or vegetarian is a lifestyle and/or health choice, not a weight loss choice. There are fat vegans and skinny carnivores. There are fat omnivores, and skinny vegetarians.
Calories in/out for weight loss
Macros/food source choices - for health, fitness goals, and lifestyle choices
Exercise for fitness and health
And FYI - based on your sudden flurry of posting the same thing in multiple threads - It's great that your moral compass led you to become vegan and you're excited about it. But it's poor form to go around telling people that veganism will help them lose weight because it did for you, and to throw "guilt" into the equation. There are many forum regulars who are long-time vegans, but they are very clear that they lost weight because they ate the right amount of calories, regardless of what they are eating. It never works to try to guilt people into changing the way they live their lives.5 -
it's poor form to go around telling certain people their suggestions are wrong just because maybe you have something against veganism. Sure it's different, but it makes a lot of sense when you do the research, and I know it works for me, so if someone's looking to try something new, I'm giving them MY suggestion from MY account. I don't care if others don't like what worked for me, they don't know how good I feel. Sorry if I'm not this proper account.brichards_ wrote: »
many people lose weight on it. For me, before I went vegan I lost 20 lbs. but now that I'm vegan, I don't need to diet or do calorie defecit because I'm just eating healthy so it's not about dieting anymore. I can be happy and eat whatever I want if it's plant based and not have to feel guilty.dragon_girl26 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I don't want to sound annoying or pushy but dairy is not good for weightloss, and corn syrup (in a lot of peanut butters) is not healthy. That's my simple way of saying it. Of course she can eat what she wants, but that's my view on them. There's not dairy in either thing she said, I can't recall why I put that but anyways...TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »As long as there is no dairy and no processed sugar or corn syrup then it's just fine!
what happens if any of those things are present....?
Nonsense.
The only thing bad for weight loss is excess calories.
If the dairy thing were true, there wouldn't be overweight vegans or lactose intolerant folks, and if you're on this site for awhile you'll discover quickly that there are plenty of both...
For the record. I eat Greek yougrt, cheese, ice cream nearly every single day, and have lost 85 lbs.
It's great that you found something that works for you, but no need to spread misinformation. Veganism is a wonderful ethical choice, but it is not the magic bullet to weight loss.
If you lost weight after becoming vegan, that is because that way of eating created a calorie deficit for you, and that's great! But there are plenty of people who go vegan (or vegetarian) and eat too much and gain weight. Just like the rest of us schmucks eat all the horrible dairy and corn syrup, and still manage to gain weight.
Vegan or vegetarian is a lifestyle and/or health choice, not a weight loss choice. There are fat vegans and skinny carnivores. There are fat omnivores, and skinny vegetarians.
Calories in/out for weight loss
Macros/food source choices - for health, fitness goals, and lifestyle choices
Exercise for fitness and health
And FYI - based on your sudden flurry of posting the same thing in multiple threads - It's great that your moral compass led you to become vegan and you're excited about it. But it's poor form to go around telling people that veganism will help them lose weight because it did for you, and to throw "guilt" into the equation. There are many forum regulars who are long-time vegans, but they are very clear that they lost weight because they ate the right amount of calories, regardless of what they are eating. It never works to try to guilt people into changing the way they live their lives.
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brichards_ wrote: »
it's poor form to go around telling certain people their suggestions are wrong just because maybe you have something against veganism. Sure it's different, but it makes a lot of sense when you do the research, and I know it works for me, so if someone's looking to try something new, I'm giving them MY suggestion from MY account. I don't care if others don't like what worked for me, they don't know how good I feel. Sorry if I'm not this proper account.brichards_ wrote: »
many people lose weight on it. For me, before I went vegan I lost 20 lbs. but now that I'm vegan, I don't need to diet or do calorie defecit because I'm just eating healthy so it's not about dieting anymore. I can be happy and eat whatever I want if it's plant based and not have to feel guilty.dragon_girl26 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I don't want to sound annoying or pushy but dairy is not good for weightloss, and corn syrup (in a lot of peanut butters) is not healthy. That's my simple way of saying it. Of course she can eat what she wants, but that's my view on them. There's not dairy in either thing she said, I can't recall why I put that but anyways...TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »As long as there is no dairy and no processed sugar or corn syrup then it's just fine!
what happens if any of those things are present....?
Nonsense.
The only thing bad for weight loss is excess calories.
If the dairy thing were true, there wouldn't be overweight vegans or lactose intolerant folks, and if you're on this site for awhile you'll discover quickly that there are plenty of both...
For the record. I eat Greek yougrt, cheese, ice cream nearly every single day, and have lost 85 lbs.
It's great that you found something that works for you, but no need to spread misinformation. Veganism is a wonderful ethical choice, but it is not the magic bullet to weight loss.
If you lost weight after becoming vegan, that is because that way of eating created a calorie deficit for you, and that's great! But there are plenty of people who go vegan (or vegetarian) and eat too much and gain weight. Just like the rest of us schmucks eat all the horrible dairy and corn syrup, and still manage to gain weight.
Vegan or vegetarian is a lifestyle and/or health choice, not a weight loss choice. There are fat vegans and skinny carnivores. There are fat omnivores, and skinny vegetarians.
Calories in/out for weight loss
Macros/food source choices - for health, fitness goals, and lifestyle choices
Exercise for fitness and health
And FYI - based on your sudden flurry of posting the same thing in multiple threads - It's great that your moral compass led you to become vegan and you're excited about it. But it's poor form to go around telling people that veganism will help them lose weight because it did for you, and to throw "guilt" into the equation. There are many forum regulars who are long-time vegans, but they are very clear that they lost weight because they ate the right amount of calories, regardless of what they are eating. It never works to try to guilt people into changing the way they live their lives.
I don't have anything against veganism. My best friend since high school is vegan. As I said in another thread, there are several forum regulars who are vegan and I respect the advice they give. I did the research too, multiple times throughout my life so far, and I've seen nothing to suggest that I would be healthier if I was vegan.
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brichards_ wrote: »
it's poor form to go around telling certain people their suggestions are wrong just because maybe you have something against veganism. Sure it's different, but it makes a lot of sense when you do the research, and I know it works for me, so if someone's looking to try something new, I'm giving them MY suggestion from MY account. I don't care if others don't like what worked for me, they don't know how good I feel. Sorry if I'm not this proper account.brichards_ wrote: »
many people lose weight on it. For me, before I went vegan I lost 20 lbs. but now that I'm vegan, I don't need to diet or do calorie defecit because I'm just eating healthy so it's not about dieting anymore. I can be happy and eat whatever I want if it's plant based and not have to feel guilty.dragon_girl26 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I don't want to sound annoying or pushy but dairy is not good for weightloss, and corn syrup (in a lot of peanut butters) is not healthy. That's my simple way of saying it. Of course she can eat what she wants, but that's my view on them. There's not dairy in either thing she said, I can't recall why I put that but anyways...TavistockToad wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »As long as there is no dairy and no processed sugar or corn syrup then it's just fine!
what happens if any of those things are present....?
Nonsense.
The only thing bad for weight loss is excess calories.
If the dairy thing were true, there wouldn't be overweight vegans or lactose intolerant folks, and if you're on this site for awhile you'll discover quickly that there are plenty of both...
For the record. I eat Greek yougrt, cheese, ice cream nearly every single day, and have lost 85 lbs.
It's great that you found something that works for you, but no need to spread misinformation. Veganism is a wonderful ethical choice, but it is not the magic bullet to weight loss.
If you lost weight after becoming vegan, that is because that way of eating created a calorie deficit for you, and that's great! But there are plenty of people who go vegan (or vegetarian) and eat too much and gain weight. Just like the rest of us schmucks eat all the horrible dairy and corn syrup, and still manage to gain weight.
Vegan or vegetarian is a lifestyle and/or health choice, not a weight loss choice. There are fat vegans and skinny carnivores. There are fat omnivores, and skinny vegetarians.
Calories in/out for weight loss
Macros/food source choices - for health, fitness goals, and lifestyle choices
Exercise for fitness and health
And FYI - based on your sudden flurry of posting the same thing in multiple threads - It's great that your moral compass led you to become vegan and you're excited about it. But it's poor form to go around telling people that veganism will help them lose weight because it did for you, and to throw "guilt" into the equation. There are many forum regulars who are long-time vegans, but they are very clear that they lost weight because they ate the right amount of calories, regardless of what they are eating. It never works to try to guilt people into changing the way they live their lives.
You're definitely going around pushing veganism on people in every thread you comment on (just because you say it with a tone of glitter and unicorn flatus doesn't mean you aren't being pushy), and so no, it is not poor form to push back.6
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