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Anyone fail on a bio hacking diet?
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A 3100 TDEE seems about right to me. I'm not gonna lie though, I'm confused as hell on what is going on here. I feel like I'm relatively knowledgeable but this thread makes me feel like a third grader.3
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hamilton8560 wrote: »0331 uscmp sup, so just steady low gi carbs all day worked better for you?
No, I didn't even pay attention to GI because the GI ratings of foods are impacted by portion size and things you eat them with. I ignored all that clean eating, carb cycling, gi, meal timing bullcrap and just ate in whatever way made me full and happy. I counted calories still, but basically tried to hit protein and ensure fat wasn't too low (mostly for my joints and old injuries). Worked pretty well, I took first in women's heavyweight.8 -
I'm a competitive bodybuilder and what you are saying you do is basically a carb and calorie cycling plan. I did that my first show and my second show I just sort of ate normally. The cycling method wasn't superior for results.
ETA: My gym performance was far better when I wasn't gorging one day and restricting carbs for a few days. Helped me come in looking fuller and more striated.
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dumbbell press is fine carlos if you dont experience shoulder pain0
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hamilton8560 wrote: »Theyre synergist in a lot of movements which is sufficient. If i was a baseball pitcher that would be different. Check my logs for the plan, psulemon youre the type im really trying to appeal to, so theres no course of action to reach you on this?
How can you appeal to me, when you haven't even provided a foundation of what you are trying to achieve or how biohacking will provide me that my current plan isn't. From the few blurbs of the articles I saw, the science is not strong at all. It's over complicated and won't provide any additional results as compared to what I am doing.8 -
hamilton8560 wrote: »Yea i mean im anti calorie deficit is the thing, i think i can ramp up to 4000 calories and 6000 on refeeds, still without cardio and only one hour workout days. So if i do that using this bizarre system, would it interest you guys?
As something to do? No.
Just as something? Maybe, if I had some check on the counting/consumption, but I don't believe your starting TDEE was 1900 -- that would be quite unusual for a 20-something male who works out an hour a day, as I said, and is not consistent with the current claimed TDEE (which is about right, as others have pointed out). Also, there aren't any studies that support such a thing.Im trying to kick calorie counting to the curb entirely.
But it seems that you ARE counting.
I have a natural reaction against any idea that we can manipulate the body to permit consumption of excess calories that aren't actually used by the body somehow, that if we are really rigid in things like macros or timing (or both) that you can eat more calories. IMO, there's no inherent benefit to being able to put on paper that I consumed more calories. My preference is to simply focus on nutrition and things like performance and energy level. With that aim I have played around with nutrient timing and fasted cardio (I think both have some role to play), but as soon as it gets overly complicated I'm out. One reason I like eating a healthful diet and exercising is that if I do that and am just minimally mindful I can get away without logging or counting.
I am counting now since I'm trying to get myself to keep a deficit and take off a few more lbs, and also because I'm interested in experimenting with a few different ways of eating (nothing complicated) mostly just for fun and to see if there are any meaningful effects on performance/energy/overall well-being. But I don't think I can jack my TDEE by doing that -- again, no credible studies support such a claim -- and I'm not particularly interested in doing that. My activity level allows for an adequate calorie intake for someone of my size.
I admit that part of my issue is that I think people like Dave Aspery tend to the scammy. There are people into self-experimentation (which is different in my mind from "biohacking" who I find less off-putting and I'm all for N=1 experiments if you find them motivating.)0 -
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A lot of words but all I really get out of it is that someone ate at a calorie deficit and/or around maintenance and lifted. Just a looooong confusing way of doing it? Bout right?4 -
Yea youre right man its only about calories. Im sure mesomorphs can appreciate that when you tell them eat less, exercise more and nothing happens0
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Reminds me of my husband... Starts the conversation in the middle and expects you to know what he is talking about.
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hamilton8560 wrote: »Yea youre right man its only about calories. Im sure mesomorphs can appreciate that when you tell them eat less, exercise more and nothing happens
You know somatotypes were debunked, right? A psychologist looked at people and categorized them based on how they made him feel. When metabolic testing was done it showed that "endomorphs" eat more calories than they need and naturally don't move much during the day, "ectomorphs" don't eat as much as they think they do and they move a lot more than most people.
I thought I was an endo, but really I was lazy and liked food.8 -
hamilton8560 wrote: »Yea i mean im anti calorie deficit is the thing
Is that like an "anti-temperature" thing to tell you what the weather is like outside?1 -
hamilton8560 wrote: »Lets say if i get on stage in 2 months continuing to progressively smash more and more donuts can you guys agree to allow my personal success to be held above the standard of broscience?
Serious question: do you know what broscience is/means? The line I quoted leads me to believe the answer is, "no."
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So do you have any success in fitness or what0
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Was that question for me? LOL
If so, does Lyle McDonald?0 -
Is this person speaking English?2
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hamilton8560 wrote: »So do you have any success in fitness or what
Who? Everyone on this thread or a specific person? How do you define success?
I've competed in two bodybuilding competitions and took first in women's heavy weight at the second one (natural, drug tested). I also hold a world record for deadlift in a natural federation. My food diary probably looks horrible to the general population, but I'm poor and do what I can as cheap as possible. Still definitely would call myself a success.
To add: I started this out after having two kids and I was obese. My highest weight was 250 pounds. None of this is natural to me, I've worked hard at it.14 -
I'm against anything that has the word "hack" in it.5
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hamilton8560 wrote: »So do you have any success in fitness or what
I'm doing alright.7 -
hamilton8560 wrote: »Yea youre right man its only about calories. Im sure mesomorphs can appreciate that when you tell them eat less, exercise more and nothing happens
You're going old school right there.1 -
enterdanger wrote: »I'm against anything that has the word "hack" in it.
What about Whack-a-mole?5 -
hamilton8560 wrote: »dumbbell press is fine carlos if you dont experience shoulder pain
While compound pushing and pulling movements will recruit the rotator cuff muscles, it is still advisable to target them specifically. This is not only good for injury prevention but can also strengthen the "weakest link" of your compound movements, allowing you to lift more.
And uh...the answer to shoulder pain is not to do more shoulder work.3 -
hamilton8560 wrote: »So do you have any success in fitness or what
Most of us in this thread have had quite a bit. To whom are you referring?0 -
Does 50 lbs lost count as success?3
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OK, I LOL'd at that one.0
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enterdanger wrote: »I'm against anything that has the word "hack" in it.
What about Whack-a-mole?
nope. brings back bad memories of playing that at the boardwalk and always losing to my sister who excelled at whacking their little plastic heads. And the only time I actually won...my prize was a plastic cup.. So lame.
@breezedoveal I might be ok with that if the Donald's tax returns were really made public.0
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