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Anyone fail on a bio hacking diet?
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hamilton8560 wrote: »Yea i mean im anti calorie deficit is the thing, i think i can ramp up to 4000 calories and 6000 on refeeds, still without cardio and only one hour workout days. So if i do that using this bizarre system, would it interest you guys? Im trying to kick calorie counting to the curb entirely. I have over 100 days logged on this stuff. It seems hostile from you guys so far but i am testing out stuff and as evidence of me being fat prior to the summer we cant assume i have freak natural genetics. If i get on stage without ever doing a cutting or bulking phase because of this am i changing anyones opinion at all?
I doubt you will change opinions on hacks because very little can actually influence metabolism. Exercise will provide temporarily increase metabolism and muscle will increase it, but outside of that, most of what is described in biohacking is a joke.4 -
hamilton8560 wrote: »Yea i mean im anti calorie deficit is the thing, i think i can ramp up to 4000 calories and 6000 on refeeds, still without cardio and only one hour workout days. So if i do that using this bizarre system, would it interest you guys? Im trying to kick calorie counting to the curb entirely. I have over 100 days logged on this stuff. It seems hostile from you guys so far but i am testing out stuff and as evidence of me being fat prior to the summer we cant assume i have freak natural genetics. If i get on stage without ever doing a cutting or bulking phase because of this am i changing anyones opinion at all?
Doctors hate him! Lose fat following these 3 simple steps*
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hamilton8560 wrote: »Yea i mean im anti calorie deficit is the thing, i think i can ramp up to 4000 calories and 6000 on refeeds, still without cardio and only one hour workout days. So if i do that using this bizarre system, would it interest you guys? Im trying to kick calorie counting to the curb entirely. I have over 100 days logged on this stuff. It seems hostile from you guys so far but i am testing out stuff and as evidence of me being fat prior to the summer we cant assume i have freak natural genetics. If i get on stage without ever doing a cutting or bulking phase because of this am i changing anyones opinion at all?
You're eating 2,200-2,600 calories 5 days per week and 4,000-5,000 the other two days. That's 3100 calories average for the week. That's not magical, that's easily close to your TDEE. Your eating in a deficit most the week with 2 days higher intake. Lots of people do that on accident here. You're not impacting hormones enough dieting for 3 days and then binge eating to think that it's magic.11 -
Theyre synergist in a lot of movements which is sufficient. If i was a baseball pitcher that would be different. Check my logs for the plan, psulemon youre the type im really trying to appeal to, so theres no course of action to reach you on this?0
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I'm a competitive bodybuilder and what you are saying you do is basically a carb and calorie cycling plan. I did that my first show and my second show I just sort of ate normally. The cycling method wasn't superior for results.
ETA: My gym performance was far better when I wasn't gorging one day and restricting carbs for a few days. Helped me come in looking fuller and more striated.5 -
hamilton8560 wrote: »Isolating the soleus? For what? Stored in the mitochandria thats a negative being burned as a calorie does not mean being utilized, so not whole lot of fact present.
1) The Soleus is not a hidden muscle. Proper attention to it enhances the look of the calf overall. Standing movements don't give it it's proper due.
2) I never said that the carnitine was for the fish oil. You made that connection yourself. I also said that I was putting forward a legitimate synopsis of my approach. I was just throwing out random ramblings to illustrate how incoherent your posts were.
3) The mitochondria don't store fat. Do you even science bro?7 -
hamilton8560 wrote: »Of course we got some side comments about a guy wanting swoll soleus muscles which is funny
Not sure how anything could be a "side comment" in this variety show...2 -
0331 uscmp sup, so just steady low gi carbs all day worked better for you?0
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hamilton8560 wrote: »Hey carlos while ure at it give rotator cuffs and pec minor its own day to get jacked...
I do internal and external rotations at the end of shoulder day. They don't need their own day but they are important for injury prevention.0 -
A 3100 TDEE seems about right to me. I'm not gonna lie though, I'm confused as hell on what is going on here. I feel like I'm relatively knowledgeable but this thread makes me feel like a third grader.3
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hamilton8560 wrote: »0331 uscmp sup, so just steady low gi carbs all day worked better for you?
No, I didn't even pay attention to GI because the GI ratings of foods are impacted by portion size and things you eat them with. I ignored all that clean eating, carb cycling, gi, meal timing bullcrap and just ate in whatever way made me full and happy. I counted calories still, but basically tried to hit protein and ensure fat wasn't too low (mostly for my joints and old injuries). Worked pretty well, I took first in women's heavyweight.8 -
I'm a competitive bodybuilder and what you are saying you do is basically a carb and calorie cycling plan. I did that my first show and my second show I just sort of ate normally. The cycling method wasn't superior for results.
ETA: My gym performance was far better when I wasn't gorging one day and restricting carbs for a few days. Helped me come in looking fuller and more striated.
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dumbbell press is fine carlos if you dont experience shoulder pain0
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hamilton8560 wrote: »Theyre synergist in a lot of movements which is sufficient. If i was a baseball pitcher that would be different. Check my logs for the plan, psulemon youre the type im really trying to appeal to, so theres no course of action to reach you on this?
How can you appeal to me, when you haven't even provided a foundation of what you are trying to achieve or how biohacking will provide me that my current plan isn't. From the few blurbs of the articles I saw, the science is not strong at all. It's over complicated and won't provide any additional results as compared to what I am doing.8 -
hamilton8560 wrote: »Yea i mean im anti calorie deficit is the thing, i think i can ramp up to 4000 calories and 6000 on refeeds, still without cardio and only one hour workout days. So if i do that using this bizarre system, would it interest you guys?
As something to do? No.
Just as something? Maybe, if I had some check on the counting/consumption, but I don't believe your starting TDEE was 1900 -- that would be quite unusual for a 20-something male who works out an hour a day, as I said, and is not consistent with the current claimed TDEE (which is about right, as others have pointed out). Also, there aren't any studies that support such a thing.Im trying to kick calorie counting to the curb entirely.
But it seems that you ARE counting.
I have a natural reaction against any idea that we can manipulate the body to permit consumption of excess calories that aren't actually used by the body somehow, that if we are really rigid in things like macros or timing (or both) that you can eat more calories. IMO, there's no inherent benefit to being able to put on paper that I consumed more calories. My preference is to simply focus on nutrition and things like performance and energy level. With that aim I have played around with nutrient timing and fasted cardio (I think both have some role to play), but as soon as it gets overly complicated I'm out. One reason I like eating a healthful diet and exercising is that if I do that and am just minimally mindful I can get away without logging or counting.
I am counting now since I'm trying to get myself to keep a deficit and take off a few more lbs, and also because I'm interested in experimenting with a few different ways of eating (nothing complicated) mostly just for fun and to see if there are any meaningful effects on performance/energy/overall well-being. But I don't think I can jack my TDEE by doing that -- again, no credible studies support such a claim -- and I'm not particularly interested in doing that. My activity level allows for an adequate calorie intake for someone of my size.
I admit that part of my issue is that I think people like Dave Aspery tend to the scammy. There are people into self-experimentation (which is different in my mind from "biohacking" who I find less off-putting and I'm all for N=1 experiments if you find them motivating.)0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »
A lot of words but all I really get out of it is that someone ate at a calorie deficit and/or around maintenance and lifted. Just a looooong confusing way of doing it? Bout right?4 -
Yea youre right man its only about calories. Im sure mesomorphs can appreciate that when you tell them eat less, exercise more and nothing happens0
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