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Anyone fail on a bio hacking diet?

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  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    A 3100 TDEE seems about right to me. I'm not gonna lie though, I'm confused as hell on what is going on here. I feel like I'm relatively knowledgeable but this thread makes me feel like a third grader.
  • zyxst
    zyxst Posts: 9,149 Member
    usmcmp wrote: »
    I'm a competitive bodybuilder and what you are saying you do is basically a carb and calorie cycling plan. I did that my first show and my second show I just sort of ate normally. The cycling method wasn't superior for results.

    ETA: My gym performance was far better when I wasn't gorging one day and restricting carbs for a few days. Helped me come in looking fuller and more striated.

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  • hamilton8560
    hamilton8560 Posts: 61 Member
    dumbbell press is fine carlos if you dont experience shoulder pain
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited August 2016
    Yea i mean im anti calorie deficit is the thing, i think i can ramp up to 4000 calories and 6000 on refeeds, still without cardio and only one hour workout days. So if i do that using this bizarre system, would it interest you guys?

    As something to do? No.

    Just as something? Maybe, if I had some check on the counting/consumption, but I don't believe your starting TDEE was 1900 -- that would be quite unusual for a 20-something male who works out an hour a day, as I said, and is not consistent with the current claimed TDEE (which is about right, as others have pointed out). Also, there aren't any studies that support such a thing.
    Im trying to kick calorie counting to the curb entirely.

    But it seems that you ARE counting.

    I have a natural reaction against any idea that we can manipulate the body to permit consumption of excess calories that aren't actually used by the body somehow, that if we are really rigid in things like macros or timing (or both) that you can eat more calories. IMO, there's no inherent benefit to being able to put on paper that I consumed more calories. My preference is to simply focus on nutrition and things like performance and energy level. With that aim I have played around with nutrient timing and fasted cardio (I think both have some role to play), but as soon as it gets overly complicated I'm out. One reason I like eating a healthful diet and exercising is that if I do that and am just minimally mindful I can get away without logging or counting.

    I am counting now since I'm trying to get myself to keep a deficit and take off a few more lbs, and also because I'm interested in experimenting with a few different ways of eating (nothing complicated) mostly just for fun and to see if there are any meaningful effects on performance/energy/overall well-being. But I don't think I can jack my TDEE by doing that -- again, no credible studies support such a claim -- and I'm not particularly interested in doing that. My activity level allows for an adequate calorie intake for someone of my size.

    I admit that part of my issue is that I think people like Dave Aspery tend to the scammy. There are people into self-experimentation (which is different in my mind from "biohacking" who I find less off-putting and I'm all for N=1 experiments if you find them motivating.)
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    A 3100 TDEE seems about right to me. I'm not gonna lie though, I'm confused as hell on what is going on here. I feel like I'm relatively knowledgeable but this thread makes me feel like a third grader.

    Don't worry. You're not the one who doesn't get it.

    A lot of words but all I really get out of it is that someone ate at a calorie deficit and/or around maintenance and lifted. Just a looooong confusing way of doing it? Bout right?
  • hamilton8560
    hamilton8560 Posts: 61 Member
    edited August 2016
    Yea youre right man its only about calories. Im sure mesomorphs can appreciate that when you tell them eat less, exercise more and nothing happens
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  • pdm3547
    pdm3547 Posts: 1,057 Member
    Yea i mean im anti calorie deficit is the thing

    Is that like an "anti-temperature" thing to tell you what the weather is like outside?
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    Lets say if i get on stage in 2 months continuing to progressively smash more and more donuts can you guys agree to allow my personal success to be held above the standard of broscience?

    Serious question: do you know what broscience is/means? The line I quoted leads me to believe the answer is, "no."

  • hamilton8560
    hamilton8560 Posts: 61 Member
    So do you have any success in fitness or what
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    Was that question for me? LOL

    If so, does Lyle McDonald?
  • annaskiski
    annaskiski Posts: 1,212 Member
    Is this person speaking English?
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    edited August 2016
    Yea youre right man its only about calories. Im sure mesomorphs can appreciate that when you tell them eat less, exercise more and nothing happens

    You're going old school right there.
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    dumbbell press is fine carlos if you dont experience shoulder pain

    While compound pushing and pulling movements will recruit the rotator cuff muscles, it is still advisable to target them specifically. This is not only good for injury prevention but can also strengthen the "weakest link" of your compound movements, allowing you to lift more.

    And uh...the answer to shoulder pain is not to do more shoulder work.
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    So do you have any success in fitness or what

    Most of us in this thread have had quite a bit. To whom are you referring?
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,428 MFP Moderator
    Does 50 lbs lost count as success?
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  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    OK, I LOL'd at that one.
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  • enterdanger
    enterdanger Posts: 2,447 Member
    TR0berts wrote: »
    I'm against anything that has the word "hack" in it.

    What about Whack-a-mole?

    nope. brings back bad memories of playing that at the boardwalk and always losing to my sister who excelled at whacking their little plastic heads. And the only time I actually won...my prize was a plastic cup.. So lame.

    @breezedoveal I might be ok with that if the Donald's tax returns were really made public.