If it's all in the math, why did I gain?

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  • SCoil123
    SCoil123 Posts: 2,111 Member
    OP my weight fluctuates 3-4lbs every day depending on when I weigh, what Ive eaten, TOM, and other variables. I do not believe you gained 1lb of actual fat that fast. You are seeing a normal fluctuation on the scale.
  • Tacklewasher
    Tacklewasher Posts: 7,122 Member
    You may want to invest in a food scale. It's too easy to underestimate food portions without. Even measuring is not as good as a scale. Example (that kinda ticks me off) is Quaker Harvest crunch. It lists calories for 2/3 cup (45 grams). So I was eating 1 cup thinking I was eating ~70 grams and counting calories that way. When I got a scale, I weighed it and 1 cup was 97 grams, so substantially more calories every day I was eating this.

    On another note, I'm glad to see the rubbish suggestions get called out so quickly here. Focus on CICO, eat at whatever time suits you and be patient. As a guy, I still see fluctuations and don't have that TOM to deal with (except the wife's).
  • Colt1835
    Colt1835 Posts: 447 Member
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    LINIA wrote: »
    #Nkuyumcu

    CICO isn't the one true answer, many people on this forum will not accept that---you may need to try something else to lose any extra weight.
    Spme ppl try a modified IF---they eat nothing before 11am and have an 11am-7pm eating window, or even stop at 5pm. Not sure what is best for you but if you're determined, you'll find something.
    GL

    CICO isn't a "diet" , "way of eating" or an approach to weight loss. It's a fundamental mathematical equation that describes the energy balance that all of us are governed by.

    IF is an approach to manipulating your eating within a certain window which largely comes down to a preference for how people like to take in the energy (CI) part of the equation. Being successful with IF doesn't invalidate CICO. It just is an individualized approach to CI.

    I don't think the person you quoted was implying that CICO is not at work during IF. I took it as them saying that counting calories doesn't work for everyone. I truly believe that counting calories does not work for everyone, simply because of calculating CICO wrong. Although, your reply was helpful in clarifying that CICO is the true reason for success whether one counts or not. Some people are simply rubbish at counting and the nutrition facts on most products are way more complicated than they have to be.
  • joowelz
    joowelz Posts: 172 Member
    Hi all - yes i am weighing my meals and logging calories. Also eating back half of exercise calories. Period started today so will see what scale says next Tuesday. I weigh myself weekly only. Thx to all.
  • LINIA
    LINIA Posts: 1,153 Member
    CICO is not the answer for everyone and it will never be, there is a GENETIC predisposition to be obese:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/health/americans-obesity-willpower-genetics-study.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/health&action=click&contentCollection=health&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0
  • crzycatlady1
    crzycatlady1 Posts: 1,930 Member
    sijomial wrote: »
    I just gained 1lb in a couple of minutes - a big refreshing glass of zero calorie water.

    Get used to weight fluctuations now or maintenance at goal weight will be miserable! Maybe try one of the weight trending apps to understand the causes and patterns of your fluctuations?

    I'm several years into maintenance and my weight can fluctuate by up to 5lbs on any given day-it's wild lol.
  • MommyMeggo
    MommyMeggo Posts: 1,222 Member
    edited November 2016
    LINIA wrote: »
    CICO is not the answer for everyone and it will never be, there is a GENETIC predisposition to be obese:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/health/americans-obesity-willpower-genetics-study.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/health&action=click&contentCollection=health&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0

    .... paid for by the American Society for Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery.

    Thats like a treadmill company funding a study of 1500 people who only lost weight when they started walking....on treadmills.

    *Added: Correction: November 1, 2016
    An earlier version of this article misstated two of the study’s findings. The research found that Americans believe obesity is now tied with cancer as the most serious health issue facing the nation; they do not see it as a bigger risk than cancer. And 68 percent of respondents said it was riskier — not safer — to remain obese than to have weight loss surgery.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    Raptor2763 wrote: »
    Two points: (a) What you eat is important, how much is key, but WHEN is equally critical. Try and space your meals and snacks about 2-1/2 hours apart and don't go to bed until dinner is at least 3 hours in the rearview mirror. (b) Don't eat your exercise calories. Just because your calorie budget went up because of exercise doesn't mean you can eat them back. To lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit - try for about a 25% calorie deficit, bearing in mind the three W's I previously mentioned, and you should see results in a couple days.

    Nope.

    OP, I concur with everyone else in this thread who has said water weight.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Raptor2763 wrote: »
    Two points: (a) What you eat is important, how much is key, but WHEN is equally critical. Try and space your meals and snacks about 2-1/2 hours apart and don't go to bed until dinner is at least 3 hours in the rearview mirror. (b) Don't eat your exercise calories. Just because your calorie budget went up because of exercise doesn't mean you can eat them back. To lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit - try for about a 25% calorie deficit, bearing in mind the three W's I previously mentioned, and you should see results in a couple days.

    When you eat is completely irrelevant for all but competitive athletes/bodybuilders. For the average dieter/fitness minded individual, it makes no difference whatsoever.

    Cool! I'm gonna eat in 2017 and 2019 but not at all during 2018. I'm not a body builder.
  • MommyMeggo
    MommyMeggo Posts: 1,222 Member
    NorthCascades wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Raptor2763 wrote: »
    Two points: (a) What you eat is important, how much is key, but WHEN is equally critical. Try and space your meals and snacks about 2-1/2 hours apart and don't go to bed until dinner is at least 3 hours in the rearview mirror. (b) Don't eat your exercise calories. Just because your calorie budget went up because of exercise doesn't mean you can eat them back. To lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit - try for about a 25% calorie deficit, bearing in mind the three W's I previously mentioned, and you should see results in a couple days.

    When you eat is completely irrelevant for all but competitive athletes/bodybuilders. For the average dieter/fitness minded individual, it makes no difference whatsoever.

    Cool! I'm gonna eat in 2017 and 2019 but not at all during 2018. I'm not a body builder.

    Welp...timing is everything, so.
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    NorthCascades wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Raptor2763 wrote: »
    Two points: (a) What you eat is important, how much is key, but WHEN is equally critical. Try and space your meals and snacks about 2-1/2 hours apart and don't go to bed until dinner is at least 3 hours in the rearview mirror. (b) Don't eat your exercise calories. Just because your calorie budget went up because of exercise doesn't mean you can eat them back. To lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit - try for about a 25% calorie deficit, bearing in mind the three W's I previously mentioned, and you should see results in a couple days.

    When you eat is completely irrelevant for all but competitive athletes/bodybuilders. For the average dieter/fitness minded individual, it makes no difference whatsoever.

    Cool! I'm gonna eat in 2017 and 2019 but not at all during 2018. I'm not a body builder.

    Touche?
  • lemayinc
    lemayinc Posts: 6 Member
    TavistockToad wrote: »
    lemayinc wrote: »
    It also depends on WHAT you ate, not just how much you ate. If you ate a bunch of fat or sugar, that will convert to additional weight more quickly unless you're offsetting with exercise (although you said you're doing that). My best advice is to NOT weigh every day, just once a week and when you have a bad day or days, re-focus on your goal and move forward. Sometimes you'll gain pounds, but lose inches, especially when you're working out!! It's not all about calories and the number on the scale. It's about building lean muscle mass, looking good and most importantly - FEELING GOOD!!

    Load of rubbish! Ignore this OP

  • SusanMFindlay
    SusanMFindlay Posts: 1,766 Member
    edited November 2016
    lemayinc wrote: »
    How is this rubbish?? I lost 84 lbs so I'm pretty sure I know a little bit about it, I'm talking hard earned knowledge here, not BOOK knowledge or what "the experts" say. I often lost inches, not numbers on the scale & actually gained numbers on the scale when I started to build lean muscle mass!!! Not to mention that I'm just trying to help!! If what I say is different than what you believe....so what?? You don't have to be a dick about it, I'm just trying to encourage someone who's struggling & asking for ideas. How about promoting what you think is right & not bashing what you don't believe to be true? Have a great day!!!!

    In fairness, the only problematic part of your original post was the part about "fat and sugar quickly turning into fat". Foods high in fat and sugar tend to be high calorie for low satiety, but there's no magic that turns them into fat any faster than any other food (other than the "convince you to eat more food" factor).

    The rest of your advice was fine (though I personally do better weighing daily to numb myself to fluctuations).
  • savithny
    savithny Posts: 1,200 Member
    "A pint's a pound the world around."

    Retaining just 2 cups of additional fluids in your tissues will make you gain a pound.

    The math holds at the macro level, not the micro level. Over time, the math works out when viewed "from above." But human bodies are complicated and while you're observing it moment by moment "on the ground," you're going to see variations. LOTS of variations.

    Relax about the single data points and pay attention to the longer term trends.
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,487 Member
    lemayinc wrote: »
    How is this rubbish?? I lost 84 lbs so I'm pretty sure I know a little bit about it, I'm talking hard earned knowledge here, not BOOK knowledge or what "the experts" say. I often lost inches, not numbers on the scale & actually gained numbers on the scale when I started to build lean muscle mass!!! Not to mention that I'm just trying to help!! If what I say is different than what you believe....so what?? You don't have to be a dick about it, I'm just trying to encourage someone who's struggling & asking for ideas. How about promoting what you think is right & not bashing what you don't believe to be true? Have a great day!!!!

    Everything in your first post is wrong and not the right advice for this particular situation.

    Not even sure where you got this sugar stuff from, and also not weighing every day.. and I guess everyone should refocus to what you do.. sorry but no.

  • stealthq
    stealthq Posts: 4,298 Member
    CattOfTheGarage wrote: »
    savithny wrote: »
    "A pint's a pound the world around."

    I've never heard this phrase. It puzzles me. A pint of water (568ml, weighing 568g) weighs considerably more than a pound (454g).

    How about "A litre's a kilo, however you feel-o"?

    g/lb = 453.59237 (please excuse the obnoxious precision)

    One cup (liquid measure) = 8 fl oz = 235ml = 235g

    x2 for 470g

    Not exactly a lb, but close enough for a legitimate folk-saying
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,561 Member
    Stress. When sympathetic nervous system is the driver, you could actually gain weight in a supposed deficit.

    /ShotsfiredCICOpeeps
  • CurlyCockney
    CurlyCockney Posts: 1,394 Member
    stealthq wrote: »
    CattOfTheGarage wrote: »
    savithny wrote: »
    "A pint's a pound the world around."

    I've never heard this phrase. It puzzles me. A pint of water (568ml, weighing 568g) weighs considerably more than a pound (454g).

    How about "A litre's a kilo, however you feel-o"?

    g/lb = 453.59237 (please excuse the obnoxious precision)

    One cup (liquid measure) = 8 fl oz = 235ml = 235g

    x2 for 470g

    Not exactly a lb, but close enough for a legitimate folk-saying

    UK pint is 568ml, so I'm going with Catt's phrase!
  • dbanks80
    dbanks80 Posts: 3,685 Member
    Raptor2763 wrote: »
    Two points: (a) What you eat is important, how much is key, but WHEN is equally critical. Try and space your meals and snacks about 2-1/2 hours apart and don't go to bed until dinner is at least 3 hours in the rearview mirror. (b) Don't eat your exercise calories. Just because your calorie budget went up because of exercise doesn't mean you can eat them back. To lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit - try for about a 25% calorie deficit, bearing in mind the three W's I previously mentioned, and you should see results in a couple days.

    This sounds like a bunch of HOOPLA!
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    CurlyCockney wrote: »
    stealthq wrote: »
    CattOfTheGarage wrote: »
    savithny wrote: »
    "A pint's a pound the world around."

    I've never heard this phrase. It puzzles me. A pint of water (568ml, weighing 568g) weighs considerably more than a pound (454g).

    How about "A litre's a kilo, however you feel-o"?

    g/lb = 453.59237 (please excuse the obnoxious precision)

    One cup (liquid measure) = 8 fl oz = 235ml = 235g

    x2 for 470g

    Not exactly a lb, but close enough for a legitimate folk-saying

    UK pint is 568ml, so I'm going with Catt's phrase!

    So if you order a pint in the UK you get an extra 3 ounces of beer than if you got a pint in the US (16 oz vs 19oz)
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