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Flu shots? For them or against ?
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the flu shot is just a guess as to the vaccine...no guarantees. I dont get them, never have and am not planning on it. Have not had the flu in over 30 years...I must be doing something right1
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Dnarules wrote:the shot is not 100% effective, but usually you will get a milder case in that situation. My daughter got the flu a few years back even though she had been vaccinated, but it was fairly mild.
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billglitch wrote: »the flu shot is just a guess as to the vaccine...no guarantees. I dont get them, never have and am not planning on it. Have not had the flu in over 30 years...I must be doing something right
You're speaking from a position of ignorance. Please do some reading on how the flu shot works, what it protects against, and what it does not protect against before you speak authoritatively on the subject.4 -
Fuzzipeg wrote:What is the medium the jab is cultured on? mostly egg white.
Next objection?
.Fuzzipeg wrote:Many of this kind of intervention use mercury as a preservative? Can't they find anything better?
When using the multi-dose vials, the preservative is there to prevent people being infected with nasty things like fungus & bacteria. Thimerosol is not the bad form of mercury that builds up in the body & causes nerve problems.
Most childhood vaccines don't use thimerosol any more anyway.
Here are some informational pages:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.html
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6430a3.htm#Tab.
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OneHundredToLose wrote: »billglitch wrote: »the flu shot is just a guess as to the vaccine...no guarantees. I dont get them, never have and am not planning on it. Have not had the flu in over 30 years...I must be doing something right
You're speaking from a position of ignorance. Please do some reading on how the flu shot works, what it protects against, and what it does not protect against before you speak authoritatively on the subject.
really? so they know exactly what strain is coming? NO they dont. Never said i was an authority...i gave my opinion and I thought thats what this was about. So take your arrogant crap and move on
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote:the vaccine only covers like 4 strains and they are all the previous years strains. so anyone still can get the flu and pass it on to others.
The number of strains varies by year, and yes, it's possible some unvaccinated traveler could bring any strain into the US (being a carrier while asymptomatic before developing the illness).
I'd rather take my chances on blocking the most likely strains instead of being completely vulnerable.
.it also takes the vaccine 2 weeks to become effective as well. so in those 2 weeks you can still get those strains.
What's your point? Get vaccinated as early as possible?
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Justimagine wrote:if the vaccine could be administered through a qtip in my ear or a sugar cube drizzed with it... I am all over it. Otherwise, forget about it.
But the shot is pretty much painless, and if the arm is sore it's not very & not for long.
Compared to being laid out with the flu (or dead), that's nothing.
If you can't take having a shot, you can't take dealing with the flu.
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ryry wrote:We are about to put up the 'Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200' sign on anyone who wants to hold or touch Eli who is not vaccinated.
So maybe require showing the receipt from the pharmacy or wherever they got the vaccination, with their name on it?
One of the facebook groups I follow is pro-science, pro-vaccine, and regularly mocks the stupidity and even downright evilness of the anti-vaccine people, as seen in screenshots from a variety of anti-science & anti-vaccine facebook groups.
Very very very very regularly the echo chambers advise each other to lie to people like you, as well as doctors & school officials, who are concerned for public health & even (as in your case) the newborn baby.
So they will claim to have gotten whatever vaccine is being inquired about, even when they really haven't, and they are putting others around them at risk.
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cqbkaju wrote:Lowering your immune system for a chance of immunity to the wrong strain just makes you more susceptible to other things while your body develops resistance to that strain.
(Though if it's working on something serious, yes, its response to new challenges will be less / slower... a good reason to get immunized, teach it to recognize a disease instead of having to fight it with no preparation.)
You're exposed to lots of allergens every day, possibly dozens depending on what's blooming or shedding or where you walk, etc.
.The flu isn't like measles or polio.
You'll live if you catch the flu and your quality of life will not be impacted for the long-term.
Maybe if you are elderly, etc. it is more dangerous to catch the flu, but I am talking about myself now.
Part of what made the 1918 pandemic (which hit 1/3 of the population of the planet and killed more than 2.5%, compared to less than 0.1% in a normal pre-vaccine flu season) so dangerous is that it killed otherwise healthy people in the prime of life.
"age-specific death rates in the 1918 pandemic exhibited a distinct pattern that has not been documented before or since:
a "W-shaped" curve, similar to the familiar U-shaped curve but with the addition of a third (middle) distinct peak of deaths in young adults ≈20–40 years of age.
Influenza and pneumonia death rates for those 15–34 years of age in 1918–1919, for example, were >20 times higher than in previous years.
Overall, nearly half of the influenza-related deaths in the 1918 pandemic were in young adults 20–40 years of age, a phenomenon unique to that pandemic year.
The 1918 pandemic is also unique among influenza pandemics in that absolute risk of influenza death was higher in those <65 years of age than in those >65; persons <65 years of age accounted for >99% of all excess influenza-related deaths in 1918–1919."
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-0979_article4 -
Aaron_K wrote:I view it as a civic duty. Unless I have a very good reason to not get one I get one and to date I haven't had a good reason to not get one. I have medical insurance so its 100% free, so why wouldn't I?
With everything its a cost::benefit analysis
Cost: No money. No risk of illness (other posters are right you cannot get sick from a flu vaccine).
Benefit: Possibly avoid the flu yourself. Avoid transmitting the flu to others.
Seems like a no brainer to me.
.JamestheLiar wrote:I've never viewed the flu shot in the same manner as the person I quoted above, and his/her view makes a lot of sense in the Arena of Vaccines as a whole. However, unlike most other vaccines, almost everyone I know actually contracts the flu when they get the flu shot. Doesn't that negate the whole "protective shield" argument?
You cannot get the flu from a flu shot.
You may have a couple days of your immune system doing what it's supposed to do, recognizing the intruder, ramping up defenses, etc., where you might feel a little like you're getting a cold.
But you're not getting the flu, you're not even really getting any disease at all.5 -
nvmomketo wrote:A girlfriend of mine had the chickenpox vaccine because she had never had it and wanted to be protected while trying to conceive. Within days she coincidentally developed chickenpox, with spots all over even though she does not believe she was exposed to it anywhere. The doctor adamantly argued that she contracted it before the shot. Coincidence.
I, too, developed a (fairly mild) case of chickenpox from being vaccinated, also as an adult. Spots here & there all over, very itchy, but nothing like the pictures in medical books of those poor unvaccinated children who are just covered in pox.
Both the NP who originally saw me at the campus health clinic & the medical director (MD) she called in to confirm her diagnosis (because it is quite rare) were amazed.
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nvmomketo wrote:A girlfriend of mine had the chickenpox vaccine because she had never had it and wanted to be protected while trying to conceive. Within days she coincidentally developed chickenpox, with spots all over even though she does not believe she was exposed to it anywhere. The doctor adamantly argued that she contracted it before the shot. Coincidence.
I, too, developed a (fairly mild) case of chickenpox from being vaccinated, also as an adult. Spots here & there all over, very itchy, but nothing like the pictures in medical books of those poor unvaccinated children who are just covered in pox.
Both the NP who originally saw me at the campus health clinic & the medical director (MD) she called in to confirm her diagnosis (because it is quite rare) were amazed.
I really wonder about chicken pox and the effectiveness of vaccinating. Since it stays in the body I think it might just be best to avoid it. This is coming from someone who had (diagnosed) chicken pox three times as a child and has had shingles once.0 -
How are "anti-vaxxers" endangering everyone else? Everyone else all got vaccinated? LOL!
Some people sure do have a high opinion of their own opinions. I won't be joining in the name calling though.
Not everyone can be vaccinated. Namely, infants, who are at the highest risk of lethality for some of these diseases.
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enterdanger wrote: »For the shots. I was in Myrtle Beach on vacation the week that Hurricane hit. My 3 year old spiked a high fever and I took him to the minute clinic. Tested positive for flu. That was the 1st week of October and I just hadn't got around to the flu shot yet because it was so early.
I'm expecting, so OB said I needed to take TamiFlu as a precaution...Guess what, no one had it in stock yet. Then I drove home 13 hours (because we couldn't get a flight out) in a car with a sick 3 year old. Luckily, I never got it, but yes, Flu season is already here. Better to just get it.
The last time I had the flu, I caught it from my daughter when I was pregnant with my son because it was early and we hadn't gotten around to getting our shots yet.
It was pure hell I wouldn't wish on anyone.
I have to agree with the comments I've read in this thread that the people who say they've gotten "the flu" from the shot have never really had the flu.
If you're not praying for death, you don't have the flu.10 -
as another immunosupressed buddy i get one every year. have luckily only had the flu a few times in my adolescent years, but if i got it now i'm pretty screwed. need to make my appointment soon for this years jag.2
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Happy Friday.5 -
I see a lot of posts about how many people die each year of the flu and how much lower your risk is of getting GBS...I personally have never known anyone that has died of the flu or know anyone that has told me they lost someone to flu. I do have a friend that lost his brother to GBS though. I'm just curious, because I see a lot of the statistics on the news - has anyone here known someone personally that has died of the flu?0
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one1fast68 wrote: »I see a lot of posts about how many people die each year of the flu and how much lower your risk is of getting GBS...I personally have never known anyone that has died of the flu or know anyone that has told me they lost someone to flu. I do have a friend that lost his brother to GBS though. I'm just curious, because I see a lot of the statistics on the news - has anyone here known someone personally that has died of the flu?
My grandmother died of pneumonia secondary to flu, and my husband's grandfather died from the flu. I've met one person with GBS, and she contracted it after having the flu.2
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