How to not overeat in a world full of slobs
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Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.-2
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OP - am I allowed to say that your grammar is beautiful? Because your grammar is beautiful.
Unfortunately if your family likes to keep high-fat/high-salt things in the house (like mine!), the only thing you can do is control yourself. Easier said than done, right? Yes. But it's got to be that way if you want to maintain a healthy weight (which btw is what you are right now).1 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
I think people took more of an issue with your labeling of people around you as fat slobs, than what you choose to eat....4 -
paperpudding wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »oliverneedsyou wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »oliverneedsyou wrote: »You do realize that most people here are former slobs right?
Uh ya, you're weight is fabulous.
Anyways, you could focus on hitting your macros ( protein, carbs, fat) & still fit in treats if that appeals to you
Can confirm, used to be fat and sloppy. Now just fat by my own ridiculous standards.
If it makes you feel better I'm still totally in slob status. 70 pounds down and more to lose! Ha
To be fair, I think most of us fall into the "could always lose more fat" category, even those like myself, who are technically a healthy weight. I'll consider easing up in the bulk/cut cycles when the veins in my abs have veins on their abs.
Do you think so?
I dont count myself as "needing to lose more weight" - I lost to my goal weight 2 years ago and am happy maintaining there. Is a healthy weight and I see no reason to lose more - only to maintain it
Admittedly I could be ( a lot) fitter and I could eat a ( lot more) more nutritionally perfect diet.
Perhaps I am still a slob, not a former one.
Actually that is probably true - was once an overweight slob, now am just a healthy weight slob.
I said lose more fat, not lose more weight.0 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
If there's two things that fatties (and some former fatties) are good at, it's fatting, and being sensitive about their fatting. I sometimes feel like a weird inverse internal hipster. I hated myself for being fat, before it was cool to be okay with being fat, and I have never prevented that (borderline irrational) hatred from spilling onto others who shared my self-induced affliction.3 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan
Most keto diets I've seen use lots of processed foods. (Which is fine, there's nothing about being processed that makes a food not healthful.)it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food!
Well, the point is that it is CORRECTLY used for a very wide variety of foods (which invariably those who claim not to eat processed foods actually do eat). I find it foolish when people claim I should cut out processed foods for the sake of nutrition, as I find that including a number of processed foods (like greek yogurt, smoked salmon, canned tomatoes, dried oats and beans and pasta, frozen fruits and veg, the occasional quick meal from Pret or Snap Kitchen or similar, so on) make it far easier for me to meet my nutritional goals and do so without it becoming overly burdensome. Pretending that one must live like a 19th century farm wife (not that there's anything wrong with that) to eat healthfully is silly, and kind of hypocritical as a lot of the "non processed" things we eat (like fruits and veg) are completely non natural in that context -- could I eat a banana if not for the food industry? No, bananas don't grow where I live. Could I have asparagus or broccoli tonight or strawberries in my smoothie? Could I have any vegetables in a couple of months unless I canned them myself (and then they'd be processed)? So on.
I wish we could have an honest conversation about this, rather than people hypocritically claiming that processing is inherently bad (while continuing to take advantage of all this themselves, and just lying to themselves about it or pretending that others eat only fast food or some nonsense).My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food.
That is a very odd, limited, and simply incorrect definition of "processed."
Then again, if one actually eats an overall healthful, nutritious diet eating the occasional fast food (I don't care for it myself, but some do) is not something to worry about. If you must cut out "processed" food (meaning fast food) to have a good overall diet, that's you, not everyone else.I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
Eh, different people commented on different things, and one can disagree without a nerve being hit. Personally I don't have any nerves bothered by it being pointed out that I eat processed foods -- of course I do, as do all of us here, I'd bet --- but I do take issue with the distortion of what "processed" means or the idea that "processing" means unhealthy. Why? Just a concern about accuracy, I guess.9 -
kristikitter wrote: »OP - am I allowed to say that your grammar is beautiful? Because your grammar is beautiful.
Unfortunately if your family likes to keep high-fat/high-salt things in the house (like mine!), the only thing you can do is control yourself. Easier said than done, right? Yes. But it's got to be that way if you want to maintain a healthy weight (which btw is what you are right now).
you seem like a nice person. I like that about you0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
I think people took more of an issue with your labeling of people around you as fat slobs, than what you choose to eat....
Hi sorry but you are wrong, the op called people slobs please look at the thread I do not body shame I am 200lbs... I have struggled with weight twice in my life after having babies... OP is a teen and I was trying to support her desires to reject eating the McDonalds etc that she is constantly exposed exposed to, perhaps I was a little clumsy in my choice of words but I shamed no body.0 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
I think people took more of an issue with your labeling of people around you as fat slobs, than what you choose to eat....
Hi sorry but you are wrong, the op called people slobs please look at the thread I do not body shame I am 200lbs... I have struggled with weight twice in my life after having babies... OP is a teen and I was trying to support her desires to reject eating the McDonalds etc that she is constantly exposed exposed to, perhaps I was a little clumsy in my choice of words but I shamed no body.
That was my mistake in that I thought you were in fact the OP. I apologize for that confusion.
That said, I do wonder if you care to enlighten us about which processed foods are not OK to eat, and why...6 -
WinoGelato wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
I think people took more of an issue with your labeling of people around you as fat slobs, than what you choose to eat....
Hi sorry but you are wrong, the op called people slobs please look at the thread I do not body shame I am 200lbs... I have struggled with weight twice in my life after having babies... OP is a teen and I was trying to support her desires to reject eating the McDonalds etc that she is constantly exposed exposed to, perhaps I was a little clumsy in my choice of words but I shamed no body.
That was my mistake in that I thought you were in fact the OP. I apologize for that confusion.
That said, I do wonder if you care to enlighten us about which processed foods are not OK to eat, and why...
If I might jump in, I wonder if folks get "processed foods are bad" confused with thinking folks that eat processed foods are eating donuts, pasta, twinkles all day every day? Exaggeration I know but you get the point, not getting balanced nutrition?1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
I think people took more of an issue with your labeling of people around you as fat slobs, than what you choose to eat....
Hi sorry but you are wrong, the op called people slobs please look at the thread I do not body shame I am 200lbs... I have struggled with weight twice in my life after having babies... OP is a teen and I was trying to support her desires to reject eating the McDonalds etc that she is constantly exposed exposed to, perhaps I was a little clumsy in my choice of words but I shamed no body.
That was my mistake in that I thought you were in fact the OP. I apologize for that confusion.
That said, I do wonder if you care to enlighten us about which processed foods are not OK to eat, and why...
If I might jump in, I wonder if folks get "processed foods are bad" confused with thinking folks that eat processed foods are eating donuts, pasta, twinkles all day every day? Exaggeration I know but you get the point, not getting balanced nutrition?
Considering the arguments against processed foods that get thrown out every single day on MFP, I'd imagine this is the case.
"Sure, I could lose weight eating 1200 calories of donuts, but why would I do that when I can eat fruits, vegetables, chicken, yogurt, nuts, kale, cottage cheese, etc."
Meanwhile the person making the argument has a donut in their diary for the day, along with various other foods, while I, too, have a donut in my diary along with various other foods.
Makes no sense.6 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
The foods are okay to eat in moderation, and you can still eat a healthy overall diet and be healthy while enjoying those things in moderation.
Considering that you eat processed foods as a part of your overall diet, do you consider yourself "unhealthy" as a result? Does your doctor say you're "unhealthy"?
If you get all of your nutrients in 1200 calories, and you have 200 calories leftover, your body will not give you extra credit for filling those 200 calories with more micronutrients than your body needs. It will excrete the excess as waste. There is no harm in enjoying a "processed" treat within those leftover calories.4 -
]kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
Disagreeing with your dramatic previous post is not pack mentality.
No nerves hit here. I found your post amusing.6 -
Just eat the healthier options at McD (salads, those little wraps or whatever they have) most of the time and supplement with some cheap foods from the store for nutrition. Canned fruits and vegetables are usually pretty cheap. Peanut butter is cheap and nutritious, though very high calorie. Eggs are cheap, low calorie and nutritious.
I think it's good that you want to nip any weight gain in the bud. You are in the healthy BMI range but there is no reason to wait until you are overweight to start thinking about health and weight control. Just do what you can within your means.2 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
The foods are okay to eat in moderation, and you can still eat a healthy overall diet and be healthy while enjoying those things in moderation.
Considering that you eat processed foods as a part of your overall diet, do you consider yourself "unhealthy" as a result? Does your doctor say you're "unhealthy"?
If you get all of your nutrients in 1200 calories, and you have 200 calories leftover, your body will not give you extra credit for filling those 200 calories with more micronutrients than your body needs. It will excrete the excess as waste. There is no harm in enjoying a "processed" treat within those leftover calories.
Hi, I am no expert, and sorry for saying a word unless I can back up everything with immediate facts, the thing is I can go and cite any study I like to support any argument I have, and like wise for any other opinion.... I don't have time to write a thesis. I think its quote obvious where I was coming from, yes I demonise certain foods, do I still eat them... trying my best not to. But yeah I think I have exposed myself to many hidden chemicals that have affected my health adversely, ideally I want to trust that everything I buy that is processed is "safe". I deplore the use of synthetic pesticides and herbicides in our food, I cant afford to eat completely organic, I live in New Zealand and food is VERY expensive here... blah blah blah,..... you know the drill I am just a person trying to do and say the right things....0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »
]kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
Disagreeing with your dramatic previous post is not pack mentality.
No nerves hit here. I found your post amusing.
Sorry but I had a person comment that I had called people fat slobs... they hadn't read the thread and were jumping on the bandwagon .... if thats not "pack mentality" what is? Have a good day...1 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
Just. Stop. They are okay to eat. It is called moderation, you know...what dietitians encourage?
*snort*4 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Well, not sure why everyone suddenly defends McDonald's so much, and why kiwiapplepear is under so much criticism and ambush. Generally, she's correct, processed foods are not so good and healthy, we should try to avoid them, if possible, for our own good, supporting small businesses in your neighborhood is wonderful especially if they work hard to bring a good change, in our food choices, for instance. Also, she pointed out some healthy changes OP can make for herself and her family, including getting involved and helping out with cooking. All good things to try. I, myself, do not eat processed foods for years, a lot of home cooked meals, relatively inexpensive, and mostly organic too. I believe it's a good approach for me ans my family, although i won't be preaching foe everyone to do the same, but i think if i can cut back the unneeded chemicals and additives out of my diet, it can only benefit me.
Unless you take it directly from a plant and eat it without washing, your food is processed. The idea that milk processed to remove fat or that liquified nuts/legumes are somehow cleaner than whole milk is utterly silly.
Oh, you exercise enough if you are accurately representing what you are doing. At McDonald's you can eat a grilled chicken salad or oatmeal or a fruit and yogurt partition for "healthy" options. Or anything on the menu in moderation. If you are concerned about carb intake for a medical reason, eat a burger without a bun. Eggs are a great source of protein and fat. You can do this, you just have to think about it and be intentional. (And maybe not compare yourself to airbrushed celebrities and models.)5 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »
]kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
Disagreeing with your dramatic previous post is not pack mentality.
No nerves hit here. I found your post amusing.
Sorry but I had a person comment that I had called people fat slobs... they hadn't read the thread and were jumping on the bandwagon .... if thats not "pack mentality" what is? Have a good day...
No, that is incorrect. I have been in this thread from the beginning. I mistook you for the OP because when you rejoined the thread, and tried to clarify your points while insulting those of us with a pack mentality, you didn't quote any particular posts you were responding to. I incorrectly thought you were the OP, whom I also don't think has been back in the thread since the beginning, a point which I apologized for upthread.
What you perceived as pack mentality was about your fearmongering woo based claims that processed foods are bad, that chemicals in food are dangerous, and that anyone who eats these foods is kidding themselves. It's not pack mentality, it is a group of people who disagree with you but agree with each other, and science for that matter.13 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »Um I am back didn't see the barrage of response, quite funny. Never once did I say that I never ate processed foods or had a perfect plant based diet , I said that people are kidding themselves thinking certain processed foods are OK to eat...I am glad I helped you all define your own position on this matter. My food diary at the moment is a bit of a experiment I have just started a ketogenic eating plan, it's obvious that the term "processed" can be applied to any food! As soon as its pulled from the ground. My meaning I think was thinking about fast food type food. I seem to have hit a nerve... Pack mentality here.
The foods are okay to eat in moderation, and you can still eat a healthy overall diet and be healthy while enjoying those things in moderation.
Considering that you eat processed foods as a part of your overall diet, do you consider yourself "unhealthy" as a result? Does your doctor say you're "unhealthy"?
If you get all of your nutrients in 1200 calories, and you have 200 calories leftover, your body will not give you extra credit for filling those 200 calories with more micronutrients than your body needs. It will excrete the excess as waste. There is no harm in enjoying a "processed" treat within those leftover calories.
Hi, I am no expert, and sorry for saying a word unless I can back up everything with immediate facts, the thing is I can go and cite any study I like to support any argument I have, and like wise for any other opinion.... I don't have time to write a thesis. I think its quote obvious where I was coming from, yes I demonise certain foods, do I still eat them... trying my best not to. But yeah I think I have exposed myself to many hidden chemicals that have affected my health adversely, ideally I want to trust that everything I buy that is processed is "safe". I deplore the use of synthetic pesticides and herbicides in our food, I cant afford to eat completely organic, I live in New Zealand and food is VERY expensive here... blah blah blah,..... you know the drill I am just a person trying to do and say the right things....
You are telling someone who gets free food from her workplace (McD's) and works for minimum wage to throw it out and buy more expensive food because you can. I'm a fan of helping people live within their needs when possible rather than soapboxing that they can't be healthy if they can't afford the good stuff.16
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