Homeopathic nutritionist?
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
This brought a rather disturbing image to mind.
OP, sorry you had this experience. I hope you have since found a good medical practitioner in your area.
See, this is where we find out who has the dirty minds!
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
This brought a rather disturbing image to mind.
OP, sorry you had this experience. I hope you have since found a good medical practitioner in your area.
See, this is where we find out who has the dirty minds!
I've never been good at hiding that :blushing:4 -
kristikitter wrote: »
You must be female......3 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »Yes. Unfortunately, today a number of states have laws specific to parents and consequences for the medical decisions they make for their children. Like it or not, we have to live within those laws (at least until if/when they are changed) which means there will be legal consequences for some people if what they choose hurts their kids. It's why 1) the state has no business in the family and 2) a parent better have discerning wisdom in what they choose to do. Both of those are relevant regardless of what the laws are, but even more so today in our current climate.
And the immediate response is thank *kitten* for that.... what states don't have legal consequences for child abuse?
I don’t buy the argument that parents know best. Most love their children, and have best interests at heart but all you need to be a parent is the ability to conceive. And frankly an ill-educated 14 year old can do that.
It’s like the argument for hitting your children, if a stranger comes up to you in the street and thumps you, they can get arrested for ABH. What makes it suddenly ok to strike someone who is a child and even more vulnerable ‘because mum/dad knows best’.
Adults (with information) can make poor choices about their health as long as they have capacity to do so, but for a patent to risk a child suffering from death and disability because the parent believes in bull woo is criminal!
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This is exactly why I don't even come on this site anymore. People are so closed minded. A medical approach which is different from western medicine is automatically "nutty." ....yeah western medicine, which is totally in bed with the profit as opposed to health driven pharmaceutical industry (for example big pharma funds med schools and so doctors learn more about drug prescribing aka 'product selling' than health. Alternative medicine, including acupuncture and homeopathic herbal treatment, has healed me through every issue that western medicine could not treat. All western doctors do is write prescriptions and treat you like a number. They're usually ignorant about actual healing and completely fail to see what ancient medicine, including homeopathy understands: the inherent interrelatedness of every bodily condition. That's what homeopathic medicine is based on, and it's been around a lot longer than our medicine, which you've all been brainwashed into believing in. What about our magic machines, and magic pills? How many times have we been wrong? I'm glad trump is president, now we can all watch the false glory of western egotism completely collapse on itself. I would never trust a traditional doctor, with the exception of surgeons. Aside from the one who brought me into this world and did a very good job keeping me alive because he broke protocol, every other traditional doctor I have seen has treated me extremely poorly, ill informed me, and attempted to drug me with medicine I don't need, and failed to help me whatsoever. Thank God I can think for myself.
And btw, the so called "science" (lol) that debunks alternative treatment is paid for by big pharma, what a joke! If you actually do your research, the legitimate, non contaminated science supports alternative medicine. And what's more convincing than a guy in a lab coat besides, is thousands of years of adherence, study, and support.1 -
Plutodreams wrote: »This is exactly why I don't even come on this site anymore. People are so closed minded. A medical approach which is different from western medicine is automatically "nutty." ....yeah western medicine, which is totally in bed with the profit as opposed to health driven pharmaceutical industry (for example big pharma funds med schools and so doctors learn more about drug prescribing aka 'product selling' than health. Alternative medicine, including acupuncture and homeopathic herbal treatment, has healed me through every issue that western medicine could not treat. All western doctors do is write prescriptions and treat you like a number. They're usually ignorant about actual healing and completely fail to see what ancient medicine, including homeopathy understands: the inherent interrelatedness of every bodily condition. That's what homeopathic medicine is based on, and it's been around a lot longer than our medicine, which you've all been brainwashed into believing in. What about our magic machines, and magic pills? How many times have we been wrong? I'm glad trump is president, now we can all watch the false glory of western egotism completely collapse on itself. I would never trust a traditional doctor, with the exception of surgeons. Aside from the one who brought me into this world and did a very good job keeping me alive because he broke protocol, every other traditional doctor I have seen has treated me extremely poorly, ill informed me, and attempted to drug me with medicine I don't need, and failed to help me whatsoever. Thank God I can think for myself.
Yet here you are...
...with a big pharma conspiracy theory no less.
Chalk me up as another one who is glad that some states have legislation in place to protect minors from the ignorance (and in some cases, arrogance) of their parents.23 -
Plutodreams wrote: »This is exactly why I don't even come on this site anymore. People are so closed minded. A medical approach which is different from western medicine is automatically "nutty." ....yeah western medicine, which is totally in bed with the profit as opposed to health driven pharmaceutical industry (for example big pharma funds med schools and so doctors learn more about drug prescribing aka 'product selling' than health. Alternative medicine, including acupuncture and homeopathic herbal treatment, has healed me through every issue that western medicine could not treat. All western doctors do is write prescriptions and treat you like a number. They're usually ignorant about actual healing and completely fail to see what ancient medicine, including homeopathy understands: the inherent interrelatedness of every bodily condition. That's what homeopathic medicine is based on, and it's been around a lot longer than our medicine, which you've all been brainwashed into believing in. What about our magic machines, and magic pills? How many times have we been wrong? I'm glad trump is president, now we can all watch the false glory of western egotism completely collapse on itself. I would never trust a traditional doctor, with the exception of surgeons. Aside from the one who brought me into this world and did a very good job keeping me alive because he broke protocol, every other traditional doctor I have seen has treated me extremely poorly, ill informed me, and attempted to drug me with medicine I don't need, and failed to help me whatsoever. Thank God I can think for myself.
"Western doctors" have cured my infections and set my broken bones. "Western doctors" sewed up my husband's hand when he suffered a severe cut from broken glass and help my step-father manage his chronic lung condition. "Western doctors" helped my nephew survive when he stopped breathing after birth. "Western doctors" allowed my sister to survive appendicitis and an ectopic pregnancy. "Western doctors" allowed my grandfather to enjoy decades of painfree life after his Crohn's Disease was diagnosed and successfully treated. "Western doctors" help another sister manage her addiction to narcotics so she can live a joyful life. "Western doctors" found my mother's cancer early and treated it so she is now cancer-free and enjoying her children and grandchildren.
If that's being treated "like a number," sign me up. My family would be smaller and sadder and sicker without "Western doctors" and I'm grateful for medical professionals and science every day of my life.30 -
I love Big Pharma! My life is so much better!14
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queenliz99 wrote: »I love Big Pharma! My life is so much better!
Same here! I would be dead without big pharma.10 -
singingflutelady wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »I love Big Pharma! My life is so much better!
Same here! I would be dead without big pharma.
Our desire for continued life is just part of the "false glory of Western egotism."13 -
Plutodreams wrote: »That's what homeopathic medicine is based on, and it's been around a lot longer than our medicine, which you've all been brainwashed into believing in.
I'm confused. Are you saying that people that lived hundreds, maybe thousands, of years ago had better quality of life than we have now? In the 1900s the average world life expectancy was around 31. In 1950 the average world life expectancy was around 48. Today? The average world life expectancy is 67. Life is getting better because of modern medicine. People who were horribly sick and in poor health 100 years ago were going to die and you just went on with life. It was normal. Now, people can survive because of modern medical advances. If homeopathic medicine worked as you say it did then people would have lived longer and healthier lives back when it was the "normal."14 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Plutodreams wrote: »This is exactly why I don't even come on this site anymore. People are so closed minded. A medical approach which is different from western medicine is automatically "nutty." ....yeah western medicine, which is totally in bed with the profit as opposed to health driven pharmaceutical industry (for example big pharma funds med schools and so doctors learn more about drug prescribing aka 'product selling' than health. Alternative medicine, including acupuncture and homeopathic herbal treatment, has healed me through every issue that western medicine could not treat. All western doctors do is write prescriptions and treat you like a number. They're usually ignorant about actual healing and completely fail to see what ancient medicine, including homeopathy understands: the inherent interrelatedness of every bodily condition. That's what homeopathic medicine is based on, and it's been around a lot longer than our medicine, which you've all been brainwashed into believing in. What about our magic machines, and magic pills? How many times have we been wrong? I'm glad trump is president, now we can all watch the false glory of western egotism completely collapse on itself. I would never trust a traditional doctor, with the exception of surgeons. Aside from the one who brought me into this world and did a very good job keeping me alive because he broke protocol, every other traditional doctor I have seen has treated me extremely poorly, ill informed me, and attempted to drug me with medicine I don't need, and failed to help me whatsoever. Thank God I can think for myself.
"Western doctors" have cured my infections and set my broken bones. "Western doctors" sewed up my husband's hand when he suffered a severe cut from broken glass and help my step-father manage his chronic lung condition. "Western doctors" helped my nephew survive when he stopped breathing after birth. "Western doctors" allowed my sister to survive appendicitis and an ectopic pregnancy. "Western doctors" allowed my grandfather to enjoy decades of painfree life after his Crohn's Disease was diagnosed and successfully treated. "Western doctors" help another sister manage her addiction to narcotics so she can live a joyful life. "Western doctors" found my mother's cancer early and treated it so she is now cancer-free and enjoying her children and grandchildren.
If that's being treated "like a number," sign me up. My family would be smaller and sadder and sicker without "Western doctors" and I'm grateful for medical professionals and science every day of my life.
Oooh, I'll play! "Western doctors" and medicine is the reason why my 30 something neighbor, and mom of 2 young kids, is a breast cancer survivor, my mother-in-law is a breast cancer survivor, my sister's mother-in-law is a brain cancer survivor and my other sister's father-in-law is a stomach cancer survivor. All would be dead, dead and dead without the medical treatment they received. Instead they're living life normally now, in good health and cancer free. And my daughter's birth defect, which was causing all sorts of issues, was surgically corrected by the hands of an incredible ENT doctor. My husband's grandmother is alive, after several strokes, due to a great team of "Western doctors", and the list goes on
I keep hearing about all these bad doctors etc, but my family has never experienced this. We've had great success with the medical treatment we've had over the years. 9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »Yes. Unfortunately, today a number of states have laws specific to parents and consequences for the medical decisions they make for their children. Like it or not, we have to live within those laws (at least until if/when they are changed) which means there will be legal consequences for some people if what they choose hurts their kids. It's why 1) the state has no business in the family and 2) a parent better have discerning wisdom in what they choose to do. Both of those are relevant regardless of what the laws are, but even more so today in our current climate.
I don't consider it unfortunate that we have laws to address situations where people choose to harm their children. We've seen what can happen when parents have absolute power of life and death over their children. Many people would use it well and make decisions with the best interest of their children at heart. Some people wouldn't and someone shouldn't be at the total mercy of someone else just because they happen to be under the age of 18.
It would be nice if everyone had wisdom just because they chose to reproduce, but that just doesn't happen. If your parent wants to lock you in a closet for hours or beat you with stick or deny you medical care or starve you or barter sexual access to you for drugs or deliberately expose you to infectious diseases, the argument that the state has no business in the family rings pretty hollow. Having children doesn't make you an infallible person and it doesn't make you a better one. That most parents love and care for their children doesn't change the fact that some parents don't.
First off, don't put words in my mouth. Child abuse is child abuse and should be reported. I did not say anything about accepting child abuse as "parenting" b/c it's clearly NOT. Parenting is a whole lot more then popping babies out (don't I wish people knew this). But I do not consider medical choices child abuse. There is a very fine line for sure, and one has to be exceedingly careful. If I were a bystander watching poor medical decisions being made I would do my very best to intervene with some wisdom to those making the decisions, but ultimately, they are responsible for their choices. Again, this is where discernment comes in. I'm not sure why people here seem to think that someone who approves of and uses natural medicine somehow will refuse medical care if it's clear their kid needs it. Yes, there are people in this world like that - I GET that. But to assume that everyone is, is wrong. Quit classifying everyone into the same group and quit putting words into my mouth. I don't think making laws that hamstring millions because of a few idiots is right either. Punish the few idiots based on the facts. Don't take away the rights of those that have common sense and choose to use it.
I've sat in a room with an oncologist and a social worker called in b/c my husband and I told the doctor, "enough" of what they were doing to our son. We chose an alternative route. We had just found out that the all wise doctors and hospital had given our son tainted blood product that gave him hepatitis (on top of his already being very sick). When we told them we were walking away they called social services. It took less then 15 minutes for that lady to see how and why we made the decisions we were making, how we interacted with the doctor and our son, and how our son felt about everything. She walked out and told the doctor to leave us alone. Our son was no longer in imminent danger and we had gotten him medical care when he was in danger and they were to leave us alone. That didn't satisfy that witch and she pursued us. Until we got in her face and told her we would sue the crap out of her and the hospital and put our name on that hospital for giving our son hepatitis. Then she stepped aside and told us to leave. In our case, it clearly was all about the money because if she really thought we were harming our son do you think she would have let us go?
Before you people pass judgement on what someone thinks or believes, stand a few minutes in their shoes. And for petes sake, quit lumping everyone into the same category. If someone was doing that to you on this board by lumping you all into the "*kitten*" category because you all believed the same thing, I would venture to guess quite a few of you would be not only offended but consider it unfair to be lumped together because clearly some are not *kitten* and some are. It's no different when it comes to people that use or choose one form of medicine over another. Claiming "abuse" to a group of people b/c of their choice is no different then what I just said. Both of those statements are false (not everyone is *kitten* and not everyone that chooses to use natural medicine for their family is an abuser). Don't lump us all into the same category because we are not all the same, and some day you may just find yourself sitting where we were making the same decision we made. It's pretty easy to say what you'd do until you're faced with it.
I am done with this conversation. What needed to be said has been said and everything else is nothing more then pursuing an argument. I find it interesting that beyond the suggestions I gave to the OP, that I saw maybe a couple of other serious ideas (if that) that she could try to rectify this situation and the rest has been bashing all natural forms of medicine rather then giving her constructive ideas for fixing her error (regardless if I agree with her or not). Clearly y'all would rather play bashing games instead of being helpful to the OP.
Again, OP, I hope the few ways I suggested you can pursue this will lead to the outcome you desire.
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Plutodreams wrote: »This is exactly why I don't even come on this site anymore. People are so closed minded. A medical approach which is different from western medicine is automatically "nutty." ....yeah western medicine, which is totally in bed with the profit as opposed to health driven pharmaceutical industry (for example big pharma funds med schools and so doctors learn more about drug prescribing aka 'product selling' than health. Alternative medicine, including acupuncture and homeopathic herbal treatment, has healed me through every issue that western medicine could not treat. All western doctors do is write prescriptions and treat you like a number. They're usually ignorant about actual healing and completely fail to see what ancient medicine, including homeopathy understands: the inherent interrelatedness of every bodily condition. That's what homeopathic medicine is based on, and it's been around a lot longer than our medicine, which you've all been brainwashed into believing in. What about our magic machines, and magic pills? How many times have we been wrong? I'm glad trump is president, now we can all watch the false glory of western egotism completely collapse on itself. I would never trust a traditional doctor, with the exception of surgeons. Aside from the one who brought me into this world and did a very good job keeping me alive because he broke protocol, every other traditional doctor I have seen has treated me extremely poorly, ill informed me, and attempted to drug me with medicine I don't need, and failed to help me whatsoever. Thank God I can think for myself.
And btw, the so called "science" (lol) that debunks alternative treatment is paid for by big pharma, what a joke! If you actually do your research, the legitimate, non contaminated science supports alternative medicine. And what's more convincing than a guy in a lab coat besides, is thousands of years of adherence, study, and support.
Closed minded? Really? Pot meet kettle. Actually, on second thought it's more like the pot calling the bone china black.
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Plutodreams wrote: »This is exactly why I don't even come on this site anymore. People are so closed minded. A medical approach which is different from western medicine is automatically "nutty." ....yeah western medicine, which is totally in bed with the profit as opposed to health driven pharmaceutical industry (for example big pharma funds med schools and so doctors learn more about drug prescribing aka 'product selling' than health. Alternative medicine, including acupuncture and homeopathic herbal treatment, has healed me through every issue that western medicine could not treat. All western doctors do is write prescriptions and treat you like a number. They're usually ignorant about actual healing and completely fail to see what ancient medicine, including homeopathy understands: the inherent interrelatedness of every bodily condition. That's what homeopathic medicine is based on, and it's been around a lot longer than our medicine, which you've all been brainwashed into believing in. What about our magic machines, and magic pills? How many times have we been wrong? I'm glad trump is president, now we can all watch the false glory of western egotism completely collapse on itself. I would never trust a traditional doctor, with the exception of surgeons. Aside from the one who brought me into this world and did a very good job keeping me alive because he broke protocol, every other traditional doctor I have seen has treated me extremely poorly, ill informed me, and attempted to drug me with medicine I don't need, and failed to help me whatsoever. Thank God I can think for myself.
And btw, the so called "science" (lol) that debunks alternative treatment is paid for by big pharma, what a joke! If you actually do your research, the legitimate, non contaminated science supports alternative medicine. And what's more convincing than a guy in a lab coat besides, is thousands of years of adherence, study, and support.
Whut?
As I've said I'm in the UK, with our 'commie-medicine' all profit goes back into research and funding further care.
Basically being ancient doesn't make it good, people have been marrying off their children, committing FGM, trepanning, sacrificing animals/people to gods, selling other people as property for centuries. Personally I'm not keen to resurrect that.
People were chewing on willow bark for bain relief, then 'evil science' isolated the aspirin and make it easier to get pain relief without chomping on trees. The reason alternative medicine works is Placebo, someone humours you and tells you you're 'out of balance' then you feel better, though you might have done anyway.
and I'll leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YIzoLkStDM
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Wow. Apparently I missed an entire conversation while I was typing..........welcome to my world @Plutodreams. I'm right with you in many arenas. 0
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »Yes. Unfortunately, today a number of states have laws specific to parents and consequences for the medical decisions they make for their children. Like it or not, we have to live within those laws (at least until if/when they are changed) which means there will be legal consequences for some people if what they choose hurts their kids. It's why 1) the state has no business in the family and 2) a parent better have discerning wisdom in what they choose to do. Both of those are relevant regardless of what the laws are, but even more so today in our current climate.
I don't consider it unfortunate that we have laws to address situations where people choose to harm their children. We've seen what can happen when parents have absolute power of life and death over their children. Many people would use it well and make decisions with the best interest of their children at heart. Some people wouldn't and someone shouldn't be at the total mercy of someone else just because they happen to be under the age of 18.
It would be nice if everyone had wisdom just because they chose to reproduce, but that just doesn't happen. If your parent wants to lock you in a closet for hours or beat you with stick or deny you medical care or starve you or barter sexual access to you for drugs or deliberately expose you to infectious diseases, the argument that the state has no business in the family rings pretty hollow. Having children doesn't make you an infallible person and it doesn't make you a better one. That most parents love and care for their children doesn't change the fact that some parents don't.
First off, don't put words in my mouth. Child abuse is child abuse and should be reported. I did not say anything about accepting child abuse as "parenting" b/c it's clearly NOT. Parenting is a whole lot more then popping babies out (don't I wish people knew this). But I do not consider medical choices child abuse. There is a very fine line for sure, and one has to be exceedingly careful. If I were a bystander watching poor medical decisions being made I would do my very best to intervene with some wisdom to those making the decisions, but ultimately, they are responsible for their choices. Again, this is where discernment comes in. I'm not sure why people here seem to think that someone who approves of and uses natural medicine somehow will refuse medical care if it's clear their kid needs it. Yes, there are people in this world like that - I GET that. But to assume that everyone is, is wrong. Quit classifying everyone into the same group and quit putting words into my mouth. I don't think making laws that hamstring millions because of a few idiots is right either. Punish the few idiots based on the facts. Don't take away the rights of those that have common sense and choose to use it.
I've sat in a room with an oncologist and a social worker called in b/c my husband and I told the doctor, "enough" of what they were doing to our son. We chose an alternative route. We had just found out that the all wise doctors and hospital had given our son tainted blood product that gave him hepatitis (on top of his already being very sick). When we told them we were walking away they called social services. It took less then 15 minutes for that lady to see how and why we made the decisions we were making, how we interacted with the doctor and our son, and how our son felt about everything. She walked out and told the doctor to leave us alone. Our son was no longer in imminent danger and we had gotten him medical care when he was in danger and they were to leave us alone. That didn't satisfy that witch and she pursued us. Until we got in her face and told her we would sue the crap out of her and the hospital and put our name on that hospital for giving our son hepatitis. Then she stepped aside and told us to leave. In our case, it clearly was all about the money because if she really thought we were harming our son do you think she would have let us go?
Before you people pass judgement on what someone thinks or believes, stand a few minutes in their shoes. And for petes sake, quit lumping everyone into the same category. If someone was doing that to you on this board by lumping you all into the "*kitten*" category because you all believed the same thing, I would venture to guess quite a few of you would be not only offended but consider it unfair to be lumped together because clearly some are not *kitten* and some are. It's no different when it comes to people that use or choose one form of medicine over another. Claiming "abuse" to a group of people b/c of their choice is no different then what I just said. Both of those statements are false (not everyone is *kitten* and not everyone that chooses to use natural medicine for their family is an abuser). Don't lump us all into the same category because we are not all the same, and some day you may just find yourself sitting where we were making the same decision we made. It's pretty easy to say what you'd do until you're faced with it.
I am done with this conversation. What needed to be said has been said and everything else is nothing more then pursuing an argument. I find it interesting that beyond the suggestions I gave to the OP, that I saw maybe a couple of other serious ideas (if that) that she could try to rectify this situation and the rest has been bashing all natural forms of medicine rather then giving her constructive ideas for fixing her error (regardless if I agree with her or not). Clearly y'all would rather play bashing games instead of being helpful to the OP.
Again, OP, I hope the few ways I suggested you can pursue this will lead to the outcome you desire.
When you wrote that the state has no business in the family, I thought you meant to communicate that it was your opinion that the state has no business in the family. If that wasn't what you meant, I don't know how I could have possibly known that.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »Yes. Unfortunately, today a number of states have laws specific to parents and consequences for the medical decisions they make for their children. Like it or not, we have to live within those laws (at least until if/when they are changed) which means there will be legal consequences for some people if what they choose hurts their kids. It's why 1) the state has no business in the family and 2) a parent better have discerning wisdom in what they choose to do. Both of those are relevant regardless of what the laws are, but even more so today in our current climate.
I don't consider it unfortunate that we have laws to address situations where people choose to harm their children. We've seen what can happen when parents have absolute power of life and death over their children. Many people would use it well and make decisions with the best interest of their children at heart. Some people wouldn't and someone shouldn't be at the total mercy of someone else just because they happen to be under the age of 18.
It would be nice if everyone had wisdom just because they chose to reproduce, but that just doesn't happen. If your parent wants to lock you in a closet for hours or beat you with stick or deny you medical care or starve you or barter sexual access to you for drugs or deliberately expose you to infectious diseases, the argument that the state has no business in the family rings pretty hollow. Having children doesn't make you an infallible person and it doesn't make you a better one. That most parents love and care for their children doesn't change the fact that some parents don't.
First off, don't put words in my mouth. Child abuse is child abuse and should be reported. I did not say anything about accepting child abuse as "parenting" b/c it's clearly NOT. Parenting is a whole lot more then popping babies out (don't I wish people knew this). But I do not consider medical choices child abuse. There is a very fine line for sure, and one has to be exceedingly careful. If I were a bystander watching poor medical decisions being made I would do my very best to intervene with some wisdom to those making the decisions, but ultimately, they are responsible for their choices. Again, this is where discernment comes in. I'm not sure why people here seem to think that someone who approves of and uses natural medicine somehow will refuse medical care if it's clear their kid needs it. Yes, there are people in this world like that - I GET that. But to assume that everyone is, is wrong. Quit classifying everyone into the same group and quit putting words into my mouth. I don't think making laws that hamstring millions because of a few idiots is right either. Punish the few idiots based on the facts. Don't take away the rights of those that have common sense and choose to use it.
I've sat in a room with an oncologist and a social worker called in b/c my husband and I told the doctor, "enough" of what they were doing to our son. We chose an alternative route. We had just found out that the all wise doctors and hospital had given our son tainted blood product that gave him hepatitis (on top of his already being very sick). When we told them we were walking away they called social services. It took less then 15 minutes for that lady to see how and why we made the decisions we were making, how we interacted with the doctor and our son, and how our son felt about everything. She walked out and told the doctor to leave us alone. Our son was no longer in imminent danger and we had gotten him medical care when he was in danger and they were to leave us alone. That didn't satisfy that witch and she pursued us. Until we got in her face and told her we would sue the crap out of her and the hospital and put our name on that hospital for giving our son hepatitis. Then she stepped aside and told us to leave. In our case, it clearly was all about the money because if she really thought we were harming our son do you think she would have let us go?
Before you people pass judgement on what someone thinks or believes, stand a few minutes in their shoes. And for petes sake, quit lumping everyone into the same category. If someone was doing that to you on this board by lumping you all into the "*kitten*" category because you all believed the same thing, I would venture to guess quite a few of you would be not only offended but consider it unfair to be lumped together because clearly some are not *kitten* and some are. It's no different when it comes to people that use or choose one form of medicine over another. Claiming "abuse" to a group of people b/c of their choice is no different then what I just said. Both of those statements are false (not everyone is *kitten* and not everyone that chooses to use natural medicine for their family is an abuser). Don't lump us all into the same category because we are not all the same, and some day you may just find yourself sitting where we were making the same decision we made. It's pretty easy to say what you'd do until you're faced with it.
I am done with this conversation. What needed to be said has been said and everything else is nothing more then pursuing an argument. I find it interesting that beyond the suggestions I gave to the OP, that I saw maybe a couple of other serious ideas (if that) that she could try to rectify this situation and the rest has been bashing all natural forms of medicine rather then giving her constructive ideas for fixing her error (regardless if I agree with her or not). Clearly y'all would rather play bashing games instead of being helpful to the OP.
Again, OP, I hope the few ways I suggested you can pursue this will lead to the outcome you desire.
When you wrote that the state has no business in the family, I thought you meant to communicate that it was your opinion that the state has no business in the family. If that wasn't what you meant, I don't know how I could have possibly known that.
That is also exactly how I took it, also when the discussion was about how many children had died due to their parents alternative 'medicine' the justification of ronjsteele1was that we were confusing homeopaths with naturopaths......4 -
I think it is hilarious that people really believe homeopathic and naturopathic medicine is not for profit. If you don't think they are also making millions off of sick people than you are sadly mistaken.22
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singingflutelady wrote: »I think it is hilarious that people really believe homeopathic and naturopathic medicine is not for profit. If you don't think they are also making millions off of sick people than you are sadly mistaken.
I've never understood the argument that "Western medicine" is all about profit and that homeopathic/naturopathic "medicines" aren't. Homeopathics and naturopaths do charge for their services and the selling of faux remedies is a huge business.12 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »I've sat in a room with an oncologist and a social worker called in b/c my husband and I told the doctor, "enough" of what they were doing to our son. We chose an alternative route. We had just found out that the all wise doctors and hospital had given our son tainted blood product that gave him hepatitis (on top of his already being very sick). When we told them we were walking away they called social services. It took less then 15 minutes for that lady to see how and why we made the decisions we were making, how we interacted with the doctor and our son, and how our son felt about everything. She walked out and told the doctor to leave us alone. Our son was no longer in imminent danger and we had gotten him medical care when he was in danger and they were to leave us alone. That didn't satisfy that witch and she pursued us. Until we got in her face and told her we would sue the crap out of her and the hospital and put our name on that hospital for giving our son hepatitis. Then she stepped aside and told us to leave. In our case, it clearly was all about the money because if she really thought we were harming our son do you think she would have let us go?
Before you people pass judgement on what someone thinks or believes, stand a few minutes in their shoes. And for petes sake, quit lumping everyone into the same category. If someone was doing that to you on this board by lumping you all into the "*kitten*" category because you all believed the same thing, I would venture to guess quite a few of you would be not only offended but consider it unfair to be lumped together because clearly some are not *kitten* and some are. It's no different when it comes to people that use or choose one form of medicine over another. Claiming "abuse" to a group of people b/c of their choice is no different then what I just said. Both of those statements are false (not everyone is *kitten* and not everyone that chooses to use natural medicine for their family is an abuser). Don't lump us all into the same category because we are not all the same, and some day you may just find yourself sitting where we were making the same decision we made. It's pretty easy to say what you'd do until you're faced with it.
So the hospital gave your son hepatitis and you didn't pursue legal action? Can I ask why not? I'm not trying to argue. I like the conversation and I like hearing differing opinions.
Also, I don't believe anyone is "lumping everyone in the same category." The OP asked about what people thought and she got opinions. The opinion is that this particular "Homeopathic Nutritionist" was off her rocker and people expanded on that. I hope you don't take offense to that. The issue many people have is that the people who use both natural medicine and modern medicine don't make the news. The people who use both responsibly aren't making headlines. The ones who "reject all modern medicine" like @Plutodreams are the ones many people worry about. The people who believe that they know best over all educated doctors and scientists and then act so heartbroken when their loved one dies from something they could have easily been saved from.
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »I've sat in a room with an oncologist and a social worker called in b/c my husband and I told the doctor, "enough" of what they were doing to our son. We chose an alternative route. We had just found out that the all wise doctors and hospital had given our son tainted blood product that gave him hepatitis (on top of his already being very sick). When we told them we were walking away they called social services. It took less then 15 minutes for that lady to see how and why we made the decisions we were making, how we interacted with the doctor and our son, and how our son felt about everything. She walked out and told the doctor to leave us alone. Our son was no longer in imminent danger and we had gotten him medical care when he was in danger and they were to leave us alone. That didn't satisfy that witch and she pursued us. Until we got in her face and told her we would sue the crap out of her and the hospital and put our name on that hospital for giving our son hepatitis. Then she stepped aside and told us to leave. In our case, it clearly was all about the money because if she really thought we were harming our son do you think she would have let us go?
Before you people pass judgement on what someone thinks or believes, stand a few minutes in their shoes. And for petes sake, quit lumping everyone into the same category. If someone was doing that to you on this board by lumping you all into the "*kitten*" category because you all believed the same thing, I would venture to guess quite a few of you would be not only offended but consider it unfair to be lumped together because clearly some are not *kitten* and some are. It's no different when it comes to people that use or choose one form of medicine over another. Claiming "abuse" to a group of people b/c of their choice is no different then what I just said. Both of those statements are false (not everyone is *kitten* and not everyone that chooses to use natural medicine for their family is an abuser). Don't lump us all into the same category because we are not all the same, and some day you may just find yourself sitting where we were making the same decision we made. It's pretty easy to say what you'd do until you're faced with it.
So the hospital gave your son hepatitis and you didn't pursue legal action? Can I ask why not? I'm not trying to argue. I like the conversation and I like hearing differing opinions.
Also, I don't believe anyone is "lumping everyone in the same category." The OP asked about what people thought and she got opinions. The opinion is that this particular "Homeopathic Nutritionist" was off her rocker and people expanded on that. I hope you don't take offense to that. The issue many people have is that the people who use both natural medicine and modern medicine don't make the news. The people who use both responsibly aren't making headlines. The ones who "reject all modern medicine" like @Plutodreams are the ones many people worry about. The people who believe that they know best over all educated doctors and scientists and then act so heartbroken when their loved one dies from something they could have easily been saved from.
I had a family practitioner awhile back who told my family and I that he was open to alternative treatments but asked only that we tell him if we did use such treatments since he needed to know in case other treatments might be causing side effects or have known drug interactions. People can pursue whatever treatments for themselves that they wish but when it comes to the life and health of another human being, no matter what the relationship, they had better be very sure they are doing no harm.9 -
I use both Western meds and acupuncture. Western doctors saved my life while Eastern approaches are managing my symptoms tremendously. I Tend to do a ridiculous amount of research on practitioners regardless of their their specialty, read reviews, and ask a bunch of questions on the first visit. That way I can make sure that I am not talking to any joe schmoe.
You have the power as a patient to say no to any treatment. Next time you'll know to pull the plug at the first red flag.7 -
I've worked for a homeopathic veterinarian and I saw some amazing things work for some animals and not for others. Personally I would not return to this "nutritionist". I would find a RD but then you'll get the "You must eat meat and drink milk and eat tons of cheese" POV. I'm not sure what dietary changes your family made. I use my PCM to monitor blood levels in order to make sure I'm healthy. She knows I'm plantbased and I don't subscribe to the BS of the SAD (Standard American Diet). Good luck! 2
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Here's you're statement:ronjsteele1 wrote: »Do you realize that a large portion of the medicines used to treat cancers, etc. they don't actually know "how" they work? They only know when they tried them they worked.
To which I responded:This is completely untrue. I'm sure you can provide some evidence, oh wait never mind, forgot who I was responding to.
Then you came back with this:Acamprosate
Armodafinil
Antidepressants
Cyclobenzaprine
Demeclocycline
Fabomotizole
Lithium
Meprobamate
Methocarbamol
Paracetamol
Phenytoin
PRL-8-53
I think you get the point..........
I see you think that finally have your "gotcha moment", but lets roll back the tape, particularly the bolded. You said "large portion" and "medicines to treat cancer." There are about 5000 different pharmaceuticals available by presciption, 1200 of the most commonly prescribed obes are listed in the PDR. You listed 12 drugs, none of which treat cancer. 12 out of 1200 doesn't even come close to a large portion, unless you want to claim it is a large portion by homeopathic math. So your statement is still wrong and mine is correct.13 -
So the hospital gave your son hepatitis and you didn't pursue legal action? Can I ask why not? I'm not trying to argue. I like the conversation and I like hearing differing opinions.
Because when we consulted an attorney to do so we were told that he could guarantee, even with multiple blood tests from different doctors, that the hospital and blood bank would have already altered both the records of the product he received and our son's personal records. He said it was wrong, but he'd been a trial lawyer for 25+ years and had seen it happen many times when it involved any tainted blood product. He said they had only been able to prove that happened in a couple of cases he was involved in and it was because whomever did the altering made a couple of small mistakes in the process that some smart person found for him. After consulting with said attorney we moved on. We had two medical crisis going on at the exact same time and did not have energy to further pursue after being told that. Looking back, I kind of wish we had but at that moment, we had to choose between focusing on healing two people and the ensuing life change that brought or money to inflict some pain on those who were at fault. We did not have the time, energy, or capacity to do both at once. In the end, we decided not to seek out another opinion (this person was a friend - we trusted him, and still do). It would not have altered our course of treatment nor would money change what we were going through. Our boy is hep. free and blood disease free today, which was worth the decision to put our energy into him. It's a valid question to ask........0 -
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »
So the hospital gave your son hepatitis and you didn't pursue legal action? Can I ask why not? I'm not trying to argue. I like the conversation and I like hearing differing opinions.
Because when we consulted an attorney to do so we were told that he could guarantee, even with multiple blood tests from different doctors, that the hospital and blood bank would have already altered both the records of the product he received and our son's personal records. He said it was wrong, but he'd been a trial lawyer for 25+ years and had seen it happen many times when it involved any tainted blood product. He said they had only been able to prove that happened in a couple of cases he was involved in and it was because whomever did the altering made a couple of small mistakes in the process that some smart person found for him. After consulting with said attorney we moved on. We had two medical crisis going on at the exact same time and did not have energy to further pursue after being told that. Looking back, I kind of wish we had but at that moment, we had to choose between focusing on healing two people and the ensuing life change that brought or money to inflict some pain on those who were at fault. We did not have the time, energy, or capacity to do both at once. In the end, we decided not to seek out another opinion (this person was a friend - we trusted him, and still do). It would not have altered our course of treatment nor would money change what we were going through. Our boy is hep. free and blood disease free today, which was worth the decision to put our energy into him. It's a valid question to ask........
Wait, so you are saying the hospital would have altered records just to show they weren't at fault??? And would get the blood bank (a completely seperate entity) involved In the cover up? You don't consider that a conspiracy theory? That is absolutely ridiculous. Blood bank have admitted to tainted blood before, in fact, they admitted to giving people HIV, hepatitis, as well as other blood borne disorders.17 -
Here's you're statement:ronjsteele1 wrote: »Do you realize that a large portion of the medicines used to treat cancers, etc. they don't actually know "how" they work? They only know when they tried them they worked.
To which I responded:This is completely untrue. I'm sure you can provide some evidence, oh wait never mind, forgot who I was responding to.
Then you came back with this:Acamprosate
Armodafinil
Antidepressants
Cyclobenzaprine
Demeclocycline
Fabomotizole
Lithium
Meprobamate
Methocarbamol
Paracetamol
Phenytoin
PRL-8-53
I think you get the point..........
I see you think that finally have your "gotcha moment", but lets roll back the tape, particularly the bolded. You said "large portion" and "medicines to treat cancer." There are about 5000 different pharmaceuticals available by presciption, 1200 of the most commonly prescribed obes are listed in the PDR. You listed 12 drugs, none of which treat cancer. 12 out of 1200 doesn't even come close to a large portion, unless you want to claim it is a large portion by homeopathic math. So your statement is still wrong and mine is correct.
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.
There's a chance in two weeks I might be on lithium. I'm aware that most psych meds are a bit like a lucky dip as far efficacy goes because of the accidental nature of finding they work. But this is most definitely something mostly unique to psychiatric meds, I expect because funding for research is poor because mental health is still the poor man of the medical world so to speak. No-one is having month long fundraising campaigns for schizophrenia.
However, to then extrapolate that to all pharmaceuticals is utterly nonsensical, as pointed out above. AND the fact I don't know why it works isn't going to stop me from trying because guess what? Being chronically sick is abjectly miserable and there's no amount of fancy bottled water with no detectable trace of what it was once mixed with that is going to help. And yes, there is science to back that up. There is no science I am aware of that backs up homeopathy having anything beyond a placebo effect.
I would actually be more likely to look to naturopathy for some things. I would never turn to homeopathy. Magic water isn't a thing.9
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