"Do Carbs make me fat"
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in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
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billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
That's individual to you. Carbs help me feel full.7 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
That's individual to you. Carbs help me feel full.
thats why i said "in my opinion"
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Carlos_421 wrote: »billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
That's individual to you. Carbs help me feel full.
Thats the same thing a friend said...and it'd make sense with the fibre, wouldn't it?0 -
billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
No, YOU tend to want to eat. Satiety is largely an individual factor, and is not consistent from person to person. Blanket statements/assumptions like this are rarely helpful to these sorts of discussions...5 -
billglitch wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
That's individual to you. Carbs help me feel full.
thats why i said "in my opinion"
But your opinion was a generalized statement about other people. Carbs make you want to eat. They don't necessarily make everyone else want to eat.
They make me feel full. Love me some starch, I do.6 -
WinoGelato wrote: »billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
No, YOU tend to want to eat. Satiety is largely an individual factor, and is not consistent from person to person. Blanket statements/assumptions like this are rarely helpful to these sorts of discussions...
thats why i said in my opinion
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billglitch wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you I tend to want to eat....thats the problem
That's individual to you. Carbs help me feel full.
thats why i said "in my opinion"
Ok, then the rest of the sentence needs to be amended as well. No problem, FIFY.
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billglitch wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
No, YOU tend to want to eat. Satiety is largely an individual factor, and is not consistent from person to person. Blanket statements/assumptions like this are rarely helpful to these sorts of discussions...
thats why i said in my opinion
In my opinion, carbs do not stay with me and leave me hungry sooner. So I tend to want to eat.
or
In my opinion, carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat.
See the difference?
You weren't talking about you. You made a statement about other people. This is why your opinion is being challenged by those other people you chose to speak for.7 -
Carbs totally make you fat which is why nobody ever recommends something like the Mediterranean diet or other substantially plant based diets...I'm pretty sure the Mediterranean diet and other substantially plant based diets are wholly responsible for the obesity epidemic.
/sarcasm5 -
billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
Is this with all carbs? From veggies to starches? Because fat doesn't fill me up, but starches are my BFF.
If you want to get technical, fats convert to body fat the easiest, followed by carbs and protein. But it's all driven by energy balance.3 -
billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
Is this with all carbs? From veggies to starches? Because fat doesn't fill me up, but starches are my BFF.
If you want to get technical, fats convert to body fat the easiest, followed by carbs and protein. But it's all driven by energy balance.
According to my therapist that's particularly the case with active people. He said my body is quickly running out of stores which is why I'd feel tired and shaky. I just can't wait for my body to normalise as weight lifting has become a struggle for me.0 -
billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
Is this with all carbs? From veggies to starches? Because fat doesn't fill me up, but starches are my BFF.
If you want to get technical, fats convert to body fat the easiest, followed by carbs and protein. But it's all driven by energy balance.
According to my therapist that's particularly the case with active people. He said my body is quickly running out of stores which is why I'd feel tired and shaky. I just can't wait for my body to normalise as weight lifting has become a struggle for me.
Are you an endurance athlete or running low carb? Because if you aren't, it's highly unlikely that your glycogen stores are depleted, especially considering a body can store 400-500g of glycogen. If you are struggling with workouts, I would first look at calories, body fat% levels/weight, and then mineral deficiencies.3 -
billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
I'm the opposite, carb heavy meals make me feel fuller longer.0 -
billglitch wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
That's individual to you. Carbs help me feel full.
thats why i said "in my opinion"
You said that in your opinion, carbs leave me/us hungry.billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
If you'd said
that would be more accurate.in my experience carbs do not stay with me and leave me hungry sooner. So I tend to want to eat....0 -
They don't if you don't exceed your calories, unless you do this:
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billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
Is this with all carbs? From veggies to starches? Because fat doesn't fill me up, but starches are my BFF.
If you want to get technical, fats convert to body fat the easiest, followed by carbs and protein. But it's all driven by energy balance.
According to my therapist that's particularly the case with active people. He said my body is quickly running out of stores which is why I'd feel tired and shaky. I just can't wait for my body to normalise as weight lifting has become a struggle for me.
Are you an endurance athlete or running low carb? Because if you aren't, it's highly unlikely that your glycogen stores are depleted, especially considering a body can store 400-500g of glycogen. If you are struggling with workouts, I would first look at calories, body fat% levels/weight, and then mineral deficiencies.
The problem is running on a deficit for most of the past 3 years I think and running on pretty much low carb and low fat. My body fat was at 10%, I assume it's been adaptive thermogenesis.
I should also add - my issue was mostly identified as orthorexia and I've got hormone issues. I'm on Testosterone Replacement Therapy.0 -
billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
Is this with all carbs? From veggies to starches? Because fat doesn't fill me up, but starches are my BFF.
If you want to get technical, fats convert to body fat the easiest, followed by carbs and protein. But it's all driven by energy balance.
According to my therapist that's particularly the case with active people. He said my body is quickly running out of stores which is why I'd feel tired and shaky. I just can't wait for my body to normalise as weight lifting has become a struggle for me.
Are you an endurance athlete or running low carb? Because if you aren't, it's highly unlikely that your glycogen stores are depleted, especially considering a body can store 400-500g of glycogen. If you are struggling with workouts, I would first look at calories, body fat% levels/weight, and then mineral deficiencies.
The problem is running on a deficit for most of the past 3 years I think and running on pretty much low carb and low fat. My body fat was at 10%, I assume it's been adaptive thermogenesis.
Low body fat + low fat can lead to hormonal issues. Did you incorporate any refeeds or anything throughout the time2 -
billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
Is this with all carbs? From veggies to starches? Because fat doesn't fill me up, but starches are my BFF.
If you want to get technical, fats convert to body fat the easiest, followed by carbs and protein. But it's all driven by energy balance.
According to my therapist that's particularly the case with active people. He said my body is quickly running out of stores which is why I'd feel tired and shaky. I just can't wait for my body to normalise as weight lifting has become a struggle for me.
Are you an endurance athlete or running low carb? Because if you aren't, it's highly unlikely that your glycogen stores are depleted, especially considering a body can store 400-500g of glycogen. If you are struggling with workouts, I would first look at calories, body fat% levels/weight, and then mineral deficiencies.
The problem is running on a deficit for most of the past 3 years I think and running on pretty much low carb and low fat. My body fat was at 10%, I assume it's been adaptive thermogenesis.
Low body fat + low fat can lead to hormonal issues. Did you incorporate any refeeds or anything throughout the time
You're right - which the doctor is unsure if it's what happened (I was on a high carb low fat diet).
The doctor also believes that it could be a chromosomal issue. I didn't have refeeds, but I ended up having binges which is when I sought out help.
My body just eventually stopped producing hormones - the endocrinologist believes it was over training and under eating. I at the time started the whole low carb (with moderate fat) and I think it's where it all started going wrong
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billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
Is this with all carbs? From veggies to starches? Because fat doesn't fill me up, but starches are my BFF.
If you want to get technical, fats convert to body fat the easiest, followed by carbs and protein. But it's all driven by energy balance.
According to my therapist that's particularly the case with active people. He said my body is quickly running out of stores which is why I'd feel tired and shaky. I just can't wait for my body to normalise as weight lifting has become a struggle for me.
Are you an endurance athlete or running low carb? Because if you aren't, it's highly unlikely that your glycogen stores are depleted, especially considering a body can store 400-500g of glycogen. If you are struggling with workouts, I would first look at calories, body fat% levels/weight, and then mineral deficiencies.
The problem is running on a deficit for most of the past 3 years I think and running on pretty much low carb and low fat. My body fat was at 10%, I assume it's been adaptive thermogenesis.
Low body fat + low fat can lead to hormonal issues. Did you incorporate any refeeds or anything throughout the time
You're right - which the doctor is unsure if it's what happened (I was on a high carb low fat diet).
The doctor also believes that it could be a chromosomal issue. I didn't have refeeds, but I ended up having binges which is when I sought out help.
My body just eventually stopped producing hormones - the endocrinologist believes it was over training and under eating. I at the time started the whole low carb (with moderate fat) and I think it's where it all started going wrong
Unfortunately, it seems you incorporated several extremes causing a lot of hormonal issues. Good luck on fixing it.1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Umm what does this sentence mean?
How are carbs, or any macro, or any inanimate matter, socially redeeming or not ???
anyway I successfully lost weight without any cutting down of carbs - other than cutting down to reach my right calorie level
Wheat and corn not socially redeeming.
Just another attack on the midwest, am I right?
;-)
I thought it meant they were the gangs and drug lords of the food world. :laugh:5 -
Elephants only eat carbs and they're pretty big, so I'd say yes.
I kid, I kid
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This is always in debate. But yes, at least it's true with me and my Mom. We can't eat a lot of carbs without gaining weight easily, no matter the calories. I know for a fact that carbs matter in my case. I have tested it time and time again. To be fair, I gain and lose weight pretty easily.
Year 2010: went on a diet that was pretty much high protein, moderate fat, and low-ish carbs (60-90g a day) - lost 110 lbs in about a year and some months.Kept that off 3 yrs. This was a food delivery program. So I was just robotically eating whatever I ordered with no real education on *why*
Year 2013-2016: I re-gained some weight due to grief and messing up my metabolism from not eating.
August 2016: Decided to do something, but this time was watching pennies so didn't go back to food delivery. I became dedicated. I put together a diet based on the nutrients MFP recommended. I weighed and logged all foods. Was not eating over my calories, but my carb intake was something like 110g a day (mostly from complex carbs). I gained and stalled terribly from August to early November, which was weird.
November 14, 2016: Took a new approach. I went back to those same macros from the food delivery. I cut out wheat bread and re-examined my refined sugar content. Changed my diet BACK to high protein, moderate fat, and low carb (60-90g/day). I have lost right at 14 lbs in 3 weeks (mostly water in week 1, I'm sure).
Again, the way my body works might NOT be normal, but it's true. And I figured out, if I want to eat something high carb, I also need to eat adequate protein with it. I have been tested for diabetes, thyroid health, etc. and all was good. It's just the way my body metabolizes breads and other carbs. Not only do I gain fat but I bloat terribly with too many carbs.0 -
BarryBrownFitness wrote: »@malibu927 @CorneliusPhoton I agree 100%. I would love to find out we're it came from "Carbs make you fat"
Likely it came from someone trying to sell a diet book...6 -
IAmSagittarian82 wrote: »This is always in debate. But yes, at least it's true with me and my Mom. We can't eat a lot of carbs without gaining weight easily, no matter the calories. I know for a fact that carbs matter in my case. I have tested it time and time again. To be fair, I gain and lose weight pretty easily.
Year 2010: went on a diet that was pretty much high protein, moderate fat, and low-ish carbs (60-90g a day) - lost 110 lbs in about a year and some months.Kept that off 3 yrs. This was a food delivery program. So I was just robotically eating whatever I ordered with no real education on *why*
Year 2013-2016: I re-gained some weight due to grief and messing up my metabolism from not eating.
August 2016: Decided to do something, but this time was watching pennies so didn't go back to food delivery. I became dedicated. I put together a diet based on the nutrients MFP recommended. I weighed and logged all foods. Was not eating over my calories, but my carb intake was something like 110g a day (mostly from complex carbs). I gained and stalled terribly from August to early November, which was weird.
November 14, 2016: Took a new approach. I went back to those same macros from the food delivery. I cut out wheat bread and re-examined my refined sugar content. Changed my diet BACK to high protein, moderate fat, and low carb (60-90g/day). I have lost right at 14 lbs in 3 weeks (mostly water in week 1, I'm sure).
Again, the way my body works might NOT be normal, but it's true. I have been tested for diabetes, thyroid health, etc. and all was good. It's just the way my body metabolizes breads and other carbs. Not only do I gain fat but I bloat terribly with too many carbs.
I'm someone who tends to overeat starchy and sugary carbs, so I feel you, but I don't think I metabolize them any differently than everyone else, and I'd be surprised if you did either. You mentioned water weight, and that's clearly established with carb vs low carb, but is it not also possible that this lower carb version of your diet is more satiating and you are actually eating fewer calories now?
PS: Congrats on rediscovering something that's working for you again, regardless of the reason.2 -
billglitch wrote: »in my opinion carbs do not stay with you and leave you hungry sooner. So you tend to want to eat....thats the problem
I've made similar statements here and been corrected. Based on my personal experiences, the relationship between quickly digested carbs (sugary being the prime example, but also low fibre starchy) and lack of lasting satiety are undeniable. It's hard for me to understand why other people's experiences could be so different.
Does anyone want to offer up a theory on WHY our experiences are so different?0 -
BarryBrownFitness wrote: »I would love to find out we're it came from "Carbs make you fat"
Check out Food Matters on Netflix.
Most food "documentaries" are highly biased crackpot propaganda pieces which use lots of junk science and selective cherry-picking of portions of studies to fit whatever their agenda happens to be. You may as well just watch Dr. Oz, the information is just as (un)reliable.4 -
goldthistime wrote: »
I'm someone who tends to overeat starchy and sugary carbs, so I feel you, but I don't think I metabolize them any differently than everyone else, and I'd be surprised if you did either. You mentioned water weight, and that's clearly established with carb vs low carb, but is it not also possible that this lower carb version of your diet is more satiating and you are actually eating fewer calories now?
PS: Congrats on rediscovering something that's working for you again, regardless of the reason.
I feels liberating. Thanks! I might not be articulating what I mean when I say I metabolize differently. I just mean that...if I get over 100g of carbs a day on any diet, I stall or even gain.
Here is what I mean:
My diet when I stalled: 1200 calories. I was eating stuff that was healthy but would be too dense in carbs for me. Some wheat breads, oatmeal, and certain fruits like a large apple (23g of sugar). I was eating all this and still would not be over 1200 calories.
My new diet: 1200 calories. Per meal, I take in more protein than carbs. In other words, baked chicken breast and a salad rather than eating turkey on wheat bread.
I don't disagree with CICO. I definitely follow my meal plan and stay at 1200 cals as recommended. I just make sure the majority of it is not from carbs.0 -
BarryBrownFitness wrote: »For me? Yeah. Carbs make me fat.
When carbs go up, my fat intake goes down and my hunger goes up. I am hungrier when I eat more carbs.
I'm also more fatigued when I eat more carbs and experience large blood glucose swings (reactive hypoglycemia) which also drives my appetite.
I can't ignore hunger and cravings that are present so much when I eat higher carbs. I can't really ignore the shakes and cold sweats from plummeting BG every 2 hours after I ate. I ate more for those reasons. I gained weight.
Plus I gained about 20lbs in the year after I became insulin resistant (most likely due to steroids to treat autoimmune issues). I was not aware that I was eating 200 kcal more per day but I must have. Nothing else in my life changed but my higher levels of insulin. I ate moderate to high carb so I'm guessing my insulin was pretty high. Did it help me store fat more effectively? Make me hungrier and eat more? Coincidence? Who knows. I'll never eat that way again so I can't test it.
If I eat very few carbs, I am less hungry, more energetic, and healthier. All of that leads to weight loss. I also seem to have the CO of CICO slightly raised when I avoid many carbs, and drop when I eat a lot of carbs.
Carbs lead to weight gain for me. YMMV.
I would have to ask tho how many calories are you taking in? When you compare a low carb diet to a high carbs diet and both have the same amount of calories matched then there shouldn't be a difference.
When I was losing 2-3 lbs per week (from about 190-155lbs) I was eating a 1500kcal average. To lose 2-3lbs per week I would need a 1000-1500kcal deficit which means my maintenance would be 2500-3000kcal per day (sedentary middle aged woman here).
My carbs have been creeping up to 50g per day. Sometimes over. I gained some weight on that eating around 2500 kcal per day. I dropped carbs back down and started losing again.
I just lose faster with low carbs. It's a combination of insulin resistance, autoimmune issues, and lowered appetite. It isn't a huge difference but it works out to a few pounds extra gone.
One may not expect a difference, but for me there is one.3
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