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sydney_bosque wrote: »
So... You don't eat vegetables, fruit, or lean protein?
So you didn't read the whole thread, right?
Because we already went through how no one ever says to just eat doughnuts, we just say you can eat some doughnuts and still lose weight just fine.
So, you're saying the types of calories you eat do matter. And it's not simply the deficit that makes you lose weight. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/carbohydrates-and-blood-sugar/0 -
sydney_bosque wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »sydney_bosque wrote: »Just do me a favor and research how blood sugar and insulin affect weight gain/loss. Then tell me I'm wrong. In strictly terms of a measurement of energy, yes calories are just a unit of measurement. But that's not what was implied. We are talking about calories compared with calories in different foods. And even with exercise. You can't just create a calorie deficit and lose weight. It's just not that simple.
It doesn't actually work like that. As a person of science, you should know that the burden of proof lies with you to provide sources to back up your claims. Peer reviewed scientific studies of course.
And actually, you can just create a calorie deficit and lose weight. That's exactly how it works.
Possibly at first. However, as you maintain a deficit, your body will adjust. It will shift it's metabolic processes to adapt to lesser calories. Unless you properly nourish it. I am more than happy to provide support. I simply claimed there was no valid way to "prove" me wrong because proof doesn't exist.
And after a prolonged period of calorie deficit without compensating nutrition, your body will begin to work against you and hold on to as much energy as it can. This has been studied and supported with evidence multiple times.
Please provide some of these studies.7 -
LifeLongFoodLvr wrote: »My diet consists mostly of processed foods (time constraints and frankly I like them). I eat plenty of carbs and sugar along with protein and fat. Over the last 6 months changing nothing but the number of calories I eat I've lost weight in almost the exact amount predicted by my deficit. Maybe I'm just a special snowflake <shrug>
Congrats on your weight loss!
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sydney_bosque wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »sydney_bosque wrote: »Just do me a favor and research how blood sugar and insulin affect weight gain/loss. Then tell me I'm wrong. In strictly terms of a measurement of energy, yes calories are just a unit of measurement. But that's not what was implied. We are talking about calories compared with calories in different foods. And even with exercise. You can't just create a calorie deficit and lose weight. It's just not that simple.
I've lost around 50lbs and have been in successful maintenance for several years now and yep, it really is that simple
Are you claiming that you can eat bread, sugar, and carbs and as long as you are still under your calorie goal then the weight will drop off?
Well, I sure as heck have dropped 125 lbs so far doing just that, thank you very much.11 -
You may lose weight just fine, but you can't ignore the science behind the chemical processes of how your body deals with different food sources. Long-term affects of calorie restrictions on metabolic rate= https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3943438/1
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sydney_bosque wrote: »sydney_bosque wrote: »
So... You don't eat vegetables, fruit, or lean protein?
So you didn't read the whole thread, right?
Because we already went through how no one ever says to just eat doughnuts, we just say you can eat some doughnuts and still lose weight just fine.
So, you're saying the types of calories you eat do matter. And it's not simply the deficit that makes you lose weight. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/carbohydrates-and-blood-sugar/
No I'm not. I'm saying whether you eat 1500 calories of "clean" virtuous food only, or if you eat 1500 calories of fruits, veggies, lean proteins, processed snacks, ice cream, and a beer, you will lose the same amount of weight. You can give your body the nutrition it needs, plus eat a Twinkie.
And again, you didn't read the whole thread, did you?11 -
That's simply not true. https://blog.bulletproof.com/not-the-calories-stupid-reply-to-time-magazine/. You may still lose some weight, but not as quickly. And refined foods will never help the process.0
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sydney_bosque wrote: »That's simply not true. https://blog.bulletproof.com/not-the-calories-stupid-reply-to-time-magazine/. You may still lose some weight, but not as quickly. And refined foods will never help the process.
*cough*
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10348650/cico-still-skeptical-come-inside-for-a-meticulous-log-that-proves-it/p118 -
sydney_bosque wrote: »That's simply not true. https://blog.bulletproof.com/not-the-calories-stupid-reply-to-time-magazine/. You may still lose some weight, but not as quickly. And refined foods will never help the process.
So first you set up the strawman of eating nothing but junk food.
Then you moved the goalposts by citing an article about metabolic adaptation in athletes, which has nothing to do with is a calorie a calorie.
And now you're citing a blogpost on a commercial website.
There are many many people here who lost a substantial amount of weight eating a balanced diet that included processed foods, treat foods, junk food, whatever you want to call them, at the correct calorie level.
I have always eaten a diet with plenty of whole produce and grains and lean protein, as well as plenty of frozen dinners, canned soups, ice cream, pizza, and diet soda. I have never been technically overweight, but I lost 15 vanity lbs by eating that same diet but logging my food to be sure I got my calories in line.12 -
LifeLongFoodLvr wrote: »sydney_bosque wrote: »That's simply not true. https://blog.bulletproof.com/not-the-calories-stupid-reply-to-time-magazine/. You may still lose some weight, but not as quickly. And refined foods will never help the process.
Blogs aren't peer reviewed studies and not to be taken seriously and yes, just as quickly, and lose just as much weight.
The blog cites the studies.0 -
sydney_bosque wrote: »That's simply not true. https://blog.bulletproof.com/not-the-calories-stupid-reply-to-time-magazine/. You may still lose some weight, but not as quickly. And refined foods will never help the process.
So first you set up the strawman of eating nothing but junk food.
Then you moved the goalposts by citing an article about metabolic adaptation in athletes, which has nothing to do with is a calorie a calorie.
And now you're citing a blogpost on a commercial website.
There are many many people here who lost a substantial amount of weight eating a balanced diet that included processed foods, treat foods, junk food, whatever you want to call them, at the correct calorie level.
I have always eaten a diet with plenty of whole produce and grains and lean protein, as well as plenty of frozen dinners, canned soups, ice cream, pizza, and diet soda. I have never been technically overweight, but I lost 15 vanity lbs by eating that same diet but logging my food to be sure I got my calories in line.
They claimed starvation mode is a myth. But your metabolic rate will adjust after prolonged calorie deficits, as the study shows. And obviously you cannot eat 1,500 calories of processed foods and expect it to affect your body the same as 1,500 calories of whole foods. Anyone claiming they lost weight eating processed foods, but then said it was mostly healthy food with treats sprinkled in, is not really eating as if all calories are equal.1 -
How about someone posts a scientific study that shows refined food calories are equal to complex food calories1
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I'm still stuck at the part where a degree in gardening makes a person more educated about biochemistry, physics, biology and nutrition than the rest of us.18
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Calories for weight loss/gain.
Macros for satiety, health, and some fitness goals.
Micros for health.
You keep insisting that if you really believe a calorie is a calorie, you would eat just junk. But we aren't saying eating all junk food is best for your health. We are saying that when it comes to weight loss, calories are king. You can theoretically lose weight eating nothing but junk food, but it wouldn't be a good idea because you would probably be hungry and feel like crap.
Weight loss is an energy balance equation. All calories are equal for weight loss. No one here has ever said all foods are the same for health.
Again, I have to assume you didn't read the whole thread, or any of the stickies in each of the forums.8 -
sydney_bosque wrote: »sydney_bosque wrote: »That's simply not true. https://blog.bulletproof.com/not-the-calories-stupid-reply-to-time-magazine/. You may still lose some weight, but not as quickly. And refined foods will never help the process.
So first you set up the strawman of eating nothing but junk food.
Then you moved the goalposts by citing an article about metabolic adaptation in athletes, which has nothing to do with is a calorie a calorie.
And now you're citing a blogpost on a commercial website.
There are many many people here who lost a substantial amount of weight eating a balanced diet that included processed foods, treat foods, junk food, whatever you want to call them, at the correct calorie level.
I have always eaten a diet with plenty of whole produce and grains and lean protein, as well as plenty of frozen dinners, canned soups, ice cream, pizza, and diet soda. I have never been technically overweight, but I lost 15 vanity lbs by eating that same diet but logging my food to be sure I got my calories in line.
They claimed starvation mode is a myth. But your metabolic rate will adjust after prolonged calorie deficits, as the study shows. And obviously you cannot eat 1,500 calories of processed foods and expect it to affect your body the same as 1,500 calories of whole foods. Anyone claiming they lost weight eating processed foods, but then said it was mostly healthy food with treats sprinkled in, is not really eating as if all calories are equal.
The processed food I eat doesn't affect my body any differently than any other food I might eat. Certainly it can be more calorie - dense than fresh food but I fail to see how 300 calories of canned chicken noodle soup is utilized differently than 300 calories of fresh when the same ingredients are used. Now, if you want to talk about taste, well, that's a whole different story...8 -
Calories for weight loss/gain.
Macros for satiety, health, and some fitness goals.
Micros for health.
You keep insisting that if you really believe a calorie is a calorie, you would eat just junk. But we aren't saying eating all junk food is best for your health. We are saying that when it comes to weight loss, calories are king. You can theoretically lose weight eating nothing but junk food, but it wouldn't be a good idea because you would probably be hungry and feel like crap.
Weight loss is an energy balance equation. All calories are equal for weight loss. No one here has ever said all foods are the same for health.
Again, I have to assume you didn't read the whole thread, or any of the stickies in each of the forums.
All of this, and quoting this to provide another bit of reading that was clearly overlooked...Alatariel75 wrote: »sydney_bosque wrote: »That's simply not true. https://blog.bulletproof.com/not-the-calories-stupid-reply-to-time-magazine/. You may still lose some weight, but not as quickly. And refined foods will never help the process.
*cough*
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10348650/cico-still-skeptical-come-inside-for-a-meticulous-log-that-proves-it/p1
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-you-lose-weight-wher/ this is the science behind weight loss. This process is triggered by eating low-glycemic foods. It is based on blood sugar levels. Unless your blood sugar drops, your body won't start this process. Refined foods increase blood sugar. It inhibits this process.
And I don't have a degree in gardening, anymore than a doctor has a degree in applying band aids. Obviously a lot of scientific classes were required to understand the chemistry and biology of growing plants.0 -
sydney_bosque wrote: »https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-you-lose-weight-wher/ this is the science behind weight loss. This process is triggered by eating low-glycemic foods. It is based on blood sugar levels. Unless your blood sugar drops, your body won't start this process. Refined foods increase blood sugar. It inhibits this process.
And I don't have a degree in gardening, anymore than a doctor has a degree in applying band aids. Obviously a lot of scientific classes were required to understand the chemistry and biology of growing plants.
Where in that article does it say anything about blood sugar and needing to eat low glycemic foods in order to trigger the fat loss process?
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Carlos_421 wrote: »I'm still stuck at the part where a degree in gardening makes a person more educated about biochemistry, physics, biology and nutrition than the rest of us.
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Weight loss is an energy balance equation. All calories are equal for weight loss. No one here has ever said all foods are the same for health.
Again, I have to assume you didn't read the whole thread, or any of the stickies in each of the forums.
If you read the whole thread, as well as the original post you might notice that it was not talking about weight loss.
It was showing an (just one) example of the vast nutritional bang for your buck that you could get during two days with the same caloric intake.
The illustrated analysis of the meals highlighted that while the caloric (energy) value was the same on each day one did not provide anywhere near the nutritional value and therefor was inferior in regards to health.
I can only assume you didn't read the original post.
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