Detox Cleanse - Headache Migrane Help
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I am hitting around 1400-1600 calories if vegetables are counted - is this enough?0
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thestoryofangelina wrote: »Overall goal for me - lose 150 lbs.
According to my trainer, his goal here is to get rid of the crap I was eating out of my body, in his words, the toxins. He attributes the headaches to the no caffeine and no sugar (basically going through withdrawal). It is a very strict diet but I can eat lots of fruit, veg, protein, just not carbs or grains (pasta, bread, etc). Again really sounds like Paleo to me.
you need to get a new trainer, ASAP.
the only reason you need to detox is if your liver and kidney's stop working.
why no carbs? Do you have a food allergy or medical condition?
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thestoryofangelina wrote: »Sodium is good since I am not eating anything processed and not using salt.
One thing that has always confused me is that people say higher protein, lower carbs to lose weight. I am a big person, I am at 310 and have a long way to go. And my goal for the gym is 4 days a week (2 upper, 2 lower weight sessions) and walking for cardio (30 minutes fast as I can) to start 4-5 days a week as well. Any advice on that would be helpful.
my advice..
set MFP to lose weight and use that number, which you are already doing.
ditch the cleanse/detox mentality.
Realize that carbs, pasta, breads are OK, as long as you are within your calorie and macro targets.
set protein to .65 grams per pound of body weight, .45 fats, and fill in rest with carbs/as you see fit
get on a structured lifting program like strong lifts, all pro beginner, strong curves, etc.
realize that no foods are "bad" and that there are only bad diets. no, this does not mean eat ice cream and pizza all day; it means eat foods that you let hit your calorie, micro, and macro targets and then fill in with foods you enjoy ...
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thestoryofangelina wrote: »I am hitting around 1400-1600 calories if vegetables are counted - is this enough?
Okay, that looks better. It's probably just the change in diet. It's amazing how addictive the food we eat is. Also, coming off of caffeine can cause headaches. Been there as well.0 -
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Sounds like the low carb flu. This can be bad for some and worse for others. Sometimes this can be a result of dehydration as this type of thing can have a diuretic effect.0
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thestoryofangelina wrote: »I am hitting around 1400-1600 calories if vegetables are counted - is this enough?
If mfp gives you 1900 cals, why not eat 1900 cals?4 -
TavistockToad wrote: »thestoryofangelina wrote: »I am hitting around 1400-1600 calories if vegetables are counted - is this enough?
If mfp gives you 1900 cals, why not eat 1900 cals?
This, especially if you're exercising.3 -
Your body needs some carbs for energy especially when exercising. I wouldn't want to feel sick like that all the time.1
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Your body needs some carbs for energy especially when exercising. I wouldn't want to feel sick like that all the time.
Technically, you don't need carbs. The body can make glucose through glucenogenesis. Having said that, carbs can be optimal for some people, especially people who are very active.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »eugenia94102 wrote: »I really, really don't understand why anyone would suggest that you have to stop drinking coffee on a weight loss diet. I'm not being sarcastic, I cannot phantom what the reasoning behind it is. Are you drinking enough water? Dehydration is a very common cause of headaches.
I suspect the reasoning behind the suggestion to cut out coffee for weight loss is that the caffeine is addictive, which can lead/has led to increased coffee intake. For some people, coffee means coffee plus cream plus sugar, or a large "coffee drink," and those calories add up. Cutting out or reducing intake can be a way to reduce calories if you are someone who adds a lot of extras to your drink.
Luckily, if you're tracking your food and understand CICO, this is nothing to be concerned about.
A calorie deficit is needed to lose weight. Cutting back on high calorie items, also known as enjoying them in moderation, is a helpful way to maintain a calorie deficit. Eliminating items can also be helpful for staying in a deficit, particularly for items people over consume. And even if a person was tracking their food consumption, noticing that a higher than desirable (for them) portion of their calories going to coffee beverages might prompt them to change their diet slightly to allow those calories to go towards items they feel better help them reach their goals.
Now, back to the OP, as psuLemon mentioned, you do need sodium, so low intake that could be contributing to the headaches as well. You also didn't say your height, but your calorie intake feels a little low, especially if you are exercising regularly. I tend to eat about 1800 to lose 1 lb per week with a smaller weight loss goal. You seem to be at about 1500, and given your goal, I feel like you should be eating a lot more. Have you plugged your numbers into a few different calculators? And if you are just using MFP, are you eating back any of your exercise calories?0 -
Your body needs some carbs for energy especially when exercising. I wouldn't want to feel sick like that all the time.
Technically, you don't need carbs. The body can make glucose through glucenogenesis. Having said that, carbs can be optimal for some people, especially people who are very active.
to be fair, the brain does need SOME glucose.
but no one is advocating a 0 carb diet.1 -
Your body needs some carbs for energy especially when exercising. I wouldn't want to feel sick like that all the time.
Technically, you don't need carbs. The body can make glucose through glucenogenesis. Having said that, carbs can be optimal for some people, especially people who are very active.
That is good to know. I generally follow a low carb diet for my pre-diabetes. I am very active so a need a little bit of carbs to get through. But I eat a lot pf protein.1 -
rainbowbow wrote: »Your body needs some carbs for energy especially when exercising. I wouldn't want to feel sick like that all the time.
Technically, you don't need carbs. The body can make glucose through glucenogenesis. Having said that, carbs can be optimal for some people, especially people who are very active.
to be fair, the brain does need SOME glucose.
but no one is advocating a 0 carb diet.
True. I should have stated that. I think the recommendation is at least 20g of CHO.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »eugenia94102 wrote: »I really, really don't understand why anyone would suggest that you have to stop drinking coffee on a weight loss diet. I'm not being sarcastic, I cannot phantom what the reasoning behind it is. Are you drinking enough water? Dehydration is a very common cause of headaches.
I suspect the reasoning behind the suggestion to cut out coffee for weight loss is that the caffeine is addictive, which can lead/has led to increased coffee intake. For some people, coffee means coffee plus cream plus sugar, or a large "coffee drink," and those calories add up. Cutting out or reducing intake can be a way to reduce calories if you are someone who adds a lot of extras to your drink.
Luckily, if you're tracking your food and understand CICO, this is nothing to be concerned about.
A calorie deficit is needed to lose weight. Cutting back on high calorie items, also known as enjoying them in moderation, is a helpful way to maintain a calorie deficit. Eliminating items can also be helpful for staying in a deficit, particularly for items people over consume. And even if a person was tracking their food consumption, noticing that a higher than desirable (for them) portion of their calories going to coffee beverages might prompt them to change their diet slightly to allow those calories to go towards items they feel better help them reach their goals.
You are absolutely correct, @kgeyser, and thank you for expanding on my point.
I was simply pointing out that if OP *is* adding stuff to her coffee, such as milk or creamer, and she enjoys it, she shouldn't have to cut it out if she's tracking and wants to continue to drink her coffee how she prefers it.
Obviously if you need to cut calories and you'd rather replace coffee calories with food, you should cut calories somewhere, and calorific coffee additives are a great way to do that (I myself drink my coffee black now in order to replace the ~140 calories in my coffees with food). But it is not required, and understanding CICO is a great way to help one make decisions about what to cut out or include in their own diets.
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@kgeyser - I'm starting out with the fitness and weight loss after some unsuccessful attempts. Really committed this time and just want to follow what works but be healthy. I'm 5'3, 312 lbs. Plan (once this migraine or headache hell is gone) to gym 3-4 days a week for weights, walk 4-5 days a week, 30 minutes, moderate-hard pace.
I want this to be a lifestyle change; not a fad. As for the coffee, I am in England (no creamer here) so just using skim milk and sweetener.
As for sodium, I am getting enough according to MFP (my diary is public if anyone wants to look).
Not eating back exercise calories. Drinking 2.4 - 3.0 L of water a day.0 -
thestoryofangelina wrote: »@kgeyser - I'm starting out with the fitness and weight loss after some unsuccessful attempts. Really committed this time and just want to follow what works but be healthy. I'm 5'3, 312 lbs. Plan (once this migraine or headache hell is gone) to gym 3-4 days a week for weights, walk 4-5 days a week, 30 minutes, moderate-hard pace.
I want this to be a lifestyle change; not a fad. As for the coffee, I am in England (no creamer here) so just using skim milk and sweetener.
As for sodium, I am getting enough according to MFP (my diary is public if anyone wants to look).
Not eating back exercise calories. Drinking 2.4 - 3.0 L of water a day.
Define enough? Because when some people go low carb, they need 3000-5000mg. On my low carb days, I try for 6000mg+.
Also, MFP isn't really set up for low carb, it's more set up around basic US government guidelines.1 -
thestoryofangelina wrote: »@kgeyser - I'm starting out with the fitness and weight loss after some unsuccessful attempts. Really committed this time and just want to follow what works but be healthy. I'm 5'3, 312 lbs. Plan (once this migraine or headache hell is gone) to gym 3-4 days a week for weights, walk 4-5 days a week, 30 minutes, moderate-hard pace.
I want this to be a lifestyle change; not a fad. As for the coffee, I am in England (no creamer here) so just using skim milk and sweetener.
As for sodium, I am getting enough according to MFP (my diary is public if anyone wants to look).
Not eating back exercise calories. Drinking 2.4 - 3.0 L of water a day.
This is good to know.
This makes it even more important to make small changes here and there and to learn to eat the foods you know and love in the proper portions.
Trying to completely overhaul your diet will either result in restriction/binge eating OR completely falling off the wagon altogether.
It is so important to learn the skills to know how much is appropriate to eat. At your current size the weight should be falling off and you will have more room for error in your logging. Take this opportunity to find a diet that works for you personally (meets your need, meets calories, is enjoyable, etc.) because the closer you get to a healthy weight the more strict you'll have to be with calories.4 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »thestoryofangelina wrote: »Sodium is good since I am not eating anything processed and not using salt.
One thing that has always confused me is that people say higher protein, lower carbs to lose weight. I am a big person, I am at 310 and have a long way to go. And my goal for the gym is 4 days a week (2 upper, 2 lower weight sessions) and walking for cardio (30 minutes fast as I can) to start 4-5 days a week as well. Any advice on that would be helpful.
I will join the echo chamber and say that you don't have to go low carb to lose weight, and your trainer is full of crap. Trainers are generally not very educated on nutrition - they may be able to show you good squat form, but when they start talking about cleansing the "toxins" in your body, that's when you should stop listening. Cleansing/detoxing is not a real thing. It's a marketing/buzz word that was created to sell expensive complicated diet plans to people trying to lose weight and get healthy.
All you need to worry about is eating a calorie deficit. Hit your MFP calorie goals. It's great to eat lots of veggies and good sources of protein and healthy fats, but you don't have to restrict yourself so much. Enjoy your coffee (if you add milk or creamer, just log it), you can still have sweets as long as you're hitting your goals.
You have a liver and kidneys for a reason. There is no need to make weight loss more complicated. The trainer has a vested interest in making it harder with more "rules", since if you believe it's that hard, you'll pay more money to keep coming back to him. Get out of that trap now!
Good luck!
To point out, the OP is in EN, and their trainer requirements are significantly more stringent than the US and they have a ton more education than the US.
Intwresting. I know in the US trainers genreally are not allowed to give anything but very genreal nutrition information and can't specify a diet for a client. Is that not the case in EN?
I generally don't do this, but tagging @AdamAthletic for his expertise on educational requirements in EN on training/nutrition.
In the U.K. as a trainer I certainly wouldn't ever 'prescribe' a cleanse.
First and foremost because there isn't a benefit to them but secondly because a PT isn't actually qualified to give out nutritional prescriptions.
As a sports nutritionist I would certainly never recommend a 'cleanse'.
But yes, Lemon is totally correct - a PT in the U.K. is only allowed to offer very general advice and guidance - anything further for 'weight loss' has to be prescribed by a qualified and registered dietician.
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AmberSpamber wrote: »thestoryofangelina wrote: »I am hitting around 1400-1600 calories if vegetables are counted - is this enough?
Okay, that looks better. It's probably just the change in diet. It's amazing how addictive the food we eat is. Also, coming off of caffeine can cause headaches. Been there as well.
no, it is not.3 -
Is your trainer a licensed nutritionist? You should probably get on dialisis If you have all of these toxins in your body before you go septic and die. Your trainer is trying to starve you so that you see an increase in weight loss then trust his practice so that he will then have repeat business and maybe even introduce new clients. That's it.3
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It seems like your trainer is not properly trained. He is giving you a one diet fits all approach, because he was lied to, and told that works. If he is qualified you need to use him only for PT, and not nutrition, there are professionals for that, and they don't use buzzwords like detox, cleanse and toxins to scare you in to eating a certain way.
Don't be discourage by this, you can do it! If you are saying it's not going well already, they are just setting you up to fail! If you don't want to get somebody to help you with your nutrition, there is a lot of great advice on here, you just have to wade through the crap to get there, and realize the arguing you see is because the people care about the right information being out there. When you go into a thread, look for the posts that people have information to back up their claims, and that keep calm while doing it. There are a lot of people who believe something they read in a magazine, and will preach it until they are blue in the face.0 -
Eat that!!!thestoryofangelina wrote: »MFP Goals are for loss of 2 pounds a week:
Calories: 1,930
Carbs: 50%
Proteins: 20%
Fats: 30%
Caffeine headaches don't last for ten days.
Point is that you likely aren't getting enough sodium. Not that you're getting too much.thestoryofangelina wrote: »Sodium is good since I am not eating anything processed and not using salt.
One thing that has always confused me is that people say higher protein, lower carbs to lose weight. I am a big person, I am at 310 and have a long way to go. And my goal for the gym is 4 days a week (2 upper, 2 lower weight sessions) and walking for cardio (30 minutes fast as I can) to start 4-5 days a week as well. Any advice on that would be helpful.1 -
For some people, cleanses can be beneficial, as long as they're done well. Since this cleanse is based on eating whole foods rather than a fasting cleanse, it sounds like one of the better ones. Please keep in mind that the ultimate purpose of cleansing is not weight loss, but based on the idea that while your body does have awesome filtering systems, they weren't designed to handle air pollution, pesticides and hundreds of chemical additives in our foods, heavy metals in our beauty supplies. Cleansing is meant to give your body's natural filters time to rest and catch up on processing the poisons in your system by exposing yourself to the easiest to process foods only in their most natural state. There are a lot of people who will tell you that cleanses are useless or even harmful, and some cleanses are, but a whole foods based cleanse is a wonderful thing if your goal is overall health.
With that being said, if your salt levels are too low that can cause dehydration or water toxicity which could be one possible cause of headaches. If it's caffeine related, talk to your trainer about 1-2 cups of green tea per day for the remainder of your cleanse which could ease your symptoms with a low dose of gentler caffeine. Lastly, the length of your cleanse is important. Eating at this much of a deficit for more than a couple weeks is unhealthy. If it's more than a couple more days, increase your protein and fat sources (adding a couple eggs might be a good idea) and maybe more high carb fruit/veggie options.0 -
thestoryofangelina wrote: »Overall goal for me - lose 150 lbs.
According to my trainer, his goal here is to get rid of the crap I was eating out of my body, in his words, the toxins. He attributes the headaches to the no caffeine and no sugar (basically going through withdrawal). It is a very strict diet but I can eat lots of fruit, veg, protein, just not carbs or grains (pasta, bread, etc). Again really sounds like Paleo to me.
you need to get a new trainer, ASAP.
the only reason you need to detox is if your liver and kidney's stop working.
why no carbs? Do you have a food allergy or medical condition?
Because carbs are the devil and after the year 2001-2002 or so they started making you magically gain weight even if while in a calorie deficit.1 -
For some people, cleanses can be beneficial, as long as they're done well. Since this cleanse is based on eating whole foods rather than a fasting cleanse, it sounds like one of the better ones. Please keep in mind that the ultimate purpose of cleansing is not weight loss, but based on the idea that while your body does have awesome filtering systems, they weren't designed to handle air pollution, pesticides and hundreds of chemical additives in our foods, heavy metals in our beauty supplies. Cleansing is meant to give your body's natural filters time to rest and catch up on processing the poisons in your system by exposing yourself to the easiest to process foods only in their most natural state. There are a lot of people who will tell you that cleanses are useless or even harmful, and some cleanses are, but a whole foods based cleanse is a wonderful thing if your goal is overall health.
With that being said, if your salt levels are too low that can cause dehydration or water toxicity which could be one possible cause of headaches. If it's caffeine related, talk to your trainer about 1-2 cups of green tea per day for the remainder of your cleanse which could ease your symptoms with a low dose of gentler caffeine. Lastly, the length of your cleanse is important. Eating at this much of a deficit for more than a couple weeks is unhealthy. If it's more than a couple more days, increase your protein and fat sources (adding a couple eggs might be a good idea) and maybe more high carb fruit/veggie options.
No.
If there were so many toxins in your body that your liver and kidneys need a "break" in order to filter them all out, you'd need a hospital, not a cleanse.12 -
OP, my opinion is if you are going to stay on this diet add coffee back in and up your sodium. There is no reason to suffer through everyday like you have been. You will no doubt eventually "fall off the wagon" if this new lifestyle change makes you miserable.3
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For some people, cleanses can be beneficial, as long as they're done well. Since this cleanse is based on eating whole foods rather than a fasting cleanse, it sounds like one of the better ones. Please keep in mind that the ultimate purpose of cleansing is not weight loss, but based on the idea that while your body does have awesome filtering systems, they weren't designed to handle air pollution, pesticides and hundreds of chemical additives in our foods, heavy metals in our beauty supplies. Cleansing is meant to give your body's natural filters time to rest and catch up on processing the poisons in your system by exposing yourself to the easiest to process foods only in their most natural state. There are a lot of people who will tell you that cleanses are useless or even harmful, and some cleanses are, but a whole foods based cleanse is a wonderful thing if your goal is overall health.
With that being said, if your salt levels are too low that can cause dehydration or water toxicity which could be one possible cause of headaches. If it's caffeine related, talk to your trainer about 1-2 cups of green tea per day for the remainder of your cleanse which could ease your symptoms with a low dose of gentler caffeine. Lastly, the length of your cleanse is important. Eating at this much of a deficit for more than a couple weeks is unhealthy. If it's more than a couple more days, increase your protein and fat sources (adding a couple eggs might be a good idea) and maybe more high carb fruit/veggie options.
So wouldn't they need to go makeup free, and live in a purified bubble to "cleanse" then? I changing your diet isn't going to make the pollution, pesticides and metal in your makeup go away. I mean really, why don't people think of these things, when offering up that as a reason why you need this cleanse
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Carlos_421 wrote: »No.
If there were so many toxins in your body that your liver and kidneys need a "break" in order to filter them all out, you'd need a hospital, not a cleanse.
Please explain why cancer, food allergies, and many other diseases are almost nonexistent among the Amish.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »No.
If there were so many toxins in your body that your liver and kidneys need a "break" in order to filter them all out, you'd need a hospital, not a cleanse.
Please explain why cancer, food allergies, and many other diseases are almost nonexistent among the Amish.
So why not go be Amish instead of a bogus "cleanse?"6
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