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Flu shots? For them or against ?
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GaleHawkins wrote: »nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/August-2012/labor-unions-oppose-mandatory-flu-shots-as-ama-che.aspx
When doctors and nurses line up on their own free will to get flu shots each year then I think there will be more validity in getting flu shots. As long as the informed medical community has reasons to hesitate so will most others that weigh the pros and cons of the flu shots.
As one with an autoimmune disease and health care background I hear the pressure to get the flu shot each year.
To get or not get an annual flu shot is not backed up by concrete medical evidence.
https://cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm
"Does the flu vaccine work the same for everyone?
No......
In general, the flu vaccine works best among healthy adults and older children. Some older people and people with certain chronic illnesses might develop less immunity than healthy children and adults after vaccination."
As all can read if one is unhealthy and or very young we are not to expect as much protection.
As it stands today to get a flu shot or not is more of an emotional decision than a medical decision since there is no compelling medical evidence as what to do.
So....Perhaps the answer,then,is for healthy adults to get the vaccine and protect the rest of us?4 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/August-2012/labor-unions-oppose-mandatory-flu-shots-as-ama-che.aspx
When doctors and nurses line up on their own free will to get flu shots each year then I think there will be more validity in getting flu shots. As long as the informed medical community has reasons to hesitate so will most others that weigh the pros and cons of the flu shots.
As one with an autoimmune disease and health care background I hear the pressure to get the flu shot each year.
To get or not get an annual flu shot is not backed up by concrete medical evidence.
https://cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm
"Does the flu vaccine work the same for everyone?
No......
In general, the flu vaccine works best among healthy adults and older children. Some older people and people with certain chronic illnesses might develop less immunity than healthy children and adults after vaccination."
As all can read if one is unhealthy and or very young we are not to expect as much protection.
As it stands today to get a flu shot or not is more of an emotional decision than a medical decision since there is no compelling medical evidence as what to do.
So....Perhaps the answer,then,is for healthy adults to get the vaccine and protect the rest of us?
Since the validity of vaccine for any given year is not knowable healthy adults are free to do as they wish I guess.0 -
My children do get flu shots every year. Their annual physicals always take place late summer or early fall, around the time the doctors get the vaccine in...so since we're already in the office, they get the shot (or mist, if it's deemed effective...this year it was shots only).
I never get the flu shot. I suppose I am relying on herd immunity from my family. For me it would mean a special trip to the doctor for the shot, and I never seem to fit it in. So far I've been lucky.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/August-2012/labor-unions-oppose-mandatory-flu-shots-as-ama-che.aspx
When doctors and nurses line up on their own free will to get flu shots each year then I think there will be more validity in getting flu shots. As long as the informed medical community has reasons to hesitate so will most others that weigh the pros and cons of the flu shots.
Well I know I can t speak for all doctors and nurses everywhere - but certainly in places I have worked doctors and nurse do nearly all choose to get them..
Where I work now is private practice, we do not have to do so - but everyone does.
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My children do get flu shots every year. Their annual physicals always take place late summer or early fall, around the time the doctors get the vaccine in...so since we're already in the office, they get the shot (or mist, if it's deemed effective...this year it was shots only).
I never get the flu shot. I suppose I am relying on herd immunity from my family. For me it would mean a special trip to the doctor for the shot, and I never seem to fit it in. So far I've been lucky.
Can you not get it when you take your children to get theirs???
I guess I don't know how your medical system works but that would seem obvious answer to me?
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secret_despair30 wrote: »TravisinCanada wrote: »Population control
You all go right ahead and get that shot of whatever the hell it is that you don't know what they are putting in you.
I will be the guy letting my body do what it is suppose to do (keep me alive).
By the way what do the long term studies say about the Flu shot again? Oh wait there aren't any.
YES, finally somebody said it (in the midst of the poorly educated)!!!!
Ive learned that the us government is funding the whole "we must 'vaccinate' everyone! Its their secret agenda for depopulation for sure. People love free, so why is it free? Think about it! They get people to WANT it, and are told lies. In fact, its probably not even the vaccine" at all, but one of the sneaky ways they are implanting people with the rfid microchip to track people!!!! There gave been tests done to prove this! My (low income) doctors always push for me to get one, but im very strong when I tell them a big fat NO, and I know better!!!! I haven't had the flu OR the "flu shot" since I was a kid, and I take supplements to boost my immune system, plus a good diet. Wake up people....u are being deceived!!!!
I do hope this is satire.
Surely nobody really believes this conspiracy nonsense
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I'm not against them but I really haven't had the flu since I was a kid so I always put it off, and don't get them myself.0
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I'm 61, and I've been getting one every year with no reactions for the last 15+ years. Also got pneumonia and shingles vaccines. Just one minor bout with the flu a few years back.3
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To each their own...I have never gotten a flu shot. And I don't ever remember getting the flu.2
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1. The shot doesn't protect against all strains of flu. So you may still get flu. It doesn't mean the vaccine isn't working.
2. The shot doesn't make you ill (with one or two exceptions.
3. Flu can make you extremely ill
4. The fact that you've never had a shot and have never had the flu are unconnected
5. Yes,immunosuppressed people may have a harder time producing antibodies and the shot may therefore be less effective.
6. That's why IMO it's responsible and considerate for healthy adults to get the shot.7 -
My children do get flu shots every year. Their annual physicals always take place late summer or early fall, around the time the doctors get the vaccine in...so since we're already in the office, they get the shot (or mist, if it's deemed effective...this year it was shots only).
I never get the flu shot. I suppose I am relying on herd immunity from my family. For me it would mean a special trip to the doctor for the shot, and I never seem to fit it in. So far I've been lucky.
If you are in the US, many pharmacies offer them on a walk-in basis. It's easy to fit in with other errands.2 -
I get the shot every year, knowing that the strains it protects against are an educated guess. I've just recovered (with complications) from a vaient that's not covered (type A I think) but I'm thankful im covered for whatever else is going around. If I got sick again with another strain I'd end up in the hospital.2
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I had the flu in April 2016. It put me in the hospital on IV's in 12 hours after falling ill. I now get why people die from the flu. So this year I was told by my doctor that I will be gettting a flu shot. I did.2
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My children do get flu shots every year. Their annual physicals always take place late summer or early fall, around the time the doctors get the vaccine in...so since we're already in the office, they get the shot (or mist, if it's deemed effective...this year it was shots only).
I never get the flu shot. I suppose I am relying on herd immunity from my family. For me it would mean a special trip to the doctor for the shot, and I never seem to fit it in. So far I've been lucky.
You know, nearly every pharmacy offers these as well, including the ones in stores such as Walmart, Target, Walgreens, CVS, etc. You can do them walk-in or call ahead.1 -
Got it for the first year this winter as work arranged it for us, made absolutely no difference to my health positively or negatively. Only ever had flu maybe once in my adult life but I did try to work through it and ended up with pneumonia so I can see where it would benefit others.
Does it annoy anyone else when people have the sniffles or a bit of cold and refer to it as flu?
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tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Got it for the first year this winter as work arranged it for us, made absolutely no difference to my health positively or negatively. Only ever had flu maybe once in my adult life but I did try to work through it and ended up with pneumonia so I can see where it would benefit others.
Does it annoy anyone else when people have the sniffles or a bit of cold and refer to it as flu?
OH MY GOSH YES!
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tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Got it for the first year this winter as work arranged it for us, made absolutely no difference to my health positively or negatively. Only ever had flu maybe once in my adult life but I did try to work through it and ended up with pneumonia so I can see where it would benefit others.
Does it annoy anyone else when people have the sniffles or a bit of cold and refer to it as flu?
OH MY GOSH YES!
Yup!2 -
Glad it's not just me! Also when people complain the doctor won't prescribe anti-biotics for their viral infection *facepalm*2
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tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Got it for the first year this winter as work arranged it for us, made absolutely no difference to my health positively or negatively. Only ever had flu maybe once in my adult life but I did try to work through it and ended up with pneumonia so I can see where it would benefit others.
Does it annoy anyone else when people have the sniffles or a bit of cold and refer to it as flu?
Hell yeah!
Especially if you have a cold (as I currently do, bloody annoying) and everyone's asking you how your flu's going...
Not at all, thank you very much. This cold however, I'll need to get checked out as it might be heading towards a bronchitis if not worse...1 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Glad it's not just me! Also when people complain the doctor won't prescribe anti-biotics for their viral infection *facepalm*
Every physician I've seen in the past 5-7 years has tested first before prescribing antibiotics. I can usually identify something as bacterial or viral correctly without tests, but I was wrong once (and right 1-2 times per year for the last several years). That's a pretty good record.
To be fair, my state has some of the worst water in the country and it is almost always the same bacterial skin infection from showering. Any open area on my skin becomes a risk, and as a diabetic, there is always an open spot. In the 1-2 times per year when it gets bad enough to need a prescription, it has already been infected for a week or 2 already and isn't getting any better on its own. At that point, I already know what it is because it isn't the first time.1 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Glad it's not just me! Also when people complain the doctor won't prescribe anti-biotics for their viral infection *facepalm*
Or insist that using anti bacterial hand gel will protect them against viruses. Um no - just wash your hands properly!1 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Glad it's not just me! Also when people complain the doctor won't prescribe anti-biotics for their viral infection *facepalm*
Or insist that using anti bacterial hand gel will protect them against viruses. Um no - just wash your hands properly!
Ha! We have a sign up in the restrooms at work (continuously for the last 2 years summer and winter). "Cold and flu season is upon us, before you leave the restroom please be sure you wash your hands." And every time I see it I want to replace it with "Cold and flu season is upon us, have the courtesy not to cough and sneeze on your coworkers. And by the way, wash your hands on the way out so you don't spread e. coli around."2 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Glad it's not just me! Also when people complain the doctor won't prescribe anti-biotics for their viral infection *facepalm*
Or insist that using anti bacterial hand gel will protect them against viruses. Um no - just wash your hands properly!
Ha! We have a sign up in the restrooms at work (continuously for the last 2 years summer and winter). "Cold and flu season is upon us, before you leave the restroom please be sure you wash your hands." And every time I see it I want to replace it with "Cold and flu season is upon us, have the courtesy not to cough and sneeze on your coworkers. And by the way, wash your hands on the way out so you don't spread e. coli around."
Yup! Too many words to fit on a sign though!
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A woman told me her son got autism from vaccines . Her other child is unvaccinated and is fine .3
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finny11122 wrote: »A woman told me her son got autism from vaccines . Her other child is unvaccinated and is fine .
She might believe that vaccines cause autism, but that doesn't make it true.7 -
finny11122 wrote: »A woman told me her son got autism from vaccines . Her other child is unvaccinated and is fine .
Yes, the bogus study that just won't DIE! Not only is it fear-mongering, it's guilt-mongering for the parents who vaccinated their children and later learned they were autistic. Unrelated, but there's this old discredited study out there that's telling them it's your fault5 -
I've had 3 headshakes from doctors this year when I decline the shot. After the year they guessed wrong and most people got an ineffective flu shot, I sort of lost my faith in that system.4
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I've had 3 headshakes from doctors this year when I decline the shot. After the year they guessed wrong and most people got an ineffective flu shot, I sort of lost my faith in that system.
Serious question - so you would rather risk getting the flu every year, than get the vaccine and risk the occasional year that the shot doesn't protect against the flu bug that's going around?3 -
I've had 3 headshakes from doctors this year when I decline the shot. After the year they guessed wrong and most people got an ineffective flu shot, I sort of lost my faith in that system.
Serious question - so you would rather risk getting the flu every year, than get the vaccine and risk the occasional year that the shot doesn't protect against the flu bug that's going around?
Also, why? Is it the cost? Fear of needles? Or just that doing so requires taking time out of your schedule to go to a dr. or pharmacy?
ETA: Before my employer provided it, I wouldn't get it because of the effort I had to go through. I looked at every major pharmacy within a 200 mile radius and none of them would accept assignment of benefits for my insurance, which covered it at 100%. So my options were:
1. Go to the Dr., pay a co-pay for the dr. visit and get the shot.
2. Go to a pharmacy, pay for it out of pocket, then file a claim for direct reimbursement with my health insurance.
I didn't want to spend the money and I didn't want to deal with the paperwork to get reimbursed. Those years, I didn't get the shot.
That was only 1 year when my employer didn't offer it. Before that, and since then, they contract with a local pharmacy to come in and give everyone a shot who wants it. The employer covers the cost and I get it at work so it is conveniently located and scheduled. I have no fear of needles (I test my own BG and my diabetic cat's BG; and have given myself thousands of injections and have given my cat injections).1
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