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Flu shots? For them or against ?
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comptonelizabeth wrote: »Jordan,
great question!
I always thought I would probably get the flu shots later in my life to give me a fighting chance, but deep down, I'm against them.
I can't remember 100% why though, I did a basic research years ago and found something to do with your immune system fights better by itself and although I can see the benefits if your immune system is already compromised then it may be a no-brainier, but I read so many bad reports how people seem to get it really bad after they've had a flu jab!?
That's the one that really puts me off, this was years ago mind you and I don't know if flu jabs have improved in many ways or not?
I'm probably one of those that will never take the flu jab and hope to maintain a physical and mental fitness instead and then wish when I do get the flu, that I had taken the jabs!! ;-)
Or maybe after you've infected someone else who is vulnerable.......
I'm pretty sure that people who went through the 1918 flu epidemic would strongly disagree with this philosophy and would have loved to see their loved ones survive because of a simple little needle.3 -
tmoneyag99 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »Jordan,
great question!
I always thought I would probably get the flu shots later in my life to give me a fighting chance, but deep down, I'm against them.
I can't remember 100% why though, I did a basic research years ago and found something to do with your immune system fights better by itself and although I can see the benefits if your immune system is already compromised then it may be a no-brainier, but I read so many bad reports how people seem to get it really bad after they've had a flu jab!?
That's the one that really puts me off, this was years ago mind you and I don't know if flu jabs have improved in many ways or not?
I'm probably one of those that will never take the flu jab and hope to maintain a physical and mental fitness instead and then wish when I do get the flu, that I had taken the jabs!! ;-)
Or maybe after you've infected someone else who is vulnerable.......
I'm pretty sure that people who went through the 1918 flu epidemic would strongly disagree with this philosophy and would have loved to see their loved ones survive because of a simple little needle.
Um,do you mean my philosophy or the person before me? Confused!0 -
@amyrebeccah
Thank you so much for the info on the egg free inoculation. As you can see above DH is allergic to egg. We want to have another baby so his ability to get the flu shot is huge when that time comes. As I am sure you know pregnant women and newborns are among those that flu is very risky.2 -
For! I'm a teacher so I'm exposed to all kinds of germs each year. My work has a day where they come and give it after school. I was certainly glad I got it this year. My mom and brother caught it over Christmas but because my dad and I had had it we didn't become sick.
The shot's not for everyone though. I've had a couple co-workers actually get the flu or a week's of flu like illness from the flu shot this year. (Maybe their immune system is bad?)0 -
I had the flu once. I would cough until I gagged and often vomited. I've been vaccinated annually ever since. The injection isn't live, so anyone claiming to catch it form the vaccine is lying or grossly misinformed. The single dose ingredients are not that significant if you look into the other places they exist (and in higher amounts).
I'm also vaccinated for rabies (veterinary job) and let me tell you, /those/ made me sore and feel like crap for days. Still better than rabies.4 -
sammieb1228 wrote: »For! I'm a teacher so I'm exposed to all kinds of germs each year. My work has a day where they come and give it after school. I was certainly glad I got it this year. My mom and brother caught it over Christmas but because my dad and I had had it we didn't become sick.
The shot's not for everyone though. I've had a couple co-workers actually get the flu or a week's of flu like illness from the flu shot this year. (Maybe their immune system is bad?)
Impossible to get the flu from the shot as the virus is deax1 -
Never had the shot. Couldn't say I'm for or against it. It just isn't something I even think of really.1
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singingflutelady wrote: »Impossible to get the flu from the shot as the virus is deax
That's what I've always heard but this one particular lady just started getting it two years ago and the day after both times she's gotten very sick. Maybe a reaction to it or a coincidence.
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Never had it and probably never will.2
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Definitely for. I work in a high care nursing home and have sen firsthand how quickly influenza can rip through a place like that. We put infection control into practice but all it takes is for one person to pass it onto a relative or a client and bang every single person in that ward is sick. Our residents are elderly and immunosuppressd. The flu can be fatal to them.
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I am totally in favor of you people getting the flu shot. That's because I invest in public corporations that supply flu shots. As for me, nope!
Flu shots are of little value, but get it anyway.
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I've never had a flu shot in my life. Not sure if they help or not. I stil with taking vitamin C on a regular basis, and adding all the colour fruit & veg into my diet, especially when it gets cold.2
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I find it hard to see all the 'well I won't vaccinate because I've never had x disease, it makes the immune system stronger'. Realising it's other people who have been sensible protecting them.
I know, in my family and friends;- Someone who was disabled through polio
- Someone who was made completely deaf though measles
- Someone who was left infertile by mumps
- Someone who needed surgery after influenza damaged their heart.
These were the ones who all survived. I'd call none of them stronger than before.
I work in a healthcare environment, and live in a big city, I am not a hermit. I am in a position to reduce the risk so I will do so, not just for people I know (like bringing stuff home to my family) but patients and just people on the tube.
Eating oranges will not protect you against a potentially fatal disease
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burtmccleary wrote: »I am totally in favor of you people getting the flu shot. That's because I invest in public corporations that supply flu shots. As for me, nope!
Flu shots are of little value, but get it anyway.
They don't protect against all strains of flu,that's true,but what evidence do you have that they're of "little value "?1 -
finny11122 wrote: »Big Pharma settle cases out of court every year . Pay people off to keep them quiet . It's a billion dollar industry to sell vaccines . Just ask people privately that work in these places and they will tell you all the horror stories .
Citation please.
I work for big pharma. Can you please direct me to the office that issues said payment?3 -
finny11122 wrote: »Big Pharma settle cases out of court every year . Pay people off to keep them quiet . It's a billion dollar industry to sell vaccines . Just ask people privately that work in these places and they will tell you all the horror stories .
Citation please.
I work for big pharma. Can you please direct me to the office that issues said payment?
This person may be referring to this: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/
But this couldn't accurately be described as "big pharma" settling cases out of court. The fund was specifically developed to ensure that companies could continue to develop and sell vaccines without being targeted by lawsuits. The companies aren't involved in the administration of the fund so I'm not sure what "horror stories" their employees could possibly have for us.
For this reason, I'm really doubtful about those claims -- it doesn't match how compensation works if one is injured by a vaccine. You *can't* sue in the US for vaccine injury unless there was a lapse in testing or it was administered incorrectly.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Big Pharma settle cases out of court every year . Pay people off to keep them quiet . It's a billion dollar industry to sell vaccines . Just ask people privately that work in these places and they will tell you all the horror stories .
Citation please.
I work for big pharma. Can you please direct me to the office that issues said payment?
This person may be referring to this: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/
But this couldn't accurately be described as "big pharma" settling cases out of court. The fund was specifically developed to ensure that companies could continue to develop and sell vaccines without being targeted by lawsuits. The companies aren't involved in the administration of the fund so I'm not sure what "horror stories" their employees could possibly have for us.
For this reason, I'm really doubtful about those claims -- it doesn't match how compensation works if one is injured by a vaccine. You *can't* sue in the US for vaccine injury unless there was a lapse in testing or it was administered incorrectly.
This isn't settlement or hush money. The Vaccine Compensation fund was a political creation to keep the big pharma and the trial lawyer lobbies happy, while maintaining the flow of political contributions.
Oh I have some horror stories to share, but most of these have to do with off label practices.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Big Pharma settle cases out of court every year . Pay people off to keep them quiet . It's a billion dollar industry to sell vaccines . Just ask people privately that work in these places and they will tell you all the horror stories .
Citation please.
I work for big pharma. Can you please direct me to the office that issues said payment?
This person may be referring to this: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/
But this couldn't accurately be described as "big pharma" settling cases out of court. The fund was specifically developed to ensure that companies could continue to develop and sell vaccines without being targeted by lawsuits. The companies aren't involved in the administration of the fund so I'm not sure what "horror stories" their employees could possibly have for us.
For this reason, I'm really doubtful about those claims -- it doesn't match how compensation works if one is injured by a vaccine. You *can't* sue in the US for vaccine injury unless there was a lapse in testing or it was administered incorrectly.
This isn't settlement or hush money. The Vaccine Compensation fund was a political creation to keep the big pharma and the trial lawyer lobbies happy, while maintaining the flow of political contributions.
Oh I have some horror stories to share, but most of these have to do with off label practices.
I agree that this wouldn't be settlement or hush money, I apologize for being unclear in my wording.1 -
I have gotten one every year for the past 25 years. For the past 25 years, I have had the flu exactly once, and that was a year widely acknowledged as one where they got the strain wrong. I would get the flu every year before I started getting vaccinated. Three times I had pneumonia develop as a secondary infection from the flu. Now that I'm a part-time care giver for my elderly father, it's more important than ever. Flu kills. I believe it's foolish and irresponsible not to do your best to avoid spreading a disease responsible for tens of thousands of deaths worldwide every year when you can do something about it.
(No, I'm not talking about people allergic to the ingredients or people who for whatever other health reasons don't respond well to vaccines or whose physicians have advised them not to take it, obviously.)4 -
I never had anything against them but I never got one. Then a couple of years ago I was so sick with the flu I thought i was going to die. I've gotten one every year since. Better safe than sorry.1
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Big Pharma settle cases out of court every year . Pay people off to keep them quiet . It's a billion dollar industry to sell vaccines . Just ask people privately that work in these places and they will tell you all the horror stories .
Citation please.
I work for big pharma. Can you please direct me to the office that issues said payment?
This person may be referring to this: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/
But this couldn't accurately be described as "big pharma" settling cases out of court. The fund was specifically developed to ensure that companies could continue to develop and sell vaccines without being targeted by lawsuits. The companies aren't involved in the administration of the fund so I'm not sure what "horror stories" their employees could possibly have for us.
For this reason, I'm really doubtful about those claims -- it doesn't match how compensation works if one is injured by a vaccine. You *can't* sue in the US for vaccine injury unless there was a lapse in testing or it was administered incorrectly.
This isn't settlement or hush money. The Vaccine Compensation fund was a political creation to keep the big pharma and the trial lawyer lobbies happy, while maintaining the flow of political contributions.
Oh I have some horror stories to share, but most of these have to do with off label practices.
I agree that this wouldn't be settlement or hush money, I apologize for being unclear in my wording.
None needed. That point was more directed to any and all conspiracy theorists.
I understand the allure of the conspiracy, but one really has to do the work and connect those dots.0 -
Am update on my recovery from flu is that I saw the doctor today -I have a cracked rib and a hernia,from coughing.
Flu is no picnic. If a vaccine can protect you,and vulnerable people you may come into contact with,to me it's a no brained.8 -
TravisinCanada wrote: »Population control
You all go right ahead and get that shot of whatever the hell it is that you don't know what they are putting in you.
I will be the guy letting my body do what it is suppose to do (keep me alive).
By the way what do the long term studies say about the Flu shot again? Oh wait there aren't any.
YES, finally somebody said it (in the midst of the poorly educated)!!!!
Ive learned that the us government is funding the whole "we must 'vaccinate' everyone! Its their secret agenda for depopulation for sure. People love free, so why is it free? Think about it! They get people to WANT it, and are told lies. In fact, its probably not even the vaccine" at all, but one of the sneaky ways they are implanting people with the rfid microchip to track people!!!! There gave been tests done to prove this! My (low income) doctors always push for me to get one, but im very strong when I tell them a big fat NO, and I know better!!!! I haven't had the flu OR the "flu shot" since I was a kid, and I take supplements to boost my immune system, plus a good diet. Wake up people....u are being deceived!!!!3 -
secret_despair30 wrote: »TravisinCanada wrote: »Population control
You all go right ahead and get that shot of whatever the hell it is that you don't know what they are putting in you.
I will be the guy letting my body do what it is suppose to do (keep me alive).
By the way what do the long term studies say about the Flu shot again? Oh wait there aren't any.
YES, finally somebody said it (in the midst of the poorly educated)!!!!
Ive learned that the us government is funding the whole "we must 'vaccinate' everyone! Its their secret agenda for depopulation for sure. People love free, so why is it free? Think about it! They get people to WANT it, and are told lies. In fact, its probably not even the vaccine" at all, but one of the sneaky ways they are implanting people with the rfid microchip to track people!!!! There gave been tests done to prove this! My (low income) doctors always push for me to get one, but im very strong when I tell them a big fat NO, and I know better!!!! I haven't had the flu OR the "flu shot" since I was a kid, and I take supplements to boost my immune system, plus a good diet. Wake up people....u are being deceived!!!!
What?!?4 -
My flu shots aren't free. My insurance covers them, but I have to pay my insurance premiums. Better than paying for OTC flu symptoms meds that don't do crap, missing work for weeks at the time, winding up in the hospital, etc etc etc.
My son could die if he got the flu. He's 5 years old and has reactive airway disorder. Why should I chance that? Get the freaking shot. There is no government conspiracy.6 -
jagodfrey08 wrote: »My flu shots aren't free. My insurance covers them, but I have to pay my insurance premiums. Better than paying for OTC flu symptoms meds that don't do crap, missing work for weeks at the time, winding up in the hospital, etc etc etc.
My son could die if he got the flu. He's 5 years old and has reactive airway disorder. Why should I chance that? Get the freaking shot. There is no government conspiracy.
This.
I have an autoimmune disorder and am on 3 different meds which suppress my immune system.secret_despair30 wrote: »TravisinCanada wrote: »Population control
You all go right ahead and get that shot of whatever the hell it is that you don't know what they are putting in you.
I will be the guy letting my body do what it is suppose to do (keep me alive).
By the way what do the long term studies say about the Flu shot again? Oh wait there aren't any.
YES, finally somebody said it (in the midst of the poorly educated)!!!!
Ive learned that the us government is funding the whole "we must 'vaccinate' everyone! Its their secret agenda for depopulation for sure. People love free, so why is it free? Think about it! They get people to WANT it, and are told lies. In fact, its probably not even the vaccine" at all, but one of the sneaky ways they are implanting people with the rfid microchip to track people!!!! There gave been tests done to prove this! My (low income) doctors always push for me to get one, but im very strong when I tell them a big fat NO, and I know better!!!! I haven't had the flu OR the "flu shot" since I was a kid, and I take supplements to boost my immune system, plus a good diet. Wake up people....u are being deceived!!!!
Not everyone is able to follow a "good" diet and supplements,which *may*support your immune system (most of which I can't take either) are no defence against flu. You've just been lucky. I hope your luck continues. I am recovering from flu and it's left me
weak and with cracked ribs from coughing. My sister,who is on chemo,is currently in hospital with pneumonia as a result of flu.7 -
Never touch the stuff2
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secret_despair30 wrote: »TravisinCanada wrote: »Population control
You all go right ahead and get that shot of whatever the hell it is that you don't know what they are putting in you.
I will be the guy letting my body do what it is suppose to do (keep me alive).
By the way what do the long term studies say about the Flu shot again? Oh wait there aren't any.
YES, finally somebody said it (in the midst of the poorly educated)!!!!
Ive learned that the us government is funding the whole "we must 'vaccinate' everyone! Its their secret agenda for depopulation for sure. People love free, so why is it free? Think about it! They get people to WANT it, and are told lies. In fact, its probably not even the vaccine" at all, but one of the sneaky ways they are implanting people with the rfid microchip to track people!!!! There gave been tests done to prove this! My (low income) doctors always push for me to get one, but im very strong when I tell them a big fat NO, and I know better!!!! I haven't had the flu OR the "flu shot" since I was a kid, and I take supplements to boost my immune system, plus a good diet. Wake up people....u are being deceived!!!!
Hmmm ... I have a Master's degree in information science, qualifying me to be a professional researcher. I'm curious what your degrees are in, if the rest of us are "poorly educated"?
People -- particularly children and old people -- used to regularly die from today's common illnesses, including the flu. Now it's incredibly rare. People also used to die from illness that vaccines have eradicated.
People in 3rd World countries still get polio, which no one in your family has. Why do you think that is?
But of course, it's everyone else who's "poorly educated."8 -
My Doc does not advise them . A healthy diet and light exercise is the best medicine .4
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nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/August-2012/labor-unions-oppose-mandatory-flu-shots-as-ama-che.aspx
When doctors and nurses line up on their own free will to get flu shots each year then I think there will be more validity in getting flu shots. As long as the informed medical community has reasons to hesitate so will most others that weigh the pros and cons of the flu shots.
As one with an autoimmune disease and health care background I hear the pressure to get the flu shot each year.
To get or not get an annual flu shot is not backed up by concrete medical evidence.
https://cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm
"Does the flu vaccine work the same for everyone?
No......
In general, the flu vaccine works best among healthy adults and older children. Some older people and people with certain chronic illnesses might develop less immunity than healthy children and adults after vaccination."
As all can read if one is unhealthy and or very young we are not to expect as much protection.
As it stands today to get a flu shot or not is more of an emotional decision than a medical decision since there is no compelling medical evidence as what to do.
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