February 2017 Running Challenge
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+6.7 cold, icy miles = 33.6 miles total.
Today is a strength training day at the gym (no running).
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2/1 7.5
2/2 athletic conditioning class (60')
2/3 8.0
2/4 11.0
2/5 1.5 warm up + athletic conditioning class (60')
2/6 7.2 with 3' pickups
2/7 4.5 (hard) with 6x strength circuits
2/8 7.25
2/9 athletic conditioning class (60')
2/10 3.75 + 30' stair climber
2/11 3.6 + athletic conditioning class (60')
2/12 7.2
2/13 7.25
2/14 3.5 + 40' tabata class
2/15 6.0 (hard, with 6 X 3' pickups)
78.5/135
Going to get in about 4.5 plus my first "real" visit (30 mins scheduled) to the trainer for some weight/core work. Kind of nervous about it...1 -
BeeerRunner wrote: »Back to back half marathons?!? Has anyone done this and if so, were you able to race both all out or did you do one at a lower intensity?
I did 4 HM's on 4 back to back weekends. I even PR'ed the Knoxville one & again at the Bridge Street one. I earned my Jupiter moon in Half Fanatics because of it.
COVENANT HEALTH KNOXVILLE HALF MARATHON: Knoxville, TN - 29 March 2015 (Sunday 7:30 AM)
1:40:02, 7:38 pace, 115 OA, 10 AG, Bib 1186
http://www.knoxvillemarathon.com/Media_Center/Race_Results.cfm
OAK BARREL HALF MARATHON:
Lynchburg, TN - April 04, 2015 (Saturday 8:00AM)
1:44:13, 7:59 pace, 83 OA, 17 AG, Bib 1563
http://www.amatteroftiming.com/images/results/2015/oakbarrel.html
Bridge Street Town Center Half Marathon
Huntsville, AL - April 12, 2015 (Sunday 7 AM)
1:39:26, 7:35 pace, 54/1054 OA, 5/63 AG, Bib 1217
http://bridgestreethalfmarathon.com/2015-race-results-all/
Georgia Peach Jam Half Marathon
Cumming, GA - 18 April 2015 (Saturday 7:30 AM)
1:44:38, 7:59, 45 OA, 9 AG, Bib 1799
http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/1708498/26151541/1429382944203/Georgia+Peach+Jam+13.1+mi+results.htm?token=/wNbHRo7vXwc5w9VjFRa1H0Bke4=
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I also did a back to back weekend HM last year. I ended up PR'ing at both of them.
OAK BARREL HALF MARATHON:
Lynchburg, TN - April 02, 2016 (Saturday 8:00AM)
1:39:00 / 7:33 3-AG 47-OA
http://www.oakbarrelhalf.com/index.php/results
BRIDGE STREET TOWN CENTRE HALF MARATHON
Huntsville, AL - April 10, 2016 (Sunday)
1:36:33 / 7:22 3-AG 37-OA
http://www.huntsvilletrackclub.org/results/Misc/BSHM20162 -
@MobyCarp that was one of the best responses I've seen in these threads!
@Kawaiidesu808, I'll echo what @juliet3455 said...give trail running a try. I find trail running to be the best thing for me...far more interesting and challenging than pavement. Good for the body and good for the soul. And to echo what @orphia said, make sure you're not running to fast. Go slow enough so that you could carry on a conversation or sing a song without running out of breath. It's fine to push the pace every once in a while, but most of your running should be at we call "conversational pace".
My run last night wasn't too exciting. Just 5 easy, flat miles with Kody.
I agree with everything here and would have made the same points to include Moby's.
Lot's of smart runners on this thread.
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Thanks @Stoshew71 !! I'll go for the gusto on both! I know I won't PR on the 2nd race though. It's a trail race at night, but those aren't too big so I have a chance to win goodies by placing in my AG or possibly winning Masters, depending on who shows up. We'll see!!2
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2/1 6.3r 4.4w
2/2 5.2r 5.3w
2/3 0.0r 7.25w
2/4 7.0r 0.5w
2/5 4.2r 0.0w
2/6 5.1r 4.6w
2/7 5.05r 4.4w
2/8 10.0r 0.5w
2/9 0.0r 7.3w
2/10 5.2r 6.1w
2/11 7.5r 0.5w
2/12 4.65r 0.0w
2/13 7.1r 4.0w
2/14 6.3r 5.0w
2/15 5.2r 3.2w
Total so far = 78.8r + 57.35w = 136.15 miles
Medication update: My heart rate has gone down a little bit since I first started taking the Mirtazapine. My RHR s now back in the upper 40s. So that's a good thing.
Looking to have another 30+ mile week running this week. I've got tonight and Saturday still to run, and I'm hoping to average about 7 miles for each run.3 -
2/1 - cross-training - zumba
2/2 - 7 mile general aerobic run
2/3 - 6 mile general aerobic run
2/4 - cross-training - zumba/weights
2/5 - 9 mile long run
2/6 - rest
2/7 - 6 mile general aerobic run / cross-training - weights
2/8 - cross-training - zumba+7 min elliptical
2/9 - active rest - shoveling/walk
2/10 - 7 mile LT tempo run on the dreadmill
2/11 - 2.5 mile LT pace run to the gym / zumba / 3.5 mile general aerobic run home
2/12 - rest/some shoveling - snow day!
2/13 - 9 mile long run
2/14 - 7 mile general aerobic run / cross-training - weights
2/15 - cross-training - zumba + a little weighted ab work
2/16 - 8 mile general aerobic run w/8x100m strides
Total: 65/116
This was the longest run that's included speed work that I've done to date. And, of course, the strides ended up being into the wind, so a little bit of an extra challenge. Probably shouldn't have chosen this run as the inaugural run for the new shoes I just bought yesterday but it wasn't too terrible, lol. DOMS weren't as bad as I was anticipating once I got started.
I know I need to slow down my regular runs again. As I'm feeling gains in strength and cardiovascular endurance it's hard to stop myself from picking up the pace! But I need to keep reminding myself that running easy is important.
173 miles/2,017 miles - goal for the year
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@MobyCarp, @orphia, @juliet3455, @7lenny7, @Stoshew71 Thank you so much for all your helpful advice! I didn't expect to get so much help from people who are such successful and amazing long distance runners! I really admire what you do! Most runners that I talk to just tell me that it is either something that you like or you don't or that I just need to push through the pain to find the joy. But your advice really gives me hope and motivation that I will find a run style that I might actually enjoy! I am going to start looking for some fun run trails to try out this weekend! Thank you again!3
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I got an 8k this Saturday. Hoping for a 36 min or better finish. We'll see.1
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I was looking at my training plan, and from here on out, starting with Saturday's 15 mile, about 1/3 of my long runs will be automatic distance PR's. only real caveat will be if I get near the end and have to add 2 weeks in since I started early to give some wiggle room. Will have to have a back up plan figured out if that's the case.1
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Date :::: Miles :::: Feb MTD (goal = 70)
02/01/17 :::: 2.6 :::: 2.6
02/02/17 :::: 3.1 :::: 5.7
02/03/17 :::: 2.6 :::: 8.3
02/04/17 :::: 6.8 :::: 15.1
02/05/17 :::: 4.0 :::: 19.1
02/06/17 :::: 3.7 :::: 22.8
02/07/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 22.8
02/08/17 :::: 3.3 :::: 26.1
02/09/17 :::: 2.6 :::: 28.7
02/10/17 :::: 3.1 :::: 31.8
02/11/17 :::: 7.6 :::: 39.4
02/12/17 :::: 2.5 :::: 41.9
02/13/17 :::: 2.6 :::: 44.5
02/14/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 44.5
02/15/17 :::: 3.5 :::: 48.0
02/16/17 :::: 3.0 :::: 51.0
And, more of the same today. Snow, snow, snow. Treadmill, treadmill, treadmill, sandwiched by freezing cold dog walking. Tired. Of. It.2 -
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Date Distance Total To Goal (55)
2/1 3.0 Mi 3.0 52.0 Mi
2/2 Yoga
2/3 Rest
2/4 5.0 Mi 8.0. 47.0 Mi
2/5 Stretching and rest
2/6 3.0 Mi 11.0 44.0 MI
2/7 Rest
2/8 1.5 Mi 12.5 42.5 Mi
2/9 Rest (Insanity at work)
2/10 Rest
2/11 6.0 Mi 18.5 36.5 Mi
2/12 Travel day for hockey
2/13 3.0 Mi 21.5 33.5 Mi
2/16 4.0 Mi 25.5 29.5 Mi
Sore legs yesterday so took and extra day off and did my 4 on the treadmill at work. This is the first time in a long time I was able to do a mile non-stop so it felt really good. DS schedule for the weekend was changed and our first game was moved from 10:40 AM to 3:40 PM which helps tremendously with getting in my long run now. I will go take a tour of the quiet (I hope) Southfield Cemetery and see how it goes. Thank you to everyone who offered advice.
@7Lenny7 - You are absolutely right I do need to find a running group close to home. The only 2 that I know about are 30 - 40 minutes away from home which makes it very difficult to join but it is a work in progress.
@KatieJane83- LOVE the new shoes!
@OSUbuckeye906 - sounds like PT is progressing and Congrats on getting to increase your intervals.
@Orphia - Amazing post. Thank you for that reminder. I will try to use it next run.
@shanaber - Poor Hobbes. Neeko is the same way. It has been to cold to take him out on my shorter runs and he is going stir crazy. @katharmonic 's idea sound like just what we need, a doggie gym.
March 11- St Malachi 5 miler (partial course preview for Cleveland Half)
April 9 - Cleveland Towpath 5 miler (maybe)
May 20 - Cleveland Marathon 8K (Maybe)
May 21 - Cleveland Marathon Half
June 10 - Run and Ride Cedar Point 5k
June 11 - Run and Ride Cedar Point Half Marathon (Back up Plan) or Quarter Marathon
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February Running Totals (miles)
2/1 – 7.00 easy
2/2 – 2.63 easy shakedown run
2/3 – travel day, didn't get a run in
2/4 – 7.99 warm up on road + 8K cross country
2/5 – travel day, didn't get a run in
2/6 – travel day
2/7 – 9.26 warm up, speed work, cool down
2/8 – 7.02 group run
2/9 – 12.03 MP intervals
2/10 – rest day
2/11 – 18.63 paced run + solo miles
2/12 – 11.48 easy 90 minutes
2/13 – rest day
2/14 – 12.25 warm up, speed work, cool down
2/15 – 6.62 group run
2/16 – 10.05 easy with hills
February total to date – 104.96
Nominal Challenge Goal – 225 miles
Real Goals: Survive travel to and from Bend. Train well toward Boston. Avoid injury.
Today's notes – Today's notes are dedicated to @MNLittleFinn, as an example of adjusting the marathon training plan to fit circumstances.
Today's assigned workout was 2 miles easy; 2-4 x (1600 at T with 1 min. recovery); 8 x (200 at I with 200 recovery); 3 miles easy. The "2-4" is given to allow the trainee to decide on how much work to do based on his or her level of conditioning and current base mileage. My original plan was to do 2 of the 1600s, then see how I felt before deciding whether to do a 3rd and in no case attempt 4 intervals. For 2 of the 1600s, I estimated the workout would add up to a little over 9 miles.
I didn't do that workout.
This time of year, the club hold practice at Gordon Field House on RIT campus. There is a nice indoor 200m track there, and it becomes a discipline of running 200m in the target time to hold pace. But sometimes Gordon Field House is closed to us for a college event, and we shift to the upper track. The upper track isn't as nice. There are only 3 lanes. There is a rail on the inside lane that is easy to bump when rounding tight corners. It's an old track, and the surface is harder than a standard track. The curves are banked. It's okay for running easy or short workouts in a small group, but it's a pain for long workouts in a crowd of people running at different paces, with the inevitable clumps of walkers to dodge.
Tuesday I noted the sign on the door advising us that Gordon Field House would be closed for a ticketed event this evening. The rather long workout would move to the upper track. I thought about how to modify it for running on the road; I could do 2-4 x 1 mile at T instead of 1600m, close enough. The Garmin isn't accurate enough to break down to a 200m interval, so I'd have to either go by time, find something marked at that approximate distance, or omit the 8 x 200 at I. I didn't come to any firm conclusions about how to modify that part of the workout for the road.
The gripping hand is, I had a twinge in my right calf after Tuesday's hard speed work. It was still there yesterday, and I didn't get a good stretch in after yesterday's group run. So it was still there this morning. I don't know if it's just some normal calf tightness, or the beginning warning signs of possible Achilles tendinitis in the formerly healthier leg, or a random ache caused by my trick right foot that isn't important, or a random ache caused by my trick right foot that I need to do something about.
One of the listed causes of Achilles tendinitis is running too much, too hard with turns always the same direction. Sounds a lot like Tuesday's workout. And I recalled Coach saying we should have about 6% of our weekly mileage at I pace. This week I will run 62 miles. 4 of them were at I pace on Tuesday. That's a little over 6% already, and today's assignment would add another mile.
I decided the better part of valor was to substitute an easy run for today's assigned workout. I picked 10 miles because it approximates the length of the assigned workout, and 10 miles today will let me have a rest day tomorrow before running 22 miles on Saturday to come out to the target 62 miles for the week. That, and I have a standard 10 mile route from my house that I enjoy, with hills that are good training for Boston.
So I set out to run in the heat of the day at 2:30. 25º F (-4º C) with an alleged 15 mph WNW wind. Except by the time I got to the stretch of 2 miles headed south, it was a SW wind almost in my face. Then it shifted to be more of a W wind for the 2.5 mile stretch headed west. Near the end of that stretch, I noticed that the wind had shifted to have a northerly component. Shades of the old "uphill, into the north wind, both ways" line!
Fortunately, the northerly component stayed pretty minor. As I headed north, it was much more of a cross wind, and noticeable mostly at the top of the hills. That made mile 8 less challenging than I would have expected; topographically, mile 8 is the most challenging terrain on this route. The last two miles would have been quite relaxing, except I was beginning to experience some intestinal distress. I ended up running the last 2 miles more at MP than easy, mostly as a form of the classic rest room sprint.
Final stats came out to 10.05 miles in 1:18:01, for an average pace of 7:46 and the fastest pace on the last 2 miles. It kind of surprised me to see the first 8 mile splits hanging out in the fast end of my easy range; when I was running into that wind, it felt like I was running on tired legs. I made sure to do some good stretches and my cone touches afterward, and as I write this the twinge in my right calf is better than it was this morning. It will be easy to honor the rest day tomorrow, because I'm pretty solidly scheduled with non-running stuff.
At this point I think substituting an easy run for the quality workout was exactly the thing I needed to do. I just needed to get through a couple marathon training cycles to have the experience and confidence to do something like this proactively, instead of waiting till I make the calf worse then thinking I *should have* backed off.
Great Trite Truth of the day: There are no medals for a training run.
2017 races:
January 1, 2017 Freezeroo #2 (Resolution Run 7.5 mile) (Mendon, NY) Finished in 50:45
January 7, 2017 Winter Warrior Half Marathon (Gates, NY) Finished in 1:32:40
January 14, 2017 Freezeroo #3 (Pineway Ponds Park 5 mile) (Spencerport, NY) Finished in 33:42
January 28, 2017 Freezeroo #4 (Hearnish 5 mile) (Victor, NY) short course, finished 4.88 miles in 32:50
February 4, 2017 USATF Cross Country National Championship Masters 8K (Bend, OR) Finished in 35:39, team won the 60+ Men's cross country championship
February 11, 2017 Freezeroo #5 (Valentines Run "In Memory of Tom Brannon" 8 Mile) (Greece, NY) sat out due to training schedule
February 25, 2017 Freezeroo #6 (White House Challenge 4.4 mile) (Webster, NY)
March 11, 2017 Johnny's Runnin' of the Green 5 mile (Rochester, NY)
March 18, 2017 USATF Masters 8K Championship (Virginia Beach, VA)
April 17, 2017 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA)
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7---2.45 mile walk
10---same 2.45 mile walk
11---3.79 walk
16---3.00 walk
10.69/something
Maybe races
March 26th 2017 A2A 5k Ardmore, OK3 -
@MobyCarp great write up and thanks for tagging me. It was nice jumping right to that post and reading about modifying workouts.0
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9 km + Body Balance done today.1
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2/1 6.3r 4.4w
2/2 5.2r 5.3w
2/3 0.0r 7.25w
2/4 7.0r 0.5w
2/5 4.2r 0.0w
2/6 5.1r 4.6w
2/7 5.05r 4.4w
2/8 10.0r 0.5w
2/9 0.0r 7.3w
2/10 5.2r 6.1w
2/11 7.5r 0.5w
2/12 4.65r 0.0w
2/13 7.1r 4.0w
2/14 6.3r 5.0w
2/15 5.2r 3.2w
2/16 7.6r 5.6w
Total so far = 86.4r + 58.65w = 145.05 miles
New record today - 29,977 steps. No, I don't think I will take those 23 additional steps. I'm toast. I definitely need that rest day tomorrow.
Thinking it's time to order a new pair of shoes too. Looking at the New Balance 1080 v7. I've been doing well with New Balance, so why rock the boat.1 -
What the. I typed out a long post and it never showed up. Harumph.0
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2/1 6.3r 4.4w
2/2 5.2r 5.3w
2/3 0.0r 7.25w
2/4 7.0r 0.5w
2/5 4.2r 0.0w
2/6 5.1r 4.6w
2/7 5.05r 4.4w
2/8 10.0r 0.5w
2/9 0.0r 7.3w
2/10 5.2r 6.1w
2/11 7.5r 0.5w
2/12 4.65r 0.0w
2/13 7.1r 4.0w
2/14 6.3r 5.0w
2/15 5.2r 3.2w
2/16 7.6r 5.6w
Total so far = 86.4r + 58.65w = 145.05 miles
New record - 29,977 steps. No, I don't think I'll take those 23 more. I'm done. Definitely taking a rest day tomorrow.
I picked up some Sport Beans to try on my next long run. Whenever the next time I have two hours of daylight is, I'm going to try to push past 10 miles. Not by much, but I feel the need to get myself to HM distance eventually so I gotta work on getting past 10.3 -
2.13.17 - 9.9 m. 9:32 pace. Beautiful February Day.
2.14.17 - 5 m 8:30 pace.
2.16.17 - 11.2 m. TM. 8:25 pace.2 -
2/1/17----7.2miles
2/2/17----7.8miles
2/3/17----7.7miles
2/4/17----8.7miles
2/5/17----5.1miles
2/6/17----6.5miles
2/7/17----9.1miles
2/8/17----6.75miles
2/9/17----7.8miles
2/10/17----5.3miles
2/11/17----10.2miles
2/12/17----6.5miles
2/13/17----7.3miles
2/14/17----7.6miles
2/15/17----7.5miles
2/16/17----6.4miles
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@RespectTheKitty Good luck on adding mileage. I like the sport beans. I've been using them a while and often alternate between caffeinated and decaf. I do find its easier to put them in baggies. You can also adjust the quantity. Sometimes I'll just eat 7 to 10 at a time instead of a whole pack. I recently switched to gels heading into my race just because I have a hard time chewing and running. But if you aren't trying to go super fast, I like them and they taste a lot better than gels. I sometimes use them on 10 mile runs, but I definitely use them on 12+ mile runs. I take them around the 45 minute mark.0
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February goal: Lose 3 pounds
2/1: rest
2/2 3.16
2/3 3.60
2/4 busy
2/5 really busy
2/6 exhausted from being busy
2/7 4.02
2/8 snorkel 3.5 hours
2/9 4.10
2/10 3.45
2/11 rest
2/12 2.10 + core/strength training
2/13 3.45
2/14 rest
2/15 3.60
2/16 3.26
Total: 30.74
Ticker is my goal for 2017 and total to date:
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I had a wonderful run today in the middle of a very busy day! For the 1st time in a while, everything felt great. Since I just needed to get it done I made today's run a bit of a tempo run and was able to run negative splits! I followed it up tonight with a tough training session at the gym. I am pretty sure my trainer made it tough because he knows I will be gone for 2 weeks of business trips. I am hoping to get into the gym at the hotels though to get some workouts in!
@Elise4270, @ddmom0811 and @katharmonic - I think we should start a doggy gym with treadmills for both, hydro therapy pools for working out injuries (yours and your pup's) and strength classes for both. It would be so much fun!
Date........Miles........Total
02/01......4.63........4.63
02/02......0.00........4.63 - + Strength Training and Rally
02/03......2.35........6.98
02/04......0.00........6.98 - Race Expo
02/05....13.36......20.18 - Surf City HM
02/06......0.00......20.34
02/07......5.23......25.57 - + Strength Training
02/08......5.97......31.54
02/09......5.27......36.81 - + Strength Training and Rally
02/10......0.00......36.81
02/11......9.30......46.11
02/12......2.00......48.11 - Dog Beach Sunday!
02/13......5.00......53.11 - + Agility
02/14......4.42......57.53 - + Strength Training
02/15......0.00......57.53
02/16......4.39......61.92 - + Strength Training and Rally
My completed and upcoming Races - Let me know if you will be running too!
02/05/17 - Surf City Half Marathon
07/23/17 - San Francisco 1st Half Marathon6 -
Missed meeting my goal for the last 3 months. So shooting for a conservative 30 miles and I hope that I smoke it!
2/2....3.76 miles on the TM....sprints mixed with 4 minute recovery...average max heart rate at 88%. Attended Spinning class first...and then talked myself into running on the TM. I left work late and only got 5 hours of sleep, but still felt pretty good.
2/11....6 miles on the trail.Average pace 12:30...75 minutes. 66 degrees...beautiful day...but it started getting dark..ended my run in darkness.I feel really out of shape...I am amazed how quickly one can get reconditioned.
2/16....5.04 miles on the treadmill at 12 minute pace....average max heart rate at 88%.
Originally going to run on the trail for 6 miles before my mandatory meeting,but had not completely recovered from working an overtime night this week. So decided to go to the gym afterward. I found out when I got to the meeting that it was postponed to Friday....grr. I went to the gym and ran on the treadmill. I felt great after the first mile but my head wasn't in it.
I was doing a similar thing to what @orphia described...only she really takes it a lot farther. Mainly just doing a check-down...started with head (do I really want to be running? Can I get to a point where I run relaxed? ), then lungs (how am a breathing? Am I having trouble catching my breath? Can I continue at this pace?), then finally legs (sometimes they feel like wooden posts, other times like bricks, sometimes hamstrings hurt, sometimes left or right hip, or heel or ankle?) . I can usually tough it out, but, sometimes I cut it short or walk for a few seconds to recover my heart rate. Great post, by the way....I need to re-read and try to implement those tactics.
@skippygirlsmom So sorry to hear about your hip impingement....just awful esp. when you love to run so much. One of my mfp friends has the same problem...and he is trying therapy first....he is one of my most active friends...he hikes, swims, does Spinning, lifts weights....everything but run.
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@Shanaber wow, you know you just may have made someone millions with the idea that you can bring your well behaved 4 legged running partner to the gym! Whole new market there!
@BeeerRunner I haven't done HMs on back-to-back weekends, but I've done 10ks on back-to-back days (one Saturday afternoon, one Sunday morning). I raced the first one all out and ran the second one a minute slower. If you aren't to heartbroken if you don't set a new PR for the second one (especially if that one is trail and the first one is road), I don't think there is a problem with doing it.
@skippygirlsmom I'm so sorry to hear that, that really sucks! All those medical terms sound scary. I hope the worst-case estimate doesn't come true and it takes less time until you can run again.
Maybe you might actually start to enjoy another form or cardio in the mean time? Lastly, I'm starting to think I would like to cycle more (maybe do a 60km ride in May), but it's hard to find time for it with all the running. And yes, I still like running more, but cycling might make a decent second choice.@OSUbuckeye906 I sweat like crazy too. On that 20 mile run I lost 8 pounds and it was only 37F. I've had a sense that the conventional wisdom of plenty of hydration and electrolytes when running is overdone, then I came across an interview with Dr. Tim Noakes, author of "Waterlogged: The Serious Problem of Overhydration in Endurance Sports" and now I'm convinced of it. Drink to thirst and you'll be fine.
I think the longest runs I've done without water or food so far were around 23km, and that was perfectly fine. It probably wouldn't have been if it was really hot, or the first time I ran that distance, then some sweets for "extra energy" were welcome.
In winter I'm generally fine running without water. On the other hand, last summer I drank 1.5-2l water during the 20mi runs for my marathon training, along with 250g of honey/lemon juice/salt mix. Those runs were all in ~25°C(~80°F) weather, took me around 4 hours (disadvantage of being so slow ) and I'm not sure I would have finished them if I hadn't taken anything to drink&eat with me. I think the important part is figuring out when you actually need nutrition, rather than just swallowing gels every 30min because some magazine said that's what you need.
I'm not buying gels anymore in any case. They are horribly expensive (for little packages of sugar and artificial flavours), and I don't like how much garbage they produce. Especially when people just throw them away. I get really mad when I run a beautiful trail in the forest or mountains and come across empty gel packages on the ground. WTH people?! One day I want to catch one of those idiots that does that - all those times I picked up somebody else's sticky gross gel trash and had to carry it in my pocket for an hour until I came to the next trashcan, I had plenty of times to think about things to yell at them10
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