No need to eat 'clean'?
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AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal
Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
All 100% incorrect. I don't even know where to begin because that information is errant from start to finish, but the main fact which covers most of it is that there is no net storage of fat when in a caloric deficit. Period.
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
100% nonsense. Bloating from sodium or any other source can temporarily prevent weight loss. But it will not prevent FAT loss at all. It's just temporary water weight.10 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
All 100% incorrect. I don't even know where to begin because that information is errant from start to finish, but the main fact which covers most of it is that there is no net storage of fat when in a caloric deficit. Period.
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
Post your sources then, or it's BS. Your weight loss may be masked to some degree by the water retention from sodium intake, but sodium does not otherwise cause fat/weight gain unless you're eating it to the point of a caloric surplus. THAT'S 100% fact.9 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
All 100% incorrect. I don't even know where to begin because that information is errant from start to finish, but the main fact which covers most of it is that there is no net storage of fat when in a caloric deficit. Period.
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
Some on the Keto diet have high sodium in order to balance electrolytes. They lose just fine.6 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
This is nonsense. Pure, unadulterated nonsense. Any effect that sodium might have on energy balance is minimal compared to, say, not counting a single spoonful of sugar a day.
Sodium may definitely create issues for measurable short term loss... because you can retain more water. So that 5lbs of fat you lost in 3 weeks mightn't show on the scale because the water weight masks it. But you'll be leaner, and all that extra water weight is going to be pretty minimal when it comes to keeping up the same regime for the next 13 weeks.
I eat a diet extremely high in sodium, I eat way too much salt on anything. I'm probably retaining an extra 5lbs of water that I could drop next week if I cut it out, but I am losing fat quickly and easily because I'm in a sizeable caloric deficit.8 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
All 100% incorrect. I don't even know where to begin because that information is errant from start to finish, but the main fact which covers most of it is that there is no net storage of fat when in a caloric deficit. Period.
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
100% nonsense. Bloating from sodium or any other source can temporarily prevent weight loss. But it will not prevent FAT loss at all. It's just temporary water weight.
100% agreed, however, if your diet consistently consists of high sodium diet you will not be able to see your diet efforts working because you will be in a perpetual water retention state which is not optimal for the body and not condusive to seeing results.1 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »100% agreed, however, if your diet consistently consists of high sodium diet you will not be able to see your diet efforts working because you will be in a perpetual water retention state which is not optimal for the body and not condusive to seeing results.
Maybe if you have 5lbs of fat to lose. But you're not going to maintain anything resembling obesity or even being overweight if you maintain a deficit long enough, just because you're eating too much sodium.
But in that case (you have 5lbs fat to lose that your water retention is hiding), every time you want your efforts visible, you can just drink 500mls of whiskey, and hey presto! The next morning...6 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
All 100% incorrect. I don't even know where to begin because that information is errant from start to finish, but the main fact which covers most of it is that there is no net storage of fat when in a caloric deficit. Period.
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
100% nonsense. Bloating from sodium or any other source can temporarily prevent weight loss. But it will not prevent FAT loss at all. It's just temporary water weight.
100% agreed, however, if your diet consistently consists of high sodium diet you will not be able to see your diet efforts working because you will be in a perpetual water retention state which is not optimal for the body and not condusive to seeing results.
No. You won't continue to gain water weight until you are a huge water filled blimp. Even with a high sodium diet your water will at some point stabilize and if you are eating at a calorie deficit you'll lose fat and eventually lose weight. And eating a high sodium diet is no guarantee that you'll gain water weight. It's just a possibility. If you are sweating a lot from heat or exercise your body may well need a bit more sodium.10 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
All 100% incorrect. I don't even know where to begin because that information is errant from start to finish, but the main fact which covers most of it is that there is no net storage of fat when in a caloric deficit. Period.
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
100% nonsense. Bloating from sodium or any other source can temporarily prevent weight loss. But it will not prevent FAT loss at all. It's just temporary water weight.
100% agreed, however, if your diet consistently consists of high sodium diet you will not be able to see your diet efforts working because you will be in a perpetual water retention state which is not optimal for the body and not condusive to seeing results.
No. You won't continue to gain water weight until you are a huge water filled blimp. Even with a high sodium diet your water will at some point stabilize and if you are eating at a calorie deficit you'll lose fat and eventually lose weight. And eating a high sodium diet is no guarantee that you'll gain water weight. It's just a possibility. If you are sweating a lot from heat or exercise your body may well need a bit more sodium.
I appreciate your comments. How does the sodium content stabalize when you continue to consume salt?0 -
I cant lol I actually just can't. Someone else try12
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AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
One may as well say that periods, and not being hungover means that you cannot stay within your calorie count and still lose weight because of water retention.
It's one of those absurdities that is so misguided it could be called "not EVEN wrong"0 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
I appreciate your comments. How does the sodium content stabalize when you continue to consume salt?
The WATER content stabilizes.
How?
Peeing. (and sweating). Etc.6 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
All 100% incorrect. I don't even know where to begin because that information is errant from start to finish, but the main fact which covers most of it is that there is no net storage of fat when in a caloric deficit. Period.
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
Yes, they can. Those on low carb consume higher amounts of sodium. Sodium causes fluid retention, yes, but it will not prevent fat loss.
Other electrolytes (calcium, magnesium, potassium) can balance high sodium. And..... water.3 -
comeonnow142857 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
One may as well say that periods, and not being hungover means that you cannot stay within your calorie count and still lose weight because of water retention.
It's one of those absurdities that is so misguided it could be called "not EVEN wrong"
We're talking about perpetual states of SODIUM consumption. Periods and being a hungover are completely different and are point in time states.0 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
All 100% incorrect. I don't even know where to begin because that information is errant from start to finish, but the main fact which covers most of it is that there is no net storage of fat when in a caloric deficit. Period.
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
100% nonsense. Bloating from sodium or any other source can temporarily prevent weight loss. But it will not prevent FAT loss at all. It's just temporary water weight.
100% agreed, however, if your diet consistently consists of high sodium diet you will not be able to see your diet efforts working because you will be in a perpetual water retention state which is not optimal for the body and not condusive to seeing results.
No. You won't continue to gain water weight until you are a huge water filled blimp. Even with a high sodium diet your water will at some point stabilize and if you are eating at a calorie deficit you'll lose fat and eventually lose weight. And eating a high sodium diet is no guarantee that you'll gain water weight. It's just a possibility. If you are sweating a lot from heat or exercise your body may well need a bit more sodium.
I appreciate your comments. How does the sodium content stabalize when you continue to consume salt?
The body excretes excess sodium through urination, perspiration, etc.
The human body is not a closed system like a balloon, which would just keep blowing up if you kept adding air to it. Google "homeostasis" for starters - the body will always seek to equalize itself and has wonderfully, awesomely sophisticated means of doing so.6 -
Sodium is one marker I overshoot almost every day. I'm thinking that my weight-loss is probably due to
1) I haven't made any sweeping changes to the kinds of foods I eat, meaning that I was probably also eating high-sodium before I started MFP too. I'm just more aware.
2) My sodium intake might have decreased a bit since I've reduced the mindless snacking on the kinds of foods I eat. (One or two pieces of string cheese in a day instead of four, for example.)
3) Calorie deficit
4) Making sure to get some sort of exercise in daily, which ties into deficit.0 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »We're talking about perpetual states of SODIUM consumption. Periods and being a hungover are completely different and are point in time states.
No, that's also nonsense. They're all point in time states - some states are just longer than others. And those who read more carefully would notice I specified NOT being hungover, which is hopefully a longer term state than the alternative.
We're still talking about how the notion of a few pounds of water retention means that you cannot stay within your calorie count and still lose weight is absolutely preposterous (with the rare exception of people who are trying to drop a very tiny and highly specific amount of weight).
Eating carbs. Eating high sodium. NOT being hungover. (And some women retain water for half a month). All long term states which don't make it hard to lose weight, but might make a very small amount of fat loss in the broader scheme of things, invisible on the scale.
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AntoinetteAngus wrote: »comeonnow142857 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
One may as well say that periods, and not being hungover means that you cannot stay within your calorie count and still lose weight because of water retention.
It's one of those absurdities that is so misguided it could be called "not EVEN wrong"
We're talking about perpetual states of SODIUM consumption. Periods and being a hungover are completely different and are point in time states.
I go over MFP's sodium goals almost every single day, sometimes by a considerable amount. Sometimes double those sodium goals. I've lost 62 pounds so far (and my blood pressure has dropped considerably as well). My n=1 says it IS possible, because I'm doing it.4 -
comeonnow142857 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
I appreciate your comments. How does the sodium content stabalize when you continue to consume salt?
The WATER content stabilizes.
How?
Peeing. (and sweating). Etc.
I appreciate your reply, but if you are in the category where you are consuming WELL ABOVE the recommended requirements the salt won't get eliminated as it should based on the typical water consumption and the amount of sweat that gets eliminated from the body.0 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
All 100% incorrect. I don't even know where to begin because that information is errant from start to finish, but the main fact which covers most of it is that there is no net storage of fat when in a caloric deficit. Period.
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.
Well... I hate to be contrary, but...
As you can see, most days I'm significantly over. And I've been losing consistently. Since October 31st, I've dropped 41 lbs, despite the sodium.11 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »comeonnow142857 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
I appreciate your comments. How does the sodium content stabalize when you continue to consume salt?
The WATER content stabilizes.
How?
Peeing. (and sweating). Etc.
I appreciate your reply, but if you are in the category where you are consuming WELL ABOVE the recommended requirements the salt won't get eliminated as it should based on the typical water consumption and the amount of sweat that gets eliminated from the body.
Cite your sources.3 -
Salt has zero calories7
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AntoinetteAngus wrote: »I appreciate your reply, but if you are in the category where you are consuming WELL ABOVE the recommended requirements the salt won't get eliminated as it should based on the typical water consumption and the amount of sweat that gets eliminated from the body.
Not as it should perhaps, you still won't retain enough water to mask all but short term or relatively small and inconsequential amounts of fat loss, which we've already been through.
I don't know where you think my salt is going, but going from 234lbs to 197lbs in 4 months is definitely minimally affected by wherever that is - whether I am retaining more or less water than when I started.4 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »
Well... I hate to be contrary, but...
As you can see, most days I'm significantly over. And I've been losing consistently. Since October 31st, I've dropped 41 lbs, despite the sodium.
Oh dear I'm eating a lot more sodium than that!
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And dropped more weight too!
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I knew this girl once who would come back from long runs in the summer with salt lines on her face from the sweat and would take a swig of pickle juice straight out of the jar.
Oh wait. That was me. Still lost weight!
Even now my sodium intake is bordering on obscene. Still losing weight. Still love pickles.9 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
While the sodium derailed the thread, it is astonishing how wrong this post is in every single other respect.
I would also like to point out that in the only sense that the terms might have any coherent meaning that relate to reality, if your body doesn't "recognize" or "process" any food, it will simply poop it out.
So if this was true about the relative processing of foods, natural foods would lead to more likelihood of fat storage, as the calories will actually be efficiently processed by the body. If calories are somehow not recognized/processed, they just leave via rear exit.7 -
I don't understand what a "clean" diet is versus a "dirty" diet. Clean diet from my understanding is organic and chemically and hormone free fruits, veggies, meat and dairy. I never thought of it as "healthy food" versus "junk food". People who can afford to eat nothing but organic and sustainable food products more power to them but I don't think it really impacts weight loss. You don't have to eat "clean" in order to maintain a calorie deficit.
Now if you're talking healthy versus junk or to me more specifically wholefoods versus processed foods. Maintaining a diet that consists of mostly wholefoods (organic or not, fresh, frozen, pickled or canned) instead eating mostly processed food stuffs (whatever you want to consider that, cheese whiz comes to mind) I say I FEEL a lot better when my diet is nutritionally sound. When I eat a lot of junk I tend to feel like crap. When I eat naturally nutritious food I have energy, I feel more satiated, my hair, skin and nails look great, my body looks properly proportioned and I generally don't feel bloated. It's my preferred choice to eat this way because when I made the decision to change the way I eat I experienced a huge difference.
In end it comes to balance. When I consciously eat a nutritionally balanced diet indulging occasionally in processed food stuff and other treats doesn't have such an impact. The important thing that I learned very quickly is that I need to enjoy whatever it is I eat and a lot of people have a hard time wrapping their mind around the concept that nutritious wholefoods can actually taste good, but they really can!0 -
I don't understand what a "clean" diet is versus a "dirty" diet.
Washing your foodNow if your talking healthy versus junk or to me more specifically wholefoods versus processed foods. Maintaining a diet that consists of mostly wholefoods (be the organic or not, fresh, frozen, pickled or canned) instead eating mostly processed food stuffs (whatever you want to consider that, cheese whiz comes to mind) I say I FEEL a lot better when my diet is nutritionally sound. When I eat a lot of junk I tend to feel like crap. When I eat naturally nutritious food I have energy, I feel more satiated, my hair, skin and nails look great, my body looks properly proportioned and I generally don't feel bloated. It's my preferred choice to eat this way because when I made the decision to change the way I eat I experienced a huge difference.
How about a diet that is hugely dense and nutritious at its core but leaves plenty of calorie room for a lot of "junk"?
I agree that 2,000 cals of classically "clean" stereotyped wholefoods leaves me feeling way better (energy, satiety, skin, all that) than 2,000 calories of nutritionally lacking junk, but 1,000 of the most nutritionally dense calories I can muster, well, if I do have a few days where the other 1,000 calories is processed nonsense bereft of nutrients, my body feels exactly the same as the former option, except my life is slightly more delicious. It's still an overall nutritionally sound diet. Context is everything.
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I don't understand what a "clean" diet is versus a "dirty" diet...
Nor does anybody else, which is why these kinds of threads go off the rails every time. It's a nebulous, subjective phrase totally open to personal preferences/biases. And many "definitions" completely ignore any reasonable concept of context and dosage.
Ask a keto dieter what a "clean" diet is. Then ask a vegetarian. Then a vegan. Then a paleo dieter. And so on. Every single one of them will have a different definition of "clean" and "dirty" diet.3 -
comeonnow142857 wrote: »
How about a diet that is hugely dense and nutritious at its core but leaves plenty of calorie room for a lot of "junk"?
I agree that 2,000 cals of classically "clean" stereotyped wholefoods leaves me feeling way better (energy, satiety, skin, all that) than 2,000 calories of nutritionally lacking junk, but 1,000 of the most nutritionally dense calories I can muster, well, if I do have a few days where the other 1,000 calories is processed nonsense bereft of nutrients, my body feels exactly the same as the former option, except my life is slightly more delicious. It's still an overall nutritionally sound diet. Context is everything.
Unfortunately I don't have the benefit of having lots of calories to eat junk but if I did I'd eat more nuts rather than potato chips. I'm not actually able to eat much more than one serving of nuts a day which saddens me because I love them - almonds, cashews, walnuts, peanuts, sunflower seeds, you name it. I'm nuts for nuts but they are very hard to fit into my calorie deficit goal. When I reach my goal and get to eat more calories on maintenance then I will eat more nuts, sometimes ice cream, but definitely more nuts and perhaps an extra glass of wine
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