Looking for friends who don't eat "clean" and healthy
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ConnieT1030 wrote: »I started using mustard instead of mayo on sandwiches but forgot last time I got a sub, and of course they do that slather on thing before you can even say stop- go easy- or whatever.
I hate that! They'll give me three measly slices of cucumber and half a slice of green pepper, but pour on more sauce than one sandwich can really handle? Give me more veggies!!2 -
i was trying to research the alcohol/calorie thing a few months ago when my mom told me vodka had no calories. So for hard liquor, it technically doesn't have calories, but it has alcohol sugars that your body has to process. So, what I surmise is that your body has to stop digesting food OR burning fat when it turns its attention to processing the alcohol sugar. This is why a vodka soda is "okay" on low carb diets, because it doesn't have calories. It does, however, slow weight loss. Especially if you're having them daily. And of course, alcohol can lead to late night eating, and as much as i love my filthy food, i gain weight when i eat late.
Can you post your sources, because there are many very, VERY poor sources on the internet.
There is no such thing as alcohol sugar. There are sugar alcohols, which are low calorie sweeteners which are partially digested to varying degrees.
Per the USDA, alcohol has 7 calories per gram.
Ethanol is metabolized to acetaldehyde => acetic acid => acetyl-CoA, where is then is oxidized for energy via the Krebs cycle, the same cycle where carbohydrates, fats, and proteins are eventually oxidized for energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti81HUegslg 4 -
Verity1111 wrote: »I just didn't realize wine had such a low alcohol content.
I drink a light (4%) wine at the Passover seder, but there's good reason for that.- The guidelines state that you should drink 4 glasses (@ minimum 3.5 oz each) during the course of the evening. Two before the main meal, two after it. If you want to have more with, that's up to you.
- You are expected to come to the seder hungry. No substantial food after... mid-afternoon with the main meal probably starting around 10PM, give or take.
- The first glass of wine starts the seder around 8PM (give or take. We start when those who went to synagogue come back from evening services. 7:30, 8... w/e). I.E. it is taken on a pretty empty stomach.
- The second glass is taken maybe 45 minutes later. Only intervening food: a piece of vegetable dipped in salt water (in my parents' house, a 1" cube of boiled potato.)
- Guidelines state that if someone can't drink all four glasses, they should at least have the first one and then they can switch to grape juice. Yeah, the one you take on an empty stomach.
- Guidelines further state that if even the one glass will make you ill, go ahead and have grape juice, but wine is preferable
- If I have the first glass on an empty stomach, within about 15-20 minutes, I experience cramps and sweating and have to lie down. It passes in about 20 minutes, but it's a very unpleasant 20 minutes.
- Trying the 4% was my last-ditch "either this works and I'll have this from now on or I can truthfully say I did my best and it's grape juice for me from here on in" attempt. And since I can actually tolerate it... 4% it is.
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ConnieT1030 wrote: »NoirePanda811 wrote: »Feel free to add me. My goal is to stay under my calorie limit and eat healthy things when I can afford it. For example, why the heck is a chicken sandwhich only $3.35 at Chickfila while the salad is $7-8?! My wallet cringes everytime I buy one.
You know what grinds my gears? used to be at Subway, you could turn any sub into a sald, same price. After all, they were saving the cost of the bread! But now, if you want a salad instead, it TWO DOLLARS more to SKIP the bread!! Im like whaaaaa?! My husband said "they are paying for the container" ... you mean that flimsy 15 cent piece of plastic? Pfft, just sticking it to people who want to have less (calories/carbs/bread whatever).. Makes me sooo mad I just eat the sub!
That's just jumping on the low-carb bandwagon for extra profit! I never wanted their salads anyway, too much lettuce.
I'll just have a 6" sub and skip the mayo (I started getting mustard instead), but I usually still have cheese. I can get a satisfying lunch for less than 400 calories, so I'm happy with that!
(Edit - next time we go there I'll have to check their prices for salads, see if it's different in Canada. Maybe there hasn't been any bandwagon-jumping yet!)
Same extra charge here in Ontario so I would assume it's across Canada too.1 -
i was trying to research the alcohol/calorie thing a few months ago when my mom told me vodka had no calories. So for hard liquor, it technically doesn't have calories, but it has alcohol sugars that your body has to process. So, what I surmise is that your body has to stop digesting food OR burning fat when it turns its attention to processing the alcohol sugar. This is why a vodka soda is "okay" on low carb diets, because it doesn't have calories. It does, however, slow weight loss. Especially if you're having them daily. And of course, alcohol can lead to late night eating, and as much as i love my filthy food, i gain weight when i eat late.
Actually vodka and soda is good for low carb diets because it doesn't have any carbs..not because it doesn't have any calories. Rum, vodka, whiskey...as long as they are unflavored (and even some if the flavoured ones)...do not have carbs unlike beer. But they all still do have calories.2 -
I went to CA this weekend to wedding dress shop with my sister and mom, and I got to see my BFF as well! Obviously much good food was had; but the only picture I have of any of it if from Bucca di Beppo when I ordered dessert not realizing it was QUITE so large... That's my momm a by the way
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Illy_Mooncat wrote: »I went to CA this weekend to wedding dress shop with my sister and mom, and I got to see my BFF as well! Obviously much good food was had; but the only picture I have of any of it if from Bucca di Beppo when I ordered dessert not realizing it was QUITE so large... That's my momm a by the way
I want to eat that. Right now.4 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »i was trying to research the alcohol/calorie thing a few months ago when my mom told me vodka had no calories. So for hard liquor, it technically doesn't have calories, but it has alcohol sugars that your body has to process. So, what I surmise is that your body has to stop digesting food OR burning fat when it turns its attention to processing the alcohol sugar. This is why a vodka soda is "okay" on low carb diets, because it doesn't have calories. It does, however, slow weight loss. Especially if you're having them daily. And of course, alcohol can lead to late night eating, and as much as i love my filthy food, i gain weight when i eat late.
Can you post your sources, because there are many very, VERY poor sources on the internet.
There is no such thing as alcohol sugar. There are sugar alcohols, which are low calorie sweeteners which are partially digested to varying degrees.
Per the USDA, alcohol has 7 calories per gram.
Ethanol is metabolized to acetaldehyde => acetic acid => acetyl-CoA, where is then is oxidized for energy via the Krebs cycle, the same cycle where carbohydrates, fats, and proteins are eventually oxidized for energy.
Thank you, appreciate this!
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omg, I think I have found my people. This is the best thread!4
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ConnieT1030 wrote: »I started using mustard instead of mayo on sandwiches but forgot last time I got a sub, and of course they do that slather on thing before you can even say stop- go easy- or whatever.
I hate that! They'll give me three measly slices of cucumber and half a slice of green pepper, but pour on more sauce than one sandwich can really handle? Give me more veggies!!
I disagree! I want more mayo om nom nom lol I always get light mayo + chipotle sauce. Worth the calories. So good!0 -
Also, I REALLY want that brownie sundae. I LOVE brownie sundaes...1
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I don't think anyone eats "clean" all the time in our modern society. Who doesn't want a Dorito or a Pepsi once in a while?!2
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I'm the same way. While I still try to make healthier choices and stay within my calorie goals I still eat whatever I want. Anyone feel free to add me sadly most of my friends list has stagnated over the past year but I love making the journey with people! Don't be surprised if one day you see tons of veggies and a shake and another day Korean fried chicken and rice cakes!3
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i'm trying to keep it health-ish, but i love food, beer and cocktails and trying new restaurants and bars, especially when i travel. i really want to find a balance between the things that bring me pleasure & passion in life and feeling good and staying healthy. i don't think i could ever do the kale-pile-every-day-havent-seen-a-carb-in-a-decade thing that seems to be de rigeur. i'd honestly rather just crawl into a casket and shut the door behind me.1
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lapesadilla wrote: »i'm trying to keep it health-ish, but i love food, beer and cocktails and trying new restaurants and bars, especially when i travel. i really want to find a balance between the things that bring me pleasure & passion in life and feeling good and staying healthy. i don't think i could ever do the kale-pile-every-day-havent-seen-a-carb-in-a-decade thing that seems to be de rigeur. i'd honestly rather just crawl into a casket and shut the door behind me.
That casket would start getting pretty crowded
(I'd be right in there as well).
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Is it ok if I eat both healthy and unhealthy? :P3
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Mmmm Food. Me. love. food. That is all... carry on.
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I love junk. And frequently at the weekends, part of my calorie goal is made up by slimline gin and tonics...4
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Is it ok if I eat both healthy and unhealthy? :P
Speaking for myself (and my diary is open; feel free to check it out), I eat mostly healthy. Not "clean". I eat a number of packaged and frozen processed foods. We're talking about stuff like veggie dogs and Gardein. Greek yogurt is a breakfast staple. And, although I give them a perfunctory rinse, plenty of canned beans and other vegetables.
Mostly, I've embraced the wisdom that 'The more foods you like you eliminate while losing weight, the less likely you are to maintain that weight'. So what does that mean in practice for me?
It means I haven't eliminated any food completely from my diet.
There are foods I'll have almost every day (mostly healthy choices, though your mileage may vary with some of my choices. I generally log at least 1 tbsp of vegan sour cream a day. And plenty of string cheese and veggie dogs.)
There are once-a-week foods, like the frosted cookie and 2 pieces of potato kugel I have after synagogue on Saturday. I can't keep that stuff in my house without nibbling or feeling tempted to. But I can have some once a week at a buffet and then go home.
There are occasional foods that aren't quite as once-in-a-while as I'd like to think. I have a decent-sized family. They all have birthdays. Family dinners. Holiday dinners. And I will work with my calories, using some combination of lighter meals, fewer snacks, more exercise, to make sure that I can have a piece of birthday cake, or a couple of potato latkes, or a handful of jelly beans and a bowl of ice cream, and not go over my calories.
Going out to a restaurant falls in with the last paragraph, too. I need to plan for those meals and I'll check the menu ahead of time to identify healthier, lower-calorie options. Here... is where I have eliminated certain foods. Not because they're inherently bad, but because the portion I get won't be a moderate one, I'm not good at leaving food over on my plate, and I find that restaurant food doesn't taste nearly as good if I take half of it home in a to-go box to eat during the week. So, if I make potato gnocchi in tomato sauce, using the recipe builder, I know the calories for 1/4 of a recipe and I'll eat and log it, no problem at all. I order the same dish in a restaurant and it's likely to be a calorie bomb and easily twice the size of my regular serving. So I don't order the gnocchi; I have soup and a substantial salad. Or I have a personal pizza, because there are enough details about personal pizzas in the MFP database that I can approximate the calories, even if there's a greater margin for error.
There are foods I don't buy anymore because right here, right now, at this point, I don't have confidence that I can hold myself to a moderate portion. But I don't consider these to be "bad" foods I need to cut out of my diet. I consider them to be "good" foods... a little too good... that I'm taking a break from. Still might have them out as an occasional food.
I don't have cheat meals. I don't go over my calories (MFP allotment plus 50% of exercise). I log everything. And if I see that I have the calories for something a little less 'healthy', I log it, see that it doesn't put me over for the day, tell myself that "A treat is not a cheat"... and see my weight keep dropping.8 -
jessiferrrb wrote: »alcohol definitely has calories, it's true that the body processes alcohol before moving on to other things though. but you can get a calorie count for it and treat it like any other macro that you account for.
the wine with 0 calories was a hypothetical. like if wine had 0 calories i would hypothetically be drinking a lot more of it.
yes wine and beer have calories, they have actual sugar in them still, it's not all distilled out. i was talking about hard liquor. i couldn't find an accurate calorie count for it. in my research online, i found out that vodka/rum/etc does not actually have calories. i see people on MFP enter calories for hard liquor but i can't find the basis for this.
i use the USDA food search to verify calories for most foods, and it has distilled spirits there too. so i go with that
https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/4158?fgcd=&manu=&lfacet=&format=&count=&max=50&offset=&sort=default&order=asc&qlookup=vodka&ds=&qt=&qp=&qa=&qn=&q=&ing=
i've never heard that alcohol doesn't have calories, but i've heard the 'empty calories' argument like a bajillion times, for me they're not empty, they're full of fun. i also don't tend to binge eat when drinking, i'm the opposite, i am totally turned off by food once i have a buzz going. i think it's equally problematic in its own way but it balances out the calories.
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estherdragonbat wrote: »Is it ok if I eat both healthy and unhealthy? :P
Speaking for myself (and my diary is open; feel free to check it out), I eat mostly healthy. Not "clean". I eat a number of packaged and frozen processed foods. We're talking about stuff like veggie dogs and Gardein. Greek yogurt is a breakfast staple. And, although I give them a perfunctory rinse, plenty of canned beans and other vegetables.
Mostly, I've embraced the wisdom that 'The more foods you like you eliminate while losing weight, the less likely you are to maintain that weight'. So what does that mean in practice for me?
It means I haven't eliminated any food completely from my diet.
There are foods I'll have almost every day (mostly healthy choices, though your mileage may vary with some of my choices. I generally log at least 1 tbsp of vegan sour cream a day. And plenty of string cheese and veggie dogs.)
There are once-a-week foods, like the frosted cookie and 2 pieces of potato kugel I have after synagogue on Saturday. I can't keep that stuff in my house without nibbling or feeling tempted to. But I can have some once a week at a buffet and then go home.
There are occasional foods that aren't quite as once-in-a-while as I'd like to think. I have a decent-sized family. They all have birthdays. Family dinners. Holiday dinners. And I will work with my calories, using some combination of lighter meals, fewer snacks, more exercise, to make sure that I can have a piece of birthday cake, or a couple of potato latkes, or a handful of jelly beans and a bowl of ice cream, and not go over my calories.
Going out to a restaurant falls in with the last paragraph, too. I need to plan for those meals and I'll check the menu ahead of time to identify healthier, lower-calorie options. Here... is where I have eliminated certain foods. Not because they're inherently bad, but because the portion I get won't be a moderate one, I'm not good at leaving food over on my plate, and I find that restaurant food doesn't taste nearly as good if I take half of it home in a to-go box to eat during the week. So, if I make potato gnocchi in tomato sauce, using the recipe builder, I know the calories for 1/4 of a recipe and I'll eat and log it, no problem at all. I order the same dish in a restaurant and it's likely to be a calorie bomb and easily twice the size of my regular serving. So I don't order the gnocchi; I have soup and a substantial salad. Or I have a personal pizza, because there are enough details about personal pizzas in the MFP database that I can approximate the calories, even if there's a greater margin for error.
There are foods I don't buy anymore because right here, right now, at this point, I don't have confidence that I can hold myself to a moderate portion. But I don't consider these to be "bad" foods I need to cut out of my diet. I consider them to be "good" foods... a little too good... that I'm taking a break from. Still might have them out as an occasional food.
I don't have cheat meals. I don't go over my calories (MFP allotment plus 50% of exercise). I log everything. And if I see that I have the calories for something a little less 'healthy', I log it, see that it doesn't put me over for the day, tell myself that "A treat is not a cheat"... and see my weight keep dropping.
*applauds* Very well put. I was going to write something similar but then I saw that you had this covered way better than I would have done. 2 -
Working at home today, which means I deviate from my pre-prepped lunches. Seriously the most amazing lunch I've had in months: 1/2 cup green chili, corn tortilla chips, a small tamale, and my roasted green bean recipe from dinner leftovers.
Seriously this is so delicious and satisfying.5 -
fitoverfortymom wrote: »Working at home today, which means I deviate from my pre-prepped lunches. Seriously the most amazing lunch I've had in months: 1/2 cup green chili, corn tortilla chips, a small tamale, and my roasted green bean recipe from dinner leftovers.
Seriously this is so delicious and satisfying.
I'm as green as the spinach in the mixed green salad with turkey I had for lunch today 1 -
fitoverfortymom wrote: »Working at home today, which means I deviate from my pre-prepped lunches. Seriously the most amazing lunch I've had in months: 1/2 cup green chili, corn tortilla chips, a small tamale, and my roasted green bean recipe from dinner leftovers.
Seriously this is so delicious and satisfying.
I'm as green as the spinach in the mixed green salad with turkey I had for lunch today
Most days lunch for me is about the same. Grilled chicken or fish, a veg, a fruit, and a mini bagel. On days I work from home, I make it yummier.
I might have the same thing for dinner tonight since it looks like I've escaped cooking for everyone!3 -
true confession: my friends who are staying with me while thier house is tented cooked me dinner last night. i've never had spaghetti squash before but goddamn is it delicious with moroccan spices. also on the menu was grilled salmon with fresh dill and caramelized leeks and carrots. would i be a terrible person if i sabotaged their house tenting so they make me more dinners?3
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I have been a "good" girl so far today. Too good in fact. So, dinner is going to be Pepperoni Bagel Bites (9 of them), french fries (4 oz. of them) and probably a Reese's Peanut Butter Egg for dessert. Depending on that, I may even do a line of peeps.
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I'm thinkin buffalo chicken and bleu cheese tonight...But what to put it in. Tortilla? Decisions...2
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I definitely do not eat clean, haha. Just after having a cheeseburger with chips and a chocolate cake3
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Not gonna read through 39 pages... Did somebody already say IIFYM?1
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